NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5

[dobrojim]

Devin Booker is a better player than Bradley Beal.

Booker clearly has better teammates. And coaching. All hail PGC’s
Monty Williams.

Pride of Oxon Hill, Maryland. Although I went to rival Friendly HS, Where I grew up in Fort Washington used to be called Oxon Hill, Maryland,

I remember when they changed the ZIP Code from 20022 to 20744.

Personal note - I lived in Oxon Hill near Fort Foote for two school
years as a child (4-5th grade). My father then got a job in Reston
which ironically only last a year or two after we moved over there.
Ironic because he later ended up working in Suitland for many years.

[dobrojim]

Check this out. They are crucifying Ben Simmons on the General Board.

Westbrook?

Ben Simmons and Mike Scott for Westbrook works in the trade machine.

PHL does have a Simmons problem given he’s second highest paid player
and he’s such an offensive liability, at least when it comes to shooting the
ball, obviously an important offensive skill. It’s hard to understand how such
an otherwise great athlete cannot shoot. I’m not a JK fan and he shouldn’t have
open his yap but Simmons is no longer overrated. Could humility, hard work
and a great shooting coach ever fix that? He’s already had time to address
the issue.

[nate33]

I would trade Westbrook for Simmons in a New York minute. Wizards would probably have to sweeten that one though.

Westbrook + Avdija for Simmons + Hill works.

Leaves us with:
PG Hill/#15 pick (Butler?)
SG Beal/Mathews
SF Simmons/Bertans
PF Hachimura/Bertans
C Bryant/Gafford

At #15, we draft Giddey, Butler or Cooper. Butler is probably the best fit with his shooting and D. He's not really a playmaker, but Simmons can do that.

That team should accommodate Simmons' inability to shoot for the most part, since Bryant is a stretch 5 and Hill, Butler, Beal, Mathews, Bertans and Hachimura can all shoot 3's. The only tough player to fit in is Gafford, but you can minimize the time they play together.

I think Simmons might have a resurgence if he gets to be the primary playmaker in a system surrounded by shooting. It's the type of gamble that I'd love to see us take. We get younger and maybe end up with another legit star. I think Beal would be pretty happy envisioning a future alongside youngish, up-and-coming players like Simmons, Gafford, Butler, Hachimura and Bryant.

[badinage]

Take out Avdija and sub in Hachimura.

And take out Hill and sub in Korkmaz.

[trast66]

I would trade Westbrook for Simmons in a New York minute. Wizards would probably have to sweeten that one though.

Westbrook + Avdija for Simmons + Hill works.

Leaves us with:
PG Hill/#15 pick (Butler?)
SG Beal/Mathews
SF Simmons/Bertans
PF Hachimura/Bertans
C Bryant/Gafford

At #15, we draft Giddey, Butler or Cooper. Butler is probably the best fit with his shooting and D. He's not really a playmaker, but Simmons can do that.

That team should accommodate Simmons' inability to shoot for the most part, since Bryant is a stretch 5 and Hill, Butler, Beal, Mathews, Bertans and Hachimura can all shoot 3's. The only tough player to fit in is Gafford, but you can minimize the time they play together.

I think Simmons might have a resurgence if he gets to be the primary playmaker in a system surrounded by shooting. It's the type of gamble that I'd love to see us take. We get younger and maybe end up with another legit star. I think Beal would be pretty happy envisioning a future alongside youngish, up-and-coming players like Simmons, Gafford, Butler, Hachimura and Bryant.

Poor Ted. He’d be paying 100s of million of $ on Simmons, Bertans, and Bryant, none of whom can be on the court in the playoffs.

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[Kanyewest]

Crazy to think just a couple of weeks we were all discussing which team the Wizards would rather play, the Nets or the 76ers. It's the conference finals and both teams are eliminated.

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[gambitx777]

I've been on the Simmons sucks train for a while. I'm not trading any thing of value for Simons. Deni no, especially not rui. Stop adding value to this bum who will never be able to shoot and is mentally soft as baby ****. I would maybe consider trading Westbrook for him but honestly I'll keep westy.

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[Kanyewest]

13 assists, 8 rebounds, and only 2 turnovers. But only 4 shots for the game and 0 shots in the 4th once again.

[nate33]

Take out Avdija and sub in Hachimura.

And take out Hill and sub in Korkmaz.

I'd prefer to include Avdija, but if it took Hachimura, I'd be okay with it.

I'd definitely want Hill back in place of Korkmaz. We already have 2 guys on the roster that do exactly what Korkmaz does. I'd want a guy who can at least man the PG position short term while we groom a youngster for the role. And Hill is still a good defender and excellent shooter.

[closg00]

Wow, never seen a player get openly thrown under the bus like Simmons, actually feel bad for the guy

[nate33]

Wow, never seen a player get openly thrown under the bus like Simmons, actually feel bad for the guy

Yup. It has become completely untenable for Simmons to remain in Philly. He will be moved this summer. The only question is whether or not Simmons' trade value will bounce up from this low point a bit as memories of Game 7 fade.

[payitforward]

Meanwhile, Harris went 8-24, & Embiid turned the ball over 8 times!!
All Simmons' fault.

The Sixers have exactly 1 front court player -- that's it! -- whom Doc Rivers considers worth bringing off the bench. One guy only, & who is he? The ancient traveler, Dwight Howard.
That too is Ben Simmons fault.

I think if I were Tobias Harris & had just gone 8-24 in a win-or-go-home game, & I heard the world criticizing Ben Simmons, I'd be stepping up & asking for that criticism to be put on me instead.

I think if I were Joel Embiid & had just turned the ball over 8 times in a win-or-go-home game, & I heard the world criticizing Ben Simmons, I'd be stepping up & asking for that criticism to be put on me instead.

[Dark Faze]

The reality is the FO knew they needed a player like Lowry, and instead of dishing out Maxey, Thybulle, picks, and filler they said eff it and picked up George Hill, hoping maybe he'd be like 60% of what Lowry brings while still keeping picks + Maxey and Thybulle. That's not terrible logic but it was a flawed plan. With where the Sixers are at they need top end talent over depth. George Hill was beyond terrible, not even 10% of what Lowry likely would have brought in this series.

[dobrojim]

Meanwhile, Harris went 8-24, & Embiid turned the ball over 8 times!!
All Simmons' fault.

The Sixers have exactly 1 front court player -- that's it! -- whom Doc Rivers considers worth bringing off the bench. One guy only, & who is he? The ancient traveler, Dwight Howard.
That too is Ben Simmons fault.

I think if I were Tobias Harris & had just gone 8-24 in a win-or-go-home game, & I heard the world criticizing Ben Simmons, I'd be stepping up & asking for that criticism to be put on me instead.

I think if I were Joel Embiid & had just turned the ball over 8 times in a win-or-go-home game, & I heard the world criticizing Ben Simmons, I'd be stepping up & asking for that criticism to be put on me instead.

I don’t remember Embiid doing much other than deflecting responsibility
in the post game presser. And I didn’t see, or don’t member Harris comments.

Wasn’t it Howard who committed the flagrant foul that gave ATL
the final momentum they carried for the win?

I agree that Simmons has plenty of company in being to blame
for their loss.

[badinage]

Meanwhile, Harris went 8-24, & Embiid turned the ball over 8 times!!
All Simmons' fault.

The Sixers have exactly 1 front court player -- that's it! -- whom Doc Rivers considers worth bringing off the bench. One guy only, & who is he? The ancient traveler, Dwight Howard.
That too is Ben Simmons fault.

I think if I were Tobias Harris & had just gone 8-24 in a win-or-go-home game, & I heard the world criticizing Ben Simmons, I'd be stepping up & asking for that criticism to be put on me instead.

I think if I were Joel Embiid & had just turned the ball over 8 times in a win-or-go-home game, & I heard the world criticizing Ben Simmons, I'd be stepping up & asking for that criticism to be put on me instead.

Bravo. Yes. You couldn't be more right.

This is just absolutely gutless -- Embiid and Harris should be outed publicly for this.

But ah, they won't be. Because that would require people to look with complexity and nuance, and they won't.

But to think that the jocks are just as guilty of this kind of scapegoating as the media -- wow.

On a separate note -- and without, I hope, opening up that whole corroded can of worms -- our boy Justin Kutcher was not wrong.

[dobrojim]

Simmons isn’t overrated now.

Or maybe he will be.

How would Philly look with Wall?

How dumb does Brooks look for giving Simmons matchups he
could exploit against us?

[Dark Faze]

The only way you take on Wall at this point is through a buyout. After that there are some teams he might be able to help. But to trade for him would be silly.

[dobrojim]

But if it’s Wall <-> Simmons, it’s one bad contract for another.