Porzingis + 2nd round pick for Dinwiddie, Bertans

Post #241 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:22 am

They've played what - 4 games. Yeah, it might be just a tad early to come up with conclusions based on that.

Post #242 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:59 am

Last season stats for Player A:

Per 36 numbers of 24.4 points, 8.9 rebounds, 1.8 blocks, 3.4 assists, 2.3 turnovers, TS% of .556, 32.3 minutes per game in 36 games.

Last season stats for Player B:

Per 36 numbers of 23.5 points, 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 blocks, 1.8 assists, 1.4 turnovers, TS% of .582, 30.9 minutes per game in 43 games.

Player A is

Spoiler:

. Player B is

Spoiler:

.

Bob8 · Post #243 » by **Bob8** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:28 pm

Ruzious wrote:Last season stats for Player A:

Per 36 numbers of 24.4 points, 8.9 rebounds, 1.8 blocks, 3.4 assists, 2.3 turnovers, TS% of .556, 32.3 minutes per game in 36 games.

Last season stats for Player B:

Per 36 numbers of 23.5 points, 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 blocks, 1.8 assists, 1.4 turnovers, TS% of .582, 30.9 minutes per game in 43 games.

Player A is
Spoiler:
Anthony Davis
. Player B is
Spoiler:
Porzingis
.

When you will watch him few years, you will understand why his value is so low. His impact on winning is minimal, even when his stats look decent.

Post #244 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:58 pm

Bob8 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Last season stats for Player A:

Per 36 numbers of 24.4 points, 8.9 rebounds, 1.8 blocks, 3.4 assists, 2.3 turnovers, TS% of .556, 32.3 minutes per game in 36 games.

Last season stats for Player B:

Per 36 numbers of 23.5 points, 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 blocks, 1.8 assists, 1.4 turnovers, TS% of .582, 30.9 minutes per game in 43 games.

Player A is
Spoiler:
Anthony Davis
. Player B is
Spoiler:
Porzingis
.

When you will watch him few years, you will understand why his value is so low. His impact on winning is minimal, even when his stats look decent.

I've always considered him overrated, but it seems like he should have some value.

Bob8 · Post #245 » by **Bob8** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:05 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Last season stats for Player A:

Per 36 numbers of 24.4 points, 8.9 rebounds, 1.8 blocks, 3.4 assists, 2.3 turnovers, TS% of .556, 32.3 minutes per game in 36 games.

Last season stats for Player B:

Per 36 numbers of 23.5 points, 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 blocks, 1.8 assists, 1.4 turnovers, TS% of .582, 30.9 minutes per game in 43 games.

Player A is
Spoiler:
Anthony Davis
. Player B is
Spoiler:
Porzingis
.

When you will watch him few years, you will understand why his value is so low. His impact on winning is minimal, even when his stats look decent.

I've always considered him overrated, but it seems like he should have some value.

His value is exactly Dinwiddie and Bertans on bad contracts. Nobody was prepared to offer more for him. Problem for KP is, that his not doing anything very good. His potential looks good, but he's average at best in everything and constant injuries makes his value negative.

Post #246 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:25 pm

Bob8, to be confused with Mr B, the truth is somewhere between your view and the average NBA fans' view. Hopefully he plays enough this season for Wiz fans to get a handle as to where he really belongs.

Post #247 » by **nate33** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:38 pm

doclinkin wrote:I also get the sense that Beal feels immune to criticism in DC, and the chemistry issue was chiefly between those two -- who each need the ball to do what they do. We saw Spencer play better in games when Beal was out. Or when BB was off the floor. I dunno. Personally, I think toadie 'reporter' Quinton Mayo has turned it for me, he is antimatter-PR for Beal, makes me want some kind of change. Re-set button.

Me too.

I'm actually really surprised at my own change of heart regarding Beal. I've been a consistent defender of Beal throughout his tenure here. But now, I'm just done with him. I want him off the team, period. Heck, I think letting him walk might be addition by subtraction. If we are going to ride an inefficient volume scorer to mediocrity, let it be Kuzma. He at least has a positive demeanor and he costs 1/3rd as much.

I'm not even sure if it's Beal's fault, but at this point, it doesn't really matter. This team is completely dysfunctional because of the way management coddles Beal. Either Beal must go, or the entire structure of the management must be changed.

Bob8 · Post #248 » by **Bob8** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:46 pm

Ruzious wrote:Bob8, to be confused with Mr B, the truth is somewhere between your view and the average NBA fans' view. Hopefully he plays enough this season for Wiz fans to get a handle as to where he really belongs.

I believe Knicks and Mavericks and both fan bases have very similar view about KP and it's not very positive. It's very unlikely that anything will change in Wizards. I was ecstatic when Mavs traded for him, couldn't believe that Knicks made that trade, he looked as great fit with Luka, everyone wanted for KP to succeed, but unfortunately Knicks were clear winner in that trade. Like I said, you need to watch him to play every night or watch him on injury list nonstop to understand, how meaningless his on paper solid stats are.

Post #249 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:57 pm

Bob8, I get your opinion - you've said the same thing several times here.

doclinkin · Post #250 » by **doclinkin** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:13 pm

Watch on YouTube

I mean, you know, things like this can seem tantalizing and hard to let go. The dreams. I can see how hope can leave an echo. Glad you are happy with your bench upgrades. The Wiz fans look forward to some of these highlights if and when we get the big Zinger healthy and playing for us. If so feel free to stop on by to appreciate your former guy.

doclinkin · Post #251 » by **doclinkin** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:16 pm

Hum de dum

Watch on YouTube

Good times, good times.

FAH1223 · Post #252 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:45 pm

Cursed since 1979.

Dinwiddie attacking the paint and running like a Gazelle on the court in San Francisco last night. Incredible.

closg00 · Post #253 » by **closg00** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:07 pm

FAH1223 wrote:Cursed since 1979.

Dinwiddie attacking the paint and running like a Gazelle on the court in San Francisco last night. Incredible.

Just speechless, I was expecting this perhaps next-season. WTF is happening, was it WUJ's offense?

Post #254 » by **nate33** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:29 pm

FAH1223 wrote:Cursed since 1979.

Dinwiddie attacking the paint and running like a Gazelle on the court in San Francisco last night. Incredible.

Watch on YouTube

So Wizards.

He looked so quick in some of those blow-by moves he made in the 2nd half. Look at 1:38 and 2:02. Where was that guy here?

DCZards · Post #255 » by **DCZards** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:46 pm

Seems like Spencer didn’t want to be in DC…and it seems like they didn’t want him here. C’est la vie’

closg00 · Post #256 » by **closg00** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:20 pm

The Wizards are a dysfunctional mess, that hasn't changed

Dat2U · Post #257 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:36 pm

Bob8 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Bob8, to be confused with Mr B, the truth is somewhere between your view and the average NBA fans' view. Hopefully he plays enough this season for Wiz fans to get a handle as to where he really belongs.

I believe Knicks and Mavericks and both fan bases have very similar view about KP and it's not very positive. It's very unlikely that anything will change in Wizards. I was ecstatic when Mavs traded for him, couldn't believe that Knicks made that trade, he looked as great fit with Luka, everyone wanted for KP to succeed, but unfortunately Knicks were clear winner in that trade. Like I said, you need to watch him to play every night or watch him on injury list nonstop to understand, how meaningless his on paper solid stats are.

And both fanbases lost their **** when he got traded so while his injuries are a legitimate reason for concern and why a team might dump him, the evidence is when he plays, he's pretty useful amd generally helps his teams when on the floor.

Mr B · Post #258 » by **Mr B** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:38 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Bob8, to be confused with Mr B, the truth is somewhere between your view and the average NBA fans' view. Hopefully he plays enough this season for Wiz fans to get a handle as to where he really belongs.

I believe Knicks and Mavericks and both fan bases have very similar view about KP and it's not very positive. It's very unlikely that anything will change in Wizards. I was ecstatic when Mavs traded for him, couldn't believe that Knicks made that trade, he looked as great fit with Luka, everyone wanted for KP to succeed, but unfortunately Knicks were clear winner in that trade. Like I said, you need to watch him to play every night or watch him on injury list nonstop to understand, how meaningless his on paper solid stats are.

And both fanbases lost their **** when he got traded so while his injuries are a legitimate reason for concern and why a team might dump him, the evidence is when he plays, he's pretty useful amd generally helps his teams when on the floor.

The problem isn’t his stats when he plays. The problem is that he misses at least a 1/3 of every season and has either been injured or just straight up non-effective in the playoffs. That’s what the last 4 years of his career have been like. MAYBE he all of a sudden becomes dependable? His history says otherwise though.

Bob8 · Post #259 » by **Bob8** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:53 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Bob8, to be confused with Mr B, the truth is somewhere between your view and the average NBA fans' view. Hopefully he plays enough this season for Wiz fans to get a handle as to where he really belongs.

I believe Knicks and Mavericks and both fan bases have very similar view about KP and it's not very positive. It's very unlikely that anything will change in Wizards. I was ecstatic when Mavs traded for him, couldn't believe that Knicks made that trade, he looked as great fit with Luka, everyone wanted for KP to succeed, but unfortunately Knicks were clear winner in that trade. Like I said, you need to watch him to play every night or watch him on injury list nonstop to understand, how meaningless his on paper solid stats are.

And both fanbases lost their **** when he got traded so while his injuries are a legitimate reason for concern and why a team might dump him, the evidence is when he plays, he's pretty useful amd generally helps his teams when on the floor.

Normally you would expect that max. player contributes a lot to team's winning. Mavs record is better without him. Last year he had negative +\- and negative on/off. This year he has negative on/off. So even, if we forget that he's missing 1/3 of games, which I believe we cannot, he is still not helping much with winning and for sure not enough for his max. contract, which is going up every year.

I was very happy, when he was traded. I believe both teams are better off, if players don't work, trade is the best thing to do. Obviously those 3 players didn't work in previous teams. There's a reason that Wizards has got KP and vice versa. If Kp was better, Mavs would have made much better deal or they wouldn't trade him at all. Normally those trades are more neutral, at least at time of the trade, that fan bases believe. Garbage in, garbage out. But maybe some of those players can function better in new teams.

Post #260 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:14 pm

nate33 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:Cursed since 1979.

Dinwiddie attacking the paint and running like a Gazelle on the court in San Francisco last night. Incredible.

Watch on YouTube

So Wizards.

He looked so quick in some of those blow-by moves he made in the 2nd half. Look at 1:38 and 2:02. Where was that guy here?

Honestly, I didn't see anything particularly quick or athletic about any of the drives. He made nice moves, and there wasn't anyone playing legit help D near the hoop on GS - usually a very good defensive team. And he made some shots he'd normally miss.