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Bradley Beal, Jordan Goodwin & Isaiah Todd TRADED to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, six 2nd rounders, & pick swaps

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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

Post#241 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:20 am

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NatP4 wrote:Not only forced Phoenix, but forced us to take the lesser package, and not even get Ayton in return.

Not even Ayton lol


You guys are weird , you really wanted Ayton in return ? Why ???

As a bystander getting rid of Beal 4/207 contract alone it’s huge upside for your Franchise

You can start rebuild 4 years early instead of wasting another 4 years with Beal , saying this what I don’t like is inability of Wizards to include 3rd fourth team to extract some first round picks at least
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Post#242 » by badinage » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:24 am

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Wargreymon wrote:Man...not even one 1st rounder or a young prospect in return. This is inexcusable. No fanbase deserves this. I feel for you guys

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Nah. We don't. If you don't learn, than experience teaches you (kind of like nature) and experience is the biggest, meanest, ----- of a teacher around. Hopefully this experience will teach us something. But I doubt it, after 10, 20, 30 and nearly 40 years of this, people were still trying to sell me on the deal of keeping Beal in the '19, '20, '21 and '22 offseasons. If you didn't get that this was coming then, when would you ever get it?

Hopefully now.

Instead of lambasting Beal, lambaste the people who actually had control in 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022 until they gave it to Beal, the people who have actually been running this franchise into the ground for nearly 45 years under Pollin and Leonsis.

This was unbelievably easy to see coming, and some of us saw it, but some of us man, some of us we're chumps.

The only thing I'm angry about is that the adults with the power and control were too stupid to do something any GM worth a cent would've known they had to do for freaking YEARS, four in all, and NEVER DID. They are the people to blame. Not Beal. He's got one career to play with and like 99% of athletes, he's gonna do for him first, not you. That some couldn't see this coming is utterly beyond me.


We can do both. It’s not either/or.

The franchise has been inept for ages, and worthy of our scorn.

And this cat just pulled the most despicable act of any athlete ever in the history of DC sports.
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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

Post#243 » by gambitx777 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:24 am

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NatP4 wrote:Not only forced Phoenix, but forced us to take the lesser package, and not even get Ayton in return.

Not even Ayton lol


You guys are weird , you really wanted Ayton in return ? Why ???

As a bystander getting rid of Beal 4/207 contract alone it’s huge upside for your Franchise

You can start rebuild 4 years early instead of wasting another 4 years with Beal , saying this what I don’t like is inability of Wizards to include 3rd fourth team to extract some first round picks at least
This deal was a complete case of collusion ! His agent is the father of the GM of the suns this was crooked as ****. Better deals were on the table. This is dirty as ****!

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Post#244 » by badinage » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:33 am

gambitx777 wrote:I absolutely hate the idea of including Goodwin...... What the **** ....... Why? More Beal demands? Stupidity? More seconds? What the **** I was so hopeful. . . . . . . . . .**** Bradly Beal. I'm burning my jersey in a trash can as soon as the sun goes down.

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Mafioso move. That speaks directly to what Beal did.
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Post#245 » by badinage » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:40 am

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keynote wrote:Why in the world did we need to include Goodwin?! Something else must be afoot. Please.


Goodwin will be for Phoenix like Hachimura became for LA.

Why trade a dude who gets after it and plays worth more than his deal?


Why?

WHY?

Because Bradley Beal FU6KED us.

He did the deal. The whole deal.

And with no thought to win-win. None.

Scorched earth.

HE SHOWED US WHO HE IS.
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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

Post#246 » by joshuacf » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:43 am

ArksNetsSince99 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Not only forced Phoenix, but forced us to take the lesser package, and not even get Ayton in return.

Not even Ayton lol


You guys are weird , you really wanted Ayton in return ? Why ???

As a bystander getting rid of Beal 4/207 contract alone it’s huge upside for your Franchise

You can start rebuild 4 years early instead of wasting another 4 years with Beal , saying this what I don’t like is inability of Wizards to include 3rd fourth team to extract some first round picks at least


Because Ayton is a much more valuable piece than CP3. Why do you think the Clippers wanted to give us CP3 and not Ayton?

Hope this helps.
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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

Post#247 » by WallToWall » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:46 am

My disgust is due to not getting any first round picks, or any young player with some value. Perhaps we can flip CP1.5 (he is still a decent player but only half of what he was, hence 1.5) for a low first round pick. I knew Beal would dictate the price and the destination of his choosing. But come on, (supposedly) 6 second round picks? And we have to throw in Goodwin? Granted Goodwin would be a journey-man PG, but still, we had to throw him in to make this happen. Goodwin is worth one of those second round picks. I'm glad we get to start a rebuild. But by no means should we paint this outcome as a "win" for us. Call it what it is. Wizards got fleeced, and it happened because we made it happen! The old GM gave too much power to Beal, and these are the results. What would an acceptable contract for Beal have been? Certainly not a $251M with a no-trade! But what would that contract have been? Perhaps, still being generous, $200M WITHOUT the NTC? What would a contract like that be worth in a trade? A few first round picks for sure! That is what we lost. That is my cause for disgust directed at the old GM. Better yet, what would Beal have been worth in trade before his contract came up for renewal? Those are the returns not realized.

I am glad we are seemingly on a better path. We just have fewer higher valued assets to help make forward progress.
Onward.
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Post#248 » by badinage » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:51 am

gambitx777 wrote:I get what piff is saying. I happen to thing we can make some lemonade here. I think we can end up with a first and some other options.

I think 99% of what piff said was true. But if you're asking me not to be angry at this SAWFT ass bitch Beal and his crooked ass manager and his pussy ass new teammates. Sorry can't do it boss.

Ted paid this man's bills for a decade. Didn't move him when we should have listened to the front office and gave him the most in a contract anyone could give and more than anyone else would. Believed in this man, made him the guy and when it was time, past time, but time to move on. The reasonable and decent thing to do would have been hey pick a play off team, that doesn't have to blow up their rotation to get me, get the best deal you can and send me there as long as it's a play off team. But no Beal as his crooked ass agent did theirs and **** everyone else involved. **** that guy.

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Post#249 » by badinage » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:02 am

Help me understand something, good people of RealGM:

Why couldn’t a 3rd team have been included in this deal — say, the Nets, so that we could have gotten fair value in the form of picks and a young player with upside?
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Post#250 » by JRoy » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:03 am

This is rough but at least WAS is off that trash contract and has probably done its last NTC deal.

Good luck on the rebuild hopefully POR will take the hint and do the same.
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Post#251 » by gambitx777 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:07 am

badinage wrote:Help me understand something, good people of RealGM:

Why couldn’t a 3rd team have been included in this deal — say, the Nets, so that we could have gotten fair value in the form of picks and a young player with upside?
They are currently attempting to work that out with CP3 if possible. But keep in mind any return via a third team has to also be approved by Beal.... So let's say we get #30 and stuff from the clippers. Beal can say no give that to PHX or else I'll scuttle the emdwao. Best to do it alone so Beal can't **** us some more.

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Post#252 » by NatP4 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:13 am

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badinage wrote:Help me understand something, good people of RealGM:

Why couldn’t a 3rd team have been included in this deal — say, the Nets, so that we could have gotten fair value in the form of picks and a young player with upside?
They are currently attempting to work that out with CP3 if possible. But keep in mind any return via a third team has to also be approved by Beal.... So let's say we get #30 and stuff from the clippers. Beal can say no give that to PHX or else I'll scuttle the emdwao. Best to do it alone so Beal can't **** us some more.

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This is all such a joke. I still think they should’ve just said **** you Beal, don’t even report to camp, we’ll pay you to stay far away. Never play him another minute. Let him waste the last couple years of his prime.

He would’ve come around eventually, after his reputation is trashed, and he turns 30 and realizes the clock is ticking. Probably a month or two from now. We would be walking away with Jovic and multiple 1st round picks.

They chose to bend over backwards for Beal and Phoenix and Beal’s agent, and everyone besides the Washington Wizards. It’s a sick joke.
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Post#253 » by NatP4 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:16 am

Go get atleast Preston+30 for CP3, combined with 6 2nd round picks, and nothing but expiring contracts in return.

It’s not the worst thing in the world. We would have 8,30,42,52,57 in this draft. 42+52+57 might return another high 2nd. Potential to add more picks on draft night. Porzingis is surely next. I bet we can get a lottery pick for him.
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Post#254 » by badinage » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:25 am

NatP4 wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:
badinage wrote:Help me understand something, good people of RealGM:

Why couldn’t a 3rd team have been included in this deal — say, the Nets, so that we could have gotten fair value in the form of picks and a young player with upside?
They are currently attempting to work that out with CP3 if possible. But keep in mind any return via a third team has to also be approved by Beal.... So let's say we get #30 and stuff from the clippers. Beal can say no give that to PHX or else I'll scuttle the emdwao. Best to do it alone so Beal can't **** us some more.

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This is all such a joke. I still think they should’ve just said **** you Beal, don’t even report to camp, we’ll pay you to stay far away. Never play him another minute. Let him waste the last couple years of his prime.

He would’ve come around eventually, after his reputation is trashed, and he turns 30 and realizes the clock is ticking. Probably a month or two from now. We would be walking away with Jovic and multiple 1st round picks.

They chose to bend over backwards for Beal and Phoenix and Beal’s agent, and everyone besides the Washington Wizards. It’s a sick joke.


The way to deal with a vindictive little bitch? Be a vindictive little bitch in return.

And you brought up his reputation: it’s trashed in this town. Trashed.

And he trashed it himself, in stunning fashion.

Wow.
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Post#255 » by Jellybeans » Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:20 am

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Jellybeans wrote:Better keeping Beal then getting this crap return :lol:


Better luck next time not getting bounced by an 8th seed.

Hey! Stop insulting my mental midgets :lol:
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Post#256 » by TGW » Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:20 am

You dudes live in a fantasy world if you think keeping Beal and sitting him out of spite would work out in the Wizards favor. That’s such a fan thing to say; in the real world, nonsense like that never works. When was the last time a player that was benched out of spite by his current team was traded for full value in any sport. It doesn’t happen.

This is just made up fan p0rn to sound tough, and is proof that fans talk out of their collective a$$es for the most part. Any normal decision maker who’s not a lunatic just cuts his losses and moves on. That’s what Winger did. This isn’t nba2k.
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Post#257 » by Jimmy Recard » Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:26 am

People really mad at Beal right now? Shouldn’t we be mad at the idiot who signed him to a super max with a NTC? Not Beal’s fault this franchise is incompetent.
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Post#258 » by badinage » Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:30 am

TGW wrote:You dudes live in a fantasy world if you think keeping Beal and sitting him out of spite would work out in the Wizards favor. That’s such a fan thing to say; in the real world, nonsense like that never works. When was the last time a player that was benched out of spite by his current team was traded for full value in any sport. It doesn’t happen.

This is just made up fan p0rn to sound tough, and is proof that fans talk out of their collective a$$es for the most part. Any normal decision maker who’s not a lunatic just cuts his losses and moves on. That’s what Winger did. This isn’t nba2k.


John Wall.

Also KD.

And no one said: traded for full value.
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Post#259 » by badinage » Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:33 am

Jimmy Recard wrote:People really mad at Beal right now? Shouldn’t we be mad at the idiot who signed him to a super max with a NTC? Not Beal’s fault this franchise is incompetent.


Can’t we be both?

Also, to be clear:

What Tommy/Ted did was dumb, spectacularly dumb.

What Beal did? Unspeakably ruthless and vindictive and scorched earth — the work of a loathsome character.
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Post#260 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:09 am

TGW wrote:You dudes live in a fantasy world if you think keeping Beal and sitting him out of spite would work out in the Wizards favor. That’s such a fan thing to say; in the real world, nonsense like that never works. When was the last time a player that was benched out of spite by his current team was traded for full value in any sport. It doesn’t happen.

This is just made up fan p0rn to sound tough, and is proof that fans talk out of their collective a$$es for the most part. Any normal decision maker who’s not a lunatic just cuts his losses and moves on. That’s what Winger did. This isn’t nba2k.



Exactly.

I was thinking earlier how people in here seem to think reality ought to play out in a way that benefits their roster rebuild efforts in Franchise Mode while playing Madden after a season ends.

They criticize Beal for signing a lucrative deal, then blame him for exercising the power placed in his contract.

Blame Sheppard for that contract, blame Leonsis for being a stooge of an owner thus far when it comes to D.C. basketball.

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