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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#262 » by Bigmiketruth » Mon Aug 2, 2010 11:43 am

NBAPlaybook.com (a pretty good blog by the way) has a scouting report on Seraphin. Worth a look, if for nothing else than to temper expectations (such as expecting him to take McGee's spot this year)

http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/08/02/overs ... -seraphin/
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#263 » by Ruzious » Mon Aug 2, 2010 11:57 am

Bigmiketruth wrote:NBAPlaybook.com (a pretty good blog by the way) has a scouting report on Seraphin. Worth a look, if for nothing else than to temper expectations (such as expecting him to take McGee's spot this year)

http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/08/02/overs ... -seraphin/

It's a good effort, but I think the author isn't factoring in what the Wiz want him for - which is to rebound, play defense, and run the floor offensively and defensively. Of those areas, he already gives him strong marks for everything except team defense. He's not going to learn the Wiz style of team defense by playing a year in the D League. It would likely be a wasted year of development there - playing against inferior competition.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#264 » by closg00 » Mon Aug 2, 2010 1:07 pm

Bigmiketruth wrote:NBAPlaybook.com (a pretty good blog by the way) has a scouting report on Seraphin. Worth a look, if for nothing else than to temper expectations (such as expecting him to take McGee's spot this year)

http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/08/02/overs ... -seraphin/


Nice find :clap: KS sounds like a good candidate for the D-League this year to learn English and NBA hoops.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#265 » by Ruzious » Mon Aug 2, 2010 1:30 pm

closg00 wrote:
Bigmiketruth wrote:NBAPlaybook.com (a pretty good blog by the way) has a scouting report on Seraphin. Worth a look, if for nothing else than to temper expectations (such as expecting him to take McGee's spot this year)

http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/08/02/overs ... -seraphin/


Nice find :clap: KS sounds like a good candidate for the D-League this year to learn English and NBA hoops.

You could be right, but I doubt they traded to get him and then helped buy him out of the last year of his French contract just to put him in the D League - especially when they lack depth up front.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#266 » by Benjammin » Mon Aug 2, 2010 3:04 pm

FWIW, Seraphin will number #13 for the Wizards this year, according to a facebook message from the Wizards. I really doubt he will see any, or very little time in the D league this season.
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Post#267 » by closg00 » Mon Aug 2, 2010 3:24 pm

Benjammin wrote:FWIW, Seraphin will number #13 for the Wizards this year, according to a facebook message from the Wizards. I really doubt he will see any, or very little time in the D league this season.


I also expect to see very little of him in-games this season until he learns English, how is he going to understand what Flip or the assitants are telling him?
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Post#268 » by fishercob » Mon Aug 2, 2010 3:31 pm

Never seemed to deter Moses Malone.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#269 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Mon Aug 2, 2010 4:40 pm

closg00 wrote:
Benjammin wrote:FWIW, Seraphin will number #13 for the Wizards this year, according to a facebook message from the Wizards. I really doubt he will see any, or very little time in the D league this season.


I also expect to see very little of him in-games this season until he learns English, how is he going to understand what Flip or the assitants are telling him?


Uh, do you mean YELLING at him?
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Post#270 » by montestewart » Mon Aug 2, 2010 4:40 pm

fishercob wrote:Never seemed to deter Moses Malone.

Is that referring to his size or his English? Or both?
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#271 » by closg00 » Mon Aug 2, 2010 5:01 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Benjammin wrote:FWIW, Seraphin will number #13 for the Wizards this year, according to a facebook message from the Wizards. I really doubt he will see any, or very little time in the D league this season.


I also expect to see very little of him in-games this season until he learns English, how is he going to understand what Flip or the assitants are telling him?


Uh, do you mean YELLING at him?


:lol: Actually I wrote yelling first and changed it to "telling"
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#272 » by verbal8 » Mon Aug 2, 2010 5:18 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Bigmiketruth wrote:NBAPlaybook.com (a pretty good blog by the way) has a scouting report on Seraphin. Worth a look, if for nothing else than to temper expectations (such as expecting him to take McGee's spot this year)

http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/08/02/overs ... -seraphin/

It's a good effort, but I think the author isn't factoring in what the Wiz want him for - which is to rebound, play defense, and run the floor offensively and defensively. Of those areas, he already gives him strong marks for everything except team defense. He's not going to learn the Wiz style of team defense by playing a year in the D League. It would likely be a wasted year of development there - playing against inferior competition.


I actually think the write-up sounds promising. It sounds like defensively he is quite a bit ahead of McGee and the tools to become the Wizards best post defender. At every other position should be pretty good offensively. If he can score on an occasional hook shot and put-back he should be able to keep the defenses somewhat honest.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#273 » by queridiculo » Mon Aug 2, 2010 6:05 pm

verbal8 wrote:
I actually think the write-up sounds promising. It sounds like defensively he is quite a bit ahead of McGee and the tools to become the Wizards best post defender. At every other position should be pretty good offensively. If he can score on an occasional hook shot and put-back he should be able to keep the defenses somewhat honest.


Would be nice if we could consult Seth Brundle on merging the two.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#274 » by fishercob » Mon Aug 2, 2010 7:15 pm

montestewart wrote:
fishercob wrote:Never seemed to deter Moses Malone.

Is that referring to his size or his English? Or both?


His English. I think the language barrier is overstated.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#275 » by montestewart » Mon Aug 2, 2010 7:27 pm

fishercob wrote:
montestewart wrote:
fishercob wrote:Never seemed to deter Moses Malone.

Is that referring to his size or his English? Or both?


His English. I think the language barrier is overstated.

Me too. Young people in most European and Asian countries get a lot of exposure to the English language.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#276 » by fishercob » Mon Aug 2, 2010 7:29 pm

Yeah, and even though he had an interpreter with him, Seraphin started speaking in English during his draft night press conference. I'm sure he understands a lot better than he speaks. Coaches probably prefer it that way :-)
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#277 » by hands11 » Tue Aug 3, 2010 2:47 am

Bigmiketruth wrote:NBAPlaybook.com (a pretty good blog by the way) has a scouting report on Seraphin. Worth a look, if for nothing else than to temper expectations (such as expecting him to take McGee's spot this year)

http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/08/02/overs ... -seraphin/


I can buy into that evaluation. Specially since we haven't had any live action to watch and not a ton of video.

BUT

I would bring him onto the active roster anyway because the part that evaluation is missing is comparing all those holes in his defense to those of McGee.

As it is we only have McGee, Armstrong and Seraphin to defend the post so I want all three active because we have seen McGee's defense so I'm pulling for Seraphin and Armstrong to fill the hole we have at defensive center. Only way I would send Seraphin down is if we add someone we know can defend the paint.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#278 » by Dat2U » Tue Aug 3, 2010 3:43 am

verbal8 wrote:
I actually think the write-up sounds promising. It sounds like defensively he is quite a bit ahead of McGee and the tools to become the Wizards best post defender. At every other position should be pretty good offensively. If he can score on an occasional hook shot and put-back he should be able to keep the defenses somewhat honest.


I don't know. I'm honestly a bit skeptical. Sounds like he's pretty good individual defender but is lost defensively within the team concept and offensively it sounds like we shouldn't expect much.

It's definitely an EG type pick. Raw, athletic big man with good upside. I'm real interested to see how quick a leaner he is and if he's able to develop some additional skills offensively.

I'd prefer if he came in and was our 3rd center behind McGee & Armstrong. Give him a few minutes here and there and let him get his feet wet next year. Next year should be about getting him ready for the rotation in '10-'11 (edited: I meant in '11-'12) . That means just say no to Fabricio Oberto.

I don't see how the NBDL does him any good. He needs to play & get reps against NBA quality bigs. He's going to have learn to adjust his game against NBA competition, especially being a bit undersized for the C position. I don't see how playing against the Charleston Lowgators or the Tulsa 66ers accomplishes that.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#279 » by hands11 » Tue Aug 3, 2010 4:01 am

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verbal8 wrote:
I actually think the write-up sounds promising. It sounds like defensively he is quite a bit ahead of McGee and the tools to become the Wizards best post defender. At every other position should be pretty good offensively. If he can score on an occasional hook shot and put-back he should be able to keep the defenses somewhat honest.


I don't know. I'm honestly a bit skeptical. Sounds like he's pretty good individual defender but is lost defensively within the team concept and offensively it sounds like we shouldn't expect much.

It's definitely an EG type pick. Raw, athletic big man with good upside. I'm real interested to see how quick a leaner he is and if he's able to develop some additional skills offensively.

I'd prefer if he came in and was our 3rd center behind McGee & Armstrong. Give him a few minutes here and there and let him get his feet wet next year. Next year should be about getting him ready for the rotation in '10-'11. That means just say no to Fabricio Oberto.

I don't see how the NBDL does him any good. He needs to play & get reps against NBA quality bigs. He's going to have learn to adjust his game against NBA competition, especially being a bit undersized for the C position. I don't see how playing against the Charleston Lowgators or the Tulsa 66ers accomplishes that.


Seems reasonable that he would enter camp like that, as 3rd.

But I do remember reading he was putting in 5 hrs a day of practice/working out so he seems to have a solid work ethic so we will see how far he comes in the next 3 months or so. Honestly, I don't care who starts or shares the minutes down there as long as they can defend the paint. I'll take Armstrong if he ends up being the best. I just like that we have more options then only McGee or Dray needing to do it. I've always been a big McGee fan and excepted from the start that he was a longer term project but I wanted to see more viable options because while he has made some progress down there, he still looks lost a lot of time. At least appears that we have more potential options other then old Fabio.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#280 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Aug 3, 2010 4:03 am

My biggest reasons for liking Seraphin come down to doclinkin and Draft Express. doc loves him and doc tends to be right a whole lot of the time. DX had him there number one international.

I like that he's an aggressive, mobile, apparently tough dude.

However, until I see his basketball skills I am thinking Dat2Us Jahidi comparison is an upper limit to what Seraphin can bring. Right now, I do not see him being quite as prolific a rebounder as even Jahidi (based on my knowledge of Seraphin's rebounding stats to date). He really reminds me of former Terp, Ben Coleman. He has similar footwork and nifty moves around the basket. Shoots the ball the same way, lots of half hooks from what I've seen video of. I'd say Kevin's a cross between Coleman and Jahidi White. Maybe Seraphin is quicker than either of those guys, but he's not as strong as Jahidi. He's not quite as skilled as Ben Coleman was, either. Since he's only 20 or so he might have decent upside.

Seraphin has impressed people enough that they wanted him mid round one.

EG did hit it out the park with Blatche and he's seemingly right about McGee. Nick Young went about where he should have. I trust he has seen the goods in Seraphin.

I just hope doc, DX and others are right about Seraphin. He's the possibly the difference in the Wizards being decent to be pretty good, IMO. McGee and Armstrong are going to need some help in the paint.

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