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Re: Our Projected Depth Chart 

Post#261 » by NiqtheAntiq » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:02 pm

hands11 wrote:I can't wait to see the final roster. I was just watching some old games like the MIL game from the end of last season and I'm pumped to see what they can do next season. I say the Wiz were better then MIL to end the year and they have only gotten better. Remember, they beat MIL as they were trying to make the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Wiz in the playoffs next year. I look for them to get off to a quick start finally. That is going to be key. If you start off playing well, making the playoffs is a lot easier. This is the first time in a long time they will start the season with a legit starting line up and rotation of quality depth.

Nene is going to be a beast next year. He played so well after the trade. Great footwork. Quick first step. Strong decisive moves toward the hoop. He was a bull. Great mid range shot. And he passes well. I think he is going to have a great year. When the ball is in his hands, the entire D has to react to him.

Wall is primed for a great year 3. He was really changing pace well to end the season and that was one things he really needed to learn so he could play more efficiently and under control while taking true advantage of his speed. He displayed several change of pace moves to go along with his solid defense and blocked shots. And he passed really well to close out the year. Even without a great shot I think he will have a great year. If he adds a reliable shot, he will have a wow year.

That is two legit studs right there which is a good place to start if you are looking to make the playoffs. They have two studs and lots of solid depth. Maybe the deepest front court in the league. This team will play great defense. They played smart and as a team. I see a break out year for them. Specially once Beal gets it going. They ended the year with everyone knowing their roles.

Ves was also really impressive. He is going to surprise a lot of people next year. I see him being a very solid rebounder 6-11 glue player. And for a big, he is a great passer. He gets the ball out of his hands fast. He also plays so smart. He tips rebounds in play really well. And he ended the year looking far from a skinny kid. He actually looked like he had a great frame for his size. Ves will prove to be very worthy of the #6 pick. Remember now. This kid is Ves-e-ly Ves-e-ly Ves-e-ly

Kevin is obviously a fan favorite. Lots to like from this young buck. Great post game with left and right hooks, mid range soft shoot, great picks, blocks and he can run for court. He finished the year really well and he will come back even stronger and with more experience after some more international ball.

And don't sell Crawford short. Kid has only played 2 years. While people don't like the chuck in him, he drives really well and probes the defense with change of pace moves ala old school Ledel Eckles keeping defenses off balance. He makes some nice passes and he has balls of steal. I think Randy can groom him into a legit contributor. I think this kid can still get shinned up.

And it goes on from there. They now have Beal. Mason is a solid vet long ball shooter. Ariza can be a great energy guy with slashing to the basket and some long ball and D. Okafor is strong and can rebound along with some post game. C Singleton will be much better in year 2 doing what we drafted him to do. Then you still have Booker who is fast, strong, can finish, dunk, block, D up, and rebound. He even added a mid range last year.

And they still may add Martin and James Singleton which they should to add some more outside shooting.

Its actually a really nice roster. Two studs and great support players and depth. They can have it all even if they keep Dray around. Just leave Dray innovative. What's the harm. If you amnesty him you are paying him anyway. I see him as injury or rest insurance for the bigs. That would be incredible depth. They can activate him when needed for road games against crappier teams to give Nene or Okafor rest on back to back games. Specially on West coast trips. That would allow him to come in and play without worrying about the boo birds. Once he shows a reliable game and the team has a good record, you can reintroduce him to the home crowd. If he is in shape, playing well, and the team in winning games, people need to let go of the past and support the team as they look to move him. I don't think that is to much to ask from the local fans.



Great read, along with alot of posts the last 2 pages. I just am worried about the development of Ves with this current team. I think he needs to start at the 3 next year with at least 28mpg and get some more confidence. If his minute are sporatic his field goal percentage will go down like alot of Euros who need time to get in a shooting groove.

Of course it makes sense for Ariza to start over him, yet Ariza is already a proven sixth man and can play at the end of games for all I care. Ves just doesnt need to be the next Skita :)
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Re: Our Projected Depth Chart 

Post#262 » by Dat2U » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:26 pm

hands11 wrote:This is the best set of players, coachs and front office I have seen for a Washington Basketball team in probably 20 years. Next closest was the Jimmy Lynum Nash GM team before they blow it up.


Your setting the bar really high bro, those are big shoes to fill. But a man can dream I guess.
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Post#263 » by closg00 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 12:07 am

Dat2U wrote:
hands11 wrote:This is the best set of players, coachs and front office I have seen for a Washington Basketball team in probably 20 years. Next closest was the Jimmy Lynum Nash GM team before they blow it up.


Your setting the bar really high bro, those are big shoes to fill. But a man can dream I guess.


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Post#264 » by hands11 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 1:46 pm

Dat2U wrote:
hands11 wrote:This is the best set of players, coachs and front office I have seen for a Washington Basketball team in probably 20 years. Next closest was the Jimmy Lynum Nash GM team before they blow it up.


Your setting the bar really high bro, those are big shoes to fill. But a man can dream I guess.


That was actually a nice roster but they never got to really play it to its fullest because of injuries. They started to get it together to close out the year and then the Abe choose Howard over his GM so he fired him and then they blow it up the team. Pack got injured and we started down a long road of gloom. Abe was an awesome owner.

That was the last time we has a solid front office and roster development.

Sadly, it has been a long time since I could say I like front office, coach and roster.

I'm sure you'll be jumping on the bandwagon when the Wiz start playing and winning this year, just like you predicted all along.
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Re: Our Projected Depth Chart 

Post#265 » by sashae » Mon Jul 9, 2012 4:52 pm

Dat2U wrote:
hands11 wrote:This is the best set of players, coachs and front office I have seen for a Washington Basketball team in probably 20 years. Next closest was the Jimmy Lynum Nash GM team before they blow it up.


Your setting the bar really high bro, those are big shoes to fill. But a man can dream I guess.

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That being true or not, the fact that a Grunfeld/Wittman/this roster combination is the best the team has had in 20 years should be a massive indictment of the entire franchise. Awful.
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Post#266 » by hands11 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:36 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... ier_Martin


Good to hear Martin is back.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... #pagebreak

After drafting Bradley Beal and trading for Trevor Ariza, the Wizards weren’t looking to sign a big-name wing player in free agency and are now looking to add a veteran backup point guard to round out the roster. They now have roughly $61 million committed to 13 players, which places them slightly over the $58 million salary cap but well below the luxury tax level of about $70 million.

Well that good news and is exactly what I have been hoping for. Wonder what that means for Mack.
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Post#267 » by verbal8 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:55 pm

hands11 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/222284/Wizards_Re_Sign_Cartier_Martin


Good to hear Martin is back.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... #pagebreak

After drafting Bradley Beal and trading for Trevor Ariza, the Wizards weren’t looking to sign a big-name wing player in free agency and are now looking to add a veteran backup point guard to round out the roster. They now have roughly $61 million committed to 13 players, which places them slightly over the $58 million salary cap but well below the luxury tax level of about $70 million.

Well that good news and is exactly what I have been hoping for. Wonder what that means for Mack.


He needs to make sure he has a current passport. I think he will be one of those guys on the fringes of the NBA with a few stops in Europe in between.
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Post#268 » by closg00 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:05 am

The Wizards still have three roster spots available and remain interested in bringing back veteran James Singleton to add more depth to the front line. The 6-8 Booker still believes that he will find a spot in the regular rotation for the Wizards – even if he has to play some small forward.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

There is sill a chance that James Singleton returns :clap: If we cut Mack we would have 4 rosters spots

1. J Singleton
2. Vet PG
3. 3rd guard
4. Open
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Post#269 » by hands11 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:34 am

closg00 wrote:
The Wizards still have three roster spots available and remain interested in bringing back veteran James Singleton to add more depth to the front line. The 6-8 Booker still believes that he will find a spot in the regular rotation for the Wizards – even if he has to play some small forward.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

There is sill a chance that James Singleton returns :clap: If we cut Mack we would have 4 rosters spots

1. J Singleton
2. Vet PG
3. 3rd guard
4. Open


The 6-8 Booker still believes that he will find a spot in the regular rotation for the Wizards – even if he has to play some small forward.

“I’m not sure, but I would say yeah. I could be comfortable at the three,” said Booker,


Which is what I said all along.

It will be interesting to see how this roster finally shakes out and who gets minutes where. As is, there are minutes for Booker at PF with Nene, Okafor, KS, Ves and Booker.

With Trevor A, C Singleton getting most the min at SF and C Martin backing them up Im not sure were adding James Singleton fits in when they have Booker and Martin. Seems James would have to be the 3rd SF pushing Martin to 3rd guard which means there would be room for Mason as third guard unless Beal or Crawford took more primary roles as back up PG.

Its a ripple effect. We will see what they decide.
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Post#270 » by leswizards » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:40 pm

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/7/25/3186548/washington-wizards-roster-depth-chart-nba-free-agency-2012?ref=yahoo

PG: John Wall/A.J. Price/Shelvin Mack

SG: Bradley Beal/Jordan Crawford

SF: Trevor Ariza/Chris Singleton/Cartier Martin

PF: Nene/Trevor Booker/Jan Vesely

C: Emeka Okafor/Kevin Seraphin


If Mike Prada is right about the depth chart, I am really begining to hate the Lewis trade. The numbers at 82games have always shown that Nene is an excellent center but only an above average PF. If this turns out to be the lineup, the Wizards have degraded one of their best assets.
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Post#271 » by rockymac52 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:50 pm

What's the consensus on how we think the typical minutes distribution will look like with that depth chart.

PG: John Wall/A.J. Price/Shelvin Mack

SG: Bradley Beal/Jordan Crawford

SF: Trevor Ariza/Chris Singleton/Cartier Martin

PF: Nene/Trevor Booker/Jan Vesely

C: Emeka Okafor/Kevin Seraphin


1, I'm curious as to everyone's thoughts on this just in general, but 2, I need a consensus to use for a statistical analysis that I'm working on (and will obviously share here in depth very soon!).
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Post#272 » by closg00 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:25 am

rockymac52 wrote:What's the consensus on how we think the typical minutes distribution will look like with that depth chart.

PG: John Wall/A.J. Price/Shelvin Mack

SG: Bradley Beal/Jordan Crawford

SF: Trevor Ariza/Chris Singleton/Cartier Martin

PF: Nene/Trevor Booker/Jan Vesely

C: Emeka Okafor/Kevin Seraphin


1, I'm curious as to everyone's thoughts on this just in general, but 2, I need a consensus to use for a statistical analysis that I'm working on (and will obviously share here in depth very soon!).


I started to make a depth-chart, but there are so many X-factors.

SG: Crawford will get the start with Beal getting 10-15 min nightly until he learns the ropes.

SF: Does Ariza start right away, what about the chemistry that was established at the end of the year? Whitt may opt on the side of a better shooting Martin.

PF: The PF rotation is a puzzlement. Like the end of last season and the summer Olympics, I see Nene gettingn part-time minutes and DNP's because of his foot. Booker has the same foot problems, so I see Whitt juggling Nene, Booker, and Vesely at PF. We could actually use one more big.

C: Agree on the Okafor/Seraphin rotation.
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Post#273 » by hands11 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:33 pm

Thats way they have a pre-season. So they can gauge and work things out.

The younger players get to show what they added since last year.

I guessing Trevor A is the starter at SF. Only reason I see that not happening is because they want to balance the line ups. But I think Trevor has been better when playing a slightly less role with more talent on the floor so I put him with the starters. Either way I see him getting 25 minutes. As I have said before, I see that amount of minutes of most the players except Wall. They will focus on D and playing a deep roster so everyone has fresh legs and the younger players can still develop. So I would calculate base on 20--25 minutes for most players except say Martin, AJ Price and Mack. Who starts will get worked out in time.

Beal would have to show really well for them to start him right out of the gate. Also, Crawford would have to be Blatche to not understand what he needed to work on in the off season. He left last season saying he know he needed better shot selection. He also needed to work on his 3 pt shooting form. If he did, he should look better and could fight for the starting SG post. He is a competitive guy. He isn't going to wilt like a flower. I expect Crawford to come into camp with an improved game. I don't see Crawford having an issue not starting like he did with Nick because he can see they drafted Beal #3 and Beal will befriend Crawford. Best thing for the team would be to have two good SG so Im all for it. Either way, they will both get minutes. Something like a 24 min split. If they don't add another vet PG, Craw could even play there some as well.

I know some people love to bash on Crawford but he like Wall, who has been inconsistant and have also forced his game, is coming into his 3rd season and the first oen with a stable complete roster that included experienced post players. I'm taking a wait and see approach with Crawford. He deserves a chance to show what he has with this new roster. The kid clearly has some talent. Likely or not, he has to potential to show significant improvement this year. He could be a huge X factor if he does it. He has talent and swag, now he just has to realize his full potential and show some improved maturity. Same as Wall. Being a fan of the team, I'm pulling for him to get there. I don't see him as a dead end yet. That said, this is the reason he needs to show improvement or else he will get slatted as a Nick. There will be plenty of opportunity for him to have a significant impact. I believe in Randy's ability to reach players. He has to show he is coachable. We should be able to see this fairly early in the preseason. I don't expect people to be huge Crawford fans going into the season. I'm just saying don't count out how he could help this year. Its within his reach to help where this team needs help. In many ways, Wall and Crawford have had the same struggles. That gives room for people to bash either or be optimistic. I'll be optimistic until I see what they do this year. This is a really important year for both.
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Post#274 » by nate33 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:55 pm

closg00 wrote:I started to make a depth-chart, but there are so many X-factors.

SG: Crawford will get the start with Beal getting 10-15 min nightly until he learns the ropes.

SF: Does Ariza start right away, what about the chemistry that was established at the end of the year? Whitt may opt on the side of a better shooting Martin.

PF: The PF rotation is a puzzlement. Like the end of last season and the summer Olympics, I see Nene gettingn part-time minutes and DNP's because of his foot. Booker has the same foot problems, so I see Whitt juggling Nene, Booker, and Vesely at PF. We could actually use one more big.

C: Agree on the Okafor/Seraphin rotation.

You people worry too much about Nene. Planters fasciitis gets better with rest and treatment. Nene has two months to rest the foot. He's not going to be getting DNP's on a regular basis due to the foot. Nene is our starting PF. Okafor is our starting center.

Ariza will definitely start right away. The $7M a year vet is going to start over the minimum salary walk-on.

The only questions to me are at SG and backup PF. I'm not sure if Beal or Crawford will start, and I'm not sure if Vesely or Booker will get the backup minutes at PF behind Nene.
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Post#275 » by closg00 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:44 am

New line-up possibility.

Wall
Beal
Webster
Nene
Okafor

No-clue if Webster is 60% or 95% healthy. Whitt really has his work cut-out managing these guys and figuring out rotations and substitutions.
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Post#276 » by rl25g » Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:46 pm

Wall/Crawford
Beal/Webster/Crawford
Ariza/Webster
Nene/Booker/Vesley
Okafor/Seraphin

Deep Bench: Price, Singleton.
IR: Mack, Martin, vet big.
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Post#277 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:49 am

In the backcourt, I think we'll see a heavy dose of Wall, Beal, Crawford in a mostly 3 guard rotation Wall/Beal, Wall/Crawford, Crawford/Beal.

At SF I think Ariza starts, with Webster (if healthy) as primary backup.

PF is Nene, backed by Booker and Vesely. I also think Nene gets minutes at C opening some more opps for those two.

Center Okafor backed by Seraphin, with Nene as well (especially on nights when Seraphin picks up 3 fouls in 5 min, which will happen).

But my chart looks pretty much on par with rl25g's list above.
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Post#278 » by rockymac52 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:45 pm

Is it possible that Beal could slide in at PG for some limited minutes here and there? For a SG, he definitely has pretty good handles, so I don't think it's that ridiculous to consider it.
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Post#279 » by hands11 » Sat Sep 1, 2012 3:43 pm

Reiterating my projection for minutes, I believe you are going to see more 20-24 min players then 30-35 min players.

What makes me say that ? I few things.
One. Its how they finished the year. Take a look. They already started doing this.
Two. The vets are here to stabilize the team, not to take it over.
Three. Its a long season, no reason to overplay older vets who have some injury questions. Same is true of Booker. Plus they have young players to develop and they are most likely going to be a defensive team so keeping everyone fresh will be important.

The players who are not guaranteed many if any minutes are Mack, Martin, AJ Price, C Singleton, Webster. Those are the players who have to fight to earn time. There will be serious competition this year in camp. Specially at SF. I don't think Booker is in that class that needs to worry about getting set minutes.

Line Ups and Minutes
Wall 30 plus. The rest go to AJ or Craw, maybe Mack
Crawford and Beal will split most the mins. 24 and 24. If Craw plays some PG, there is room for Martin or others. Beal may start closer to 14-16 depending on who he performs right out of the gate.
SF ? I assume Trevor get 20 somewhere with 28 avail between C Singleton/Webster/Martin (preseason battle)
Nene 20/Booker18/Ves 10 - Ves is still a young kid. No reason to force things.
Okafor20/Kevin 24/4 minutes for some Ves maybe

Plus they could try some Booker at SF and see how it works if the opportunity presents itself.

This is a basic outline as a starting point that can get tweaked if everyone is healthy. No need to play the front court players to much if they are on back to backs or if they have minor injuries. Its a long season. No need to pull an EFJ and kill everyone by the ASB. I predict Randy will coach smart like a Popovich does.

I say they start with something like this and play the hot player a little more depending on the night, fouls, injuries and match up.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

Looks like they are set but still keeping their options open.

After announcing that Webster had inked his new deal, Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld said on Wednesday that the team would “in all likelihood” go with 14 players when training camp begins on Oct. 2 at George Mason. “But that remains to be seen,” Grunfeld said. “We’ll see what opportunities are there. If other opportunities come up, we’ll look at them.”

The tank was planned.

After finishing with the NBA’s second-worst record last season, Wizards owner Ted Leonsis said his team was “bad – by plan – and now we plan to be GOOD.”
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Post#280 » by closg00 » Sat Sep 1, 2012 6:07 pm

The tank was planned, but it doesn't mean it was the best strategy for the Wizards and especially John Wall. The Wizards squandered precious developmental years for John while Ernie worked-on clearing-up the rest of his mistakes.

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