"Linning" at The Great Wall Of China Town 2/8/12 7pm NBATV

[llcc25]

Who assembled this team? We've got no identity and a bunch of pieces that are'nt starter material and don't fit well together.

[Higga]

Didn't see the game but I can't help but root for Lin. Dude wasn't blessed with god given talent but he maximizes everything he has. He's basically the Anti-Blatche/McGee.

[Dat2U]

Lin may have outplayed wall from an overall standpoint today but I think it's foolish to call him better than wall. Lin did the same to deron Williams other night but does that mean he's better than deron? Heck no. He just happens to be surrounded by a better team of players than understand how to play.

Lin is not better than Wall, physically.

Lin dominated today.

Wall is a far superior athlete who can score on anyone using one-on-one, God-given ability that Lin does not have. Lin has a command and court awareness that Wall does not have. Lin is already making people make Steve Nash comparisons.

Wall dominated as a scorer.

Lin had every one of his teammates looking to him for instruction, direction, and stability. Lin has the total trust of his teammates. He has mastered PnR offense.

Wall is a lot younger and the far greater athlete. Wall had a great game.

Reading your posts and many others through the first 12 pages or so, you would have sworn Wall was headed for a 6-20 night with 8 TOs. Your hate is so strong that honestly I can't buy anything you say anymore on the subject. It's almost JonathanJoseph like.

I wonder if you've let your bias cloud your basketball judgement. Lin didn't dominate Wall. Lin dominated the Wizards! It wasn't just because Wall was a sieve defensively (he wasn't but he did gamble & overplay a few times), it was because the pick & roll or any form of ball movement causes our team defense to break down because of incredibly poor rotations that are either always late or never happen period. The lane is consistently wide open. McGee played team D like he mentally checked out. Seraphin & Booker played D like they've never played organized basketball before. Defense is about IQ and effort and the IQ was non-existent and the effort was spotty at best.

You throw any PG out there tonight and if they have any game, they could get 20/10 against us easily the way our bigs played defense tonight.

Could you imagine if Wall played against the Wizards D tonight? He'd probably go for 40 or more.

And the Lin comparisons to Nash are just ridiculous. Lets at least wait a few more games before we crown Lin as a franchise PG and say he's clearly better than Wall. I've always liked Lin, I was there at the summer league game when he and Wall had their duel. Lin was always an NBA player in my opinion, but I can't help but think that once the NBA gets a thorough scouting report on the kid, the luster will wear off just a bit.

Remember how everyone said Rubio was light years better than Wall earlier in the season? Is that so clear cut now?

[Higga]

Yeah the people saying Lin is some superstar in the making are getting a little crazy. He's a good player though, very exciting. He may not have "talent" but hell I'd take him over anyone on the Wiz not named Wall at this point.

[TGW]

Lin is as much a superstar as Flip Murray was a star when he had those 3 great games as a Sonic.

[BanndNDC]

Just shows we are a dumb poorly assembled team.

Wall was determined to score tonight (clearly didnt like the hype for lin and was trying to prove a point). which is a good sign in general. unfortunately his teammates suck.

McGee and Young both have tunnel vision. My "favorite" two McGee plays were when 1)he was running back on D and starts pointed to Novak? to say someone needs to pick him up he then virtually runs into Singleton? in the paint who was guarding Chandler? until McGee got back. Singleton? saved McGee by deflecting the entry pass for a team steal but McGee was an absolute moron with no court awareness on the play and 2) after losing the ball he hustles to get the loose ball but then instead of holding it and resetting or even making the risky pass to a cherry picking young under the basket he forces up an ugly ass forced and hurried pathetic shot attempt that airballs (completely negating his good hustle play).

Young is an absolute moron. Seriously stupid. I've never seen a player try and dribble through 2-3 defenders standing next to each other more often than him. he is a black hole on offense and cant even be bothered to put his arms up on defense. I'm positive he'd be the best 3on3 blacktop player ever but as for 5on5 on the hardwood he is subpar. $9 million. what a joke.

Singleton also looked subpar but since all my hate was focused on young and all my dismay on mcgee there wasnt much left to go around.

the simple fact is that the team as constructed sucks and the coaching system/scheme is not ideal. the only guy who can shoot/hit shots on semi-regular basis is borderline (Please Use More Appropriate Word) (sorry if im being overly harsh it's been a bad day) and cant do anything else. the only guy who can rebound is 3-4" undersized and the only guy who can play high level organized team ball cant shoot a lick.

lin was great but it was embarrassing how he abused us. it came down to two basic basketball fundamentals 1) court vision/awareness and 2) movement off the ball. the wizards are severely lacking in those two things while Lin and Knicks seemed to possess at least an NBA average ability of them. at this point i dont think the wizards would come in third in the ACC with their current roster even if they were coached by a mystical amalgamation of john wooden, red auerbach, dean smith and phog allen (serpentor style).

4 point plan (the same one everyone else on here already knows is needed and wants)
1. trade young now. even though he is the only guy who can shoot on the roster he is a detriment to the team and sets a bad example. (clarification: he is not a bad egg in terms of personality etc but the way he plays is a bad example. we will not be better this year without him but who cares)
2. entertain offers for mcgee now and seriously consider them. he may have all the physical tools in the world but he lacks a certain basic court awareness (which cant be learned) which will always prevent him from fully accessing those tools. if a decent offer doesnt materialize now then work the phones in the off season and pull the trigger then.
3. trade baltche if you can. if not play him extensively at C where he might have more trade value. ironically at this point i think baltche is the most salvageble of our useless EG3. he is a reasonably decent backup with decent court awareness.
4. fire EG before the draft. for god's sake unless we have the number 1 pick do not let EG draft. we cannot afford any more of his drafting. this franchise has already run out of good will.

install a system/coach/team that actually complements each other.

on the plus side maybe 2 of booker/singleton/vesely/seraphin might work out as role players for our theoretical future mythical NBA level Wizards squad.

[JonathanJoseph]

Reading your posts and many others through the first 12 pages or so, you would have sworn Wall was headed for a 6-20 night with 8 TOs. Your hate is so strong that honestly I can't buy anything you say anymore on the subject. It's almost JonathanJoseph like.

Ugh. Why is it "hate" or an "agenda" as opposed to an "opinion"? I suppose I could call all of the posters who say that Wall "dominated" tonight "cheerleaders", but that's not terribly productive.

It's also sorta interesting that "the majority here think Wall dominated" while CCJ and I (and apparently, no one else) believe the opposite. Not a lot of area in the middle there.

I'm also wondering if you think Greg Anthony is a "hater" too. He said "Jeremy Lin is the best player on the floor tonight.......by far".

I wonder if you've let your bias cloud your basketball judgement. Lin didn't dominate Wall. Lin dominated the Wizards! It wasn't just because Wall was a sieve defensively (he wasn't but he did gamble & overplay a few times), it was because the pick & roll or any form of ball movement causes our team defense to break down because of incredibly poor rotations that are either always late or never happen period. The lane is consistently wide open. McGee played team D like he mentally checked out. Seraphin & Booker played D like they've never played organized basketball before. Defense is about IQ and effort and the IQ was non-existent and the effort was spotty at best.

You throw any PG out there tonight and if they have any game, they could get 20/10 against us easily the way our bigs played defense tonight.

Could you imagine if Wall played against the Wizards D tonight? He'd probably go for 40 or more.

And the Lin comparisons to Nash are just ridiculous. Lets at least wait a few more games before we crown Lin as a franchise PG and say he's clearly better than Wall. I've always liked Lin, I was there at the summer league game when he and Wall had their duel. Lin was always an NBA player in my opinion, but I can't help but think that once the NBA gets a thorough scouting report on the kid, the luster will wear off just a bit.

Remember how everyone said Rubio was light years better than Wall earlier in the season? Is that so clear cut now?

First off, it takes a significant amount of poetic license to suggest that Lin dominated the team but NOT the player guarding him for most of the game. But I get where you are going and, quite frankly, I agree. (don't be too surprised)

THATS SUMS UP MY ENTIRE POINT REGARDING JOHN WALL.

That's what PGs are supposed to do. They aren't supposed to beat their man 1-on-1 (or 1-on-5) all the time, they are supposed to be the quarterback of the offense, attack weaknesses in the defense, set up teammates where they are open/comfortable shooting the ball and in general, make teammates better. While it's still a small sample size, it appears that Lin can do all of that and it's no surprise that the Knicks have won 3 in a row as a result.

And let's be clear, the Knicks are down two superstars and were 2-11 in their past 13. It's hard to suggest that Lin isn't making a difference quickly. It's not just Wall, Lin has abused Deron Williams and Devin Harris too.

But for all the excuses being made for Wall, you can add Lin to Rubio and Irving for PGs who are making a difference quickly regardless of talent around them or lockout or coach or whatever. And yes, I'd say it's clear as day that Rubio is better than Wall.

You say that Wall would have gone for 40 if he had been playing against the Wizards defense, but Wall has shown no ability to run the PnR game, so why is it you think he's going to do it against even a bad defense?

Sorry, but I didn't like the way Wall played tonight, even if it was one of his better games. The guys on NBA TV didn't have too many nice things to say either, so maybe I'm not crazy. On the other hand....

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Lin is not better than Wall, physically.

Lin dominated today.

Wall is a far superior athlete who can score on anyone using one-on-one, God-given ability that Lin does not have. Lin has a command and court awareness that Wall does not have. Lin is already making people make Steve Nash comparisons.

Wall dominated as a scorer.

Lin had every one of his teammates looking to him for instruction, direction, and stability. Lin has the total trust of his teammates. He has mastered PnR offense.

Wall is a lot younger and the far greater athlete. Wall had a great game.

Reading your posts and many others through the first 12 pages or so, you would have sworn Wall was headed for a 6-20 night with 8 TOs. Your hate is so strong that honestly I can't buy anything you say anymore on the subject. It's almost JonathanJoseph like.

I wonder if you've let your bias cloud your basketball judgement. [b]Lin didn't dominate Wall. Lin dominated the Wizards! It wasn't just because Wall was a sieve defensively (he wasn't but he did gamble & overplay a few times), it was because the pick & roll or any form of ball movement causes our team defense to break down because of incredibly poor rotations that are either always late or never happen period. [/b]The lane is consistently wide open. McGee played team D like he mentally checked out. Seraphin & Booker played D like they've never played organized basketball before. Defense is about IQ and effort and the IQ was non-existent and the effort was spotty at best.

You throw any PG out there tonight and if they have any game, they could get 20/10 against us easily the way our bigs played defense tonight.

Could you imagine if Wall played against the Wizards D tonight? He'd probably go for 40 or more.

And the Lin comparisons to Nash are just ridiculous. Lets at least wait a few more games before we crown Lin as a franchise PG and say he's clearly better than Wall. I've always liked Lin, I was there at the summer league game when he and Wall had their duel. Lin was always an NBA player in my opinion, but I can't help but think that once the NBA gets a thorough scouting report on the kid, the luster will wear off just a bit.

Remember how everyone said Rubio was light years better than Wall earlier in the season? Is that so clear cut now?

Remember what you said about Cousins. You basically said I didn't know what I was talking about. Read this if you care to.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball- ... 00839.html

Since you went bias, I put that in first. How is Cousins looking now? You are having trouble taking my posts seriously now? You were then, too.

If you read the first 12 pages, what I said to Illuminaire and my apologies are on around page 15 or 16. Wall looked great scoring but he didn't begin to do much with Lin defensively and neither did Crawford. My only point is that one guy is a natural born great leader and the other guy is not. Opinion only. Wall can score and pass extremely well, but I like Lin better.

Guys who played professionally (Greg Anthony, Dennis Scott) mentioned being reminded of Nash. Call their judgment crazy if that is what they say about Lin. I think they are right. He has to sustain what he is doing, but right now that is how he is playing.

The only things Wall could have done that he didn't do was keep Lin in front of him. Lin is using a burst and change of speed to blow by guards. Crawford couldn't stop him.

I'm not really up for arguing. Your view on Wall is just as biased as mine. I am the hater but people who do not see any faults with Wall have blinders on.

This game Wall's offense was terrific.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Lin dominated the Wizards, and Wall is one of the Wizards who could not stop Lin from controlling the game.

[JonathanJoseph]

Lin dominated the Wizards, and Wall is one of the Wizards who could not stop Lin from controlling the game.

Lin got into the lane on multiple occasions where Wall went under the screen. Sorta hard to argue against that.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Dat2U, Shaquille O'Neal @ 8:25 PM HST (or 1:25 AM 2/9/12) said the following about Jeremy Lin:


"He's playing like a Baby Nash"

(Could be a replay on NBATV, but the comparison is being made, and neither Greg Anthony or Kenny Smith disputed him. They agreed).

[Dat2U]

Reading your posts and many others through the first 12 pages or so, you would have sworn Wall was headed for a 6-20 night with 8 TOs. Your hate is so strong that honestly I can't buy anything you say anymore on the subject. It's almost JonathanJoseph like.

Ugh. Why is it "hate" or an "agenda" as opposed to an "opinion"? I suppose I could call all of the posters who say that Wall "dominated" tonight "cheerleaders", but that's not terribly productive.

It's also sorta interesting that "the majority here think Wall dominated" while CCJ and I (and apparently, no one else) believe the opposite. Not a lot of area in the middle there.

I'm also wondering if you think Greg Anthony is a "hater" too. He said "Jeremy Lin is the best player on the floor tonight.......by far".

Of course you didn't like the way Wall played. He could have a perfect game but in your eyes he'll never be Gilbert, lol. And any wanna be psych major can see that your hate all stems from seeing your boy kicked aside to make room for Wall.

I just find hilarious how you'll use words like "bad luck" with Ernie (your just wrong about everything aren't you?) or point to some generic stats to make your point about how well Arenas played the last two years but oh lordy, if anyone tries to cut Wall some slack or make a legitimate point about the stupidity he's surrounded by on the roster, were called "cheerleaders".
I wonder if you've let your bias cloud your basketball judgement. Lin didn't dominate Wall. Lin dominated the Wizards! It wasn't just because Wall was a sieve defensively (he wasn't but he did gamble & overplay a few times), it was because the pick & roll or any form of ball movement causes our team defense to break down because of incredibly poor rotations that are either always late or never happen period. The lane is consistently wide open. McGee played team D like he mentally checked out. Seraphin & Booker played D like they've never played organized basketball before. Defense is about IQ and effort and the IQ was non-existent and the effort was spotty at best.

You throw any PG out there tonight and if they have any game, they could get 20/10 against us easily the way our bigs played defense tonight.

Could you imagine if Wall played against the Wizards D tonight? He'd probably go for 40 or more.

And the Lin comparisons to Nash are just ridiculous. Lets at least wait a few more games before we crown Lin as a franchise PG and say he's clearly better than Wall. I've always liked Lin, I was there at the summer league game when he and Wall had their duel. Lin was always an NBA player in my opinion, but I can't help but think that once the NBA gets a thorough scouting report on the kid, the luster will wear off just a bit.

Remember how everyone said Rubio was light years better than Wall earlier in the season? Is that so clear cut now?

First off, it takes a significant amount of poetic license to suggest that Lin dominated the team but NOT the player guarding him for most of the game. But I get where you are going and, quite frankly, I agree. (don't be too surprised)

THATS SUMS UP MY ENTIRE POINT REGARDING JOHN WALL.

That's what PGs are supposed to do. They aren't supposed to beat their man 1-on-1 (or 1-on-5) all the time, they are supposed to be the quarterback of the offense, attack weaknesses in the defense, set up teammates where they are open/comfortable shooting the ball and in general, make teammates better. While it's still a small sample size, it appears that Lin can do all of that and it's no surprise that the Knicks have won 3 in a row as a result.

And let's be clear, the Knicks are down two superstars and were 2-11 in their past 13. It's hard to suggest that Lin isn't making a difference quickly. It's not just Wall, Lin has abused Deron Williams and Devin Harris too.

But for all the excuses being made for Wall, you can add Lin to Rubio and Irving for PGs who are making a difference quickly regardless of talent around them or lockout or coach or whatever. And yes, I'd say it's clear as day that Rubio is better than Wall.

You say that Wall would have gone for 40 if he had been playing against the Wizards defense, but Wall has shown no ability to run the PnR game, so why is it you think he's going to do it against even a bad defense?

Sorry, but I didn't like the way Wall played tonight, even if it was one of his better games. The guys on NBA TV didn't have too many nice things to say either, so maybe I'm not crazy. On the other hand....

Of course you didn't like the way Wall played. He could have a perfect game but in your eyes he'll never be Gilbert, lol. And any wanna be psych major can see that your hate all stems from seeing your boy kicked aside to make room for Wall. Let's keep it real here.

I just find hilarious how you'll use words like "bad luck" with Ernie (your just wrong about everything aren't you?) or point to some generic stats to make your point about how well Arenas played the last two years but oh lordy, if anyone tries to cut Wall some slack or make a legitimate point about the stupidity he's surrounded by on the roster, were called "cheerleaders".

And who cares what Greg Anthony says? He's a talking head like anyone else, and a poor one at that. You tried that same "well the media thought the same thing too" crap with the whole Miller/Foye debacle. Their opinion carries no weight, just like yours.

[Illuminaire]

Regarding the Lin/Nash comparisons.... Nash is a deadeye shooter. Lin is not. That's going to change the way defenses play him going forward, and I expect he'll come back to earth soon.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Dat, if Wall turns into a scoring Gary Payton with better speed and finishing ability, I will be very pleased. John Wall is playing A LOT BETTER the past 3 or 4 weeks. Just like Cousins they are both doing some good things.

Wall, unfortunately, has this team to carry. I would no longer say what WAS TRUE FOR A WHILE, that McGee was a better C than Wall was a PG. John Wall must have had some sort of confidence problems. Actually, I like his aggression and he is shooting much better. Meanwhile, McGee has quit. He has mentally checked out and he is killing the team with a lack of attention to detail.

The parts of the game that John Wall doesn't have are not things you learn. This is what I mean about Lin, said by others.

Mike D’Antoni said Jeremy Lin has an innate ability to control the flow of the game.

“He has a pace to his game,” D’Antoni said. “First of all, he has real good speed, he gets in the lane, he gets by people, he has a sense of setting the guy up, a sense of where the openings are. It’s hard to teach. Some guys have it.”

Steve Novak, who played for the Spurs last season, compared Lin to Tony Parker.

Novak said, “Getting the defense on its heels and at a disadvantage is what he does best. I played with Tony Parker last year and he had the same skill, creating chaos on defense. It’s where all the open shots come from.”

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... z1lreFj5r1

[Dat2U]

Remember what you said about Cousins. You basically said I didn't know what I was talking about. Read this if you care to.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball- ... 00839.html

Since you went bias, I put that in first. How is Cousins looking now? You are having trouble taking my posts seriously now? You were then, too.

If you read the first 12 pages, what I said to Illuminaire and my apologies are on around page 15 or 16. Wall looked great scoring but he didn't begin to do much with Lin defensively and neither did Crawford. My only point is that one guy is a natural born great leader and the other guy is not. Opinion only. Wall can score and pass extremely well, but I like Lin better.

Guys who played professionally (Greg Anthony, Dennis Scott) mentioned being reminded of Nash. Call their judgment crazy if that is what they say about Lin. I think they are right. He has to sustain what he is doing, but right now that is how he is playing.

The only things Wall could have done that he didn't do was keep Lin in front of him. Lin is using a burst and change of speed to blow by guards. Crawford couldn't stop him.

I'm not really up for arguing. Your view on Wall is just as biased as mine. I am the hater but people who do not see any faults with Wall have blinders on.

This game Wall's offense was terrific.

Cousins is playing well. Congrats. How long before he acts up again and gets ANOTHER coach fired?

Honestly, I don't buy the Cousins act. No one, including me, ever questioned his talent. There was never any doubt he could play at a high level in the NBA. But am I biased for being concerned about the fact he's been regarded as a total nut case his entire basketball career outside of the last few weeks?

Even with all the success he had at Kentucky, people said he was damn near impossible to deal with. Last year teammates and coaches said he was impossible to deal with. Is that all forgotten with a few weeks of high level play?

With Cousins its never been about his potential or ability. It's been about his personality, dedication and focus. It's about whether or not he's a ticking time bomb. Wall never had those questions around him. It's why there never was any doubt over who the #1 pick would be.

IMO, Cousins under the EG regime would have been a abject disaster. Flip probably would have resigned long ago. Cousins would probably have been suspended multiple times for all sorts of issues (like in Sac) and he may have already bitched his way out of DC by this point.

But go ahead, continue to ignore all the red flags, and enjoy Cousins' moment in the sun.

My question is how long does it last?

And again, it doesn't surprise me you like Lin more than Wall after 3 games and he's suddenly a natural born leader to you. Is it bias? Is it being caught up in the moment? Probably a little bit of both. But Like I told sfam two weeks ago after Vesely's masterful 6 & 6 performance in 19 minutes, don't start saying I told you so just yet because the book isn't finished yet. Your on chapter 3 of a War & Peace sized novel so there's so much more of the story that is yet to unfold.

Lets see how Lin is doing two weeks from now and then revisit.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Regarding the Lin/Nash comparisons.... Nash is a deadeye shooter. Lin is not. That's going to change the way defenses play him going forward, and I expect he'll come back to earth soon.

Agreed, but almost nobody shoots like Nash.

Lin appears to me to have great touch off the backboard. He gets to the hole and finishes. He's got hops that NASH doesn't have. Lin is faster than Nash end-to-end. Where Nash is way, way, way better is that Nash throws one-handed bounce passes ambidextrously with pinpoint accuracy. Nash throws better lobs. Nash throws better passes while moving forward full speed. Nash has a much tighter handle. I've seen Lin get stripped.

The thing that shocks me about Lin is he can shoot from midrange with a lot of accuracy and he appears to be no slouch from three. The guy is a real good scorer and a very good playmaker, too. On top of that, he's good positional defender.

Jeremy Lin is shockingly good.

[Illuminaire]

Tangential note to CCJ:

I agree with you that some of the talent Lin has involves a feel for timing that Wall will probably never match. I wish Wall had the same 'wiggle' to his game that the elite ball distributors like Nash and Paul have. It's perfectly fair to want him to develop some of those areas and learn how to set up teammates better.

I also agree that if Wall can be a Gary Payton quality player, that's pretty darned good. It's a step short of what people think of as a franchise player or a superstar, but GP was a great player on some great teams. You can go to war with a GP, and I think we can go to war with John Wall. He doesn't have to be the platonic ideal of the pass-first point guard to be the best or second-best player on a championship team. (That last part was a general statement rather than directed at you, CCJ)

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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But go ahead, continue to ignore all the red flags, and enjoy Cousins' moment in the sun.

My question is how long does it last?

And again, it doesn't surprise me you like Lin more than Wall after 3 games and he's suddenly a natural born leader to you. Is it bias? Is it being caught up in the moment? Probably a little bit of both. But Like I told sfam two weeks ago after Vesely's masterful 6 & 6 performance in 19 minutes, don't start saying I told you so just yet because the book isn't finished yet. Your on chapter 3 of a War & Peace sized novel so there's so much more of the story that is yet to unfold.

Lets see how Lin is doing two weeks from now and then revisit.

Here is the thing, Dat. It was about ability with Cousins. He lost a lot of weight and came to camp in much better shape, and that is without team supervision during the lockout. I remember Cousins during the lockout saying how badly he needed to play to see if he improved. His shooting and rebounding have gotten much better. His rebounding improvement is unprecedented. A lot of people in this forum said he wouldn't do well in the NBA because he couldn't play a power game against physically stronger players. He doesn't have much athleticism. So, I say there were questions about his ability.

On how long it lasts, that is a great question, Dat. I think he is going to be high maintenance and will very likely have some serious outbursts during the course of his entire NBA career. I believe he is bipolar and I know how hard that is to manage. Unlike myself, I don't know what kind of core values that kid has. I don't know what regimen he uses to stay leveled off.

This is my answer, Dat: Just as there are divas in music who are high maintenance, they are pampered because they can sing. As long as DeMarcus is beasting and his team is competive, they will tolerate him. DeMarcus could get therapy and actually mellow out a great deal. If he has an outburst it depends who is around him. The right people can help the dude.

Dennis Rodman once had a gun to his head during his NBA career. Yet, he played through. Phil Jackson and his teammates were mature. They didn't care about that dudes hair, or his wedding dress, or his lifestyle. Ron Artest sure ended up saving the Lakers in their last championship.

A guy like DeMarcus can be worth it, but there are definitely risks involved.

What I KNOW is he's a reliably terrific rebounder. Cousins alone would ratchet up the intensity and rebounding of the Wizards and this team would be way better. How long will he last? I don't know.

[Illuminaire]

Regarding the Lin/Nash comparisons.... Nash is a deadeye shooter. Lin is not. That's going to change the way defenses play him going forward, and I expect he'll come back to earth soon.

Agreed, but almost nobody shoots like Nash.

That just makes my point.

Anyways, I'm not trying to take away from Lin's impressive debut. I'm just cautioning against the hyperbole, because he has limiters on his game that will start to show up more and more as the scouting report comes out. I don't think he'll go from hero to zero, but I do think we'll see him regress from all-star numbers to merely cementing a roster spot and (probably) starter status for the rest of the year with NY.

[JonathanJoseph]

Of course you didn't like the way Wall played. He could have a perfect game but in your eyes he'll never be Gilbert, lol. And any wanna be psych major can see that your hate all stems from seeing your boy kicked aside to make room for Wall. Let's keep it real here.

I just find hilarious how you'll use words like "bad luck" with Ernie (your just wrong about everything aren't you?) or point to some generic stats to make your point about how well Arenas played the last two years but oh lordy, if anyone tries to cut Wall some slack or make a legitimate point about the stupidity he's surrounded by on the roster, were called "cheerleaders".

And who cares what Greg Anthony says? He's a talking head like anyone else, and a poor one at that. You tried that same "well the media thought the same thing too" crap with the whole Miller/Foye debacle. Their opinion carries no weight, just like yours.

I guess it was obvious that you'd go straight to personal attacks, but whatever.

I'm still not understanding how all you pysch majors are figuring this all out. If I were trying to convince everyone that, say, Chris Paul was a bad PG, then I'd assume you'd have a point. Since I'm saying the same thing that Greg Anthony, who had a long career as an NBA PG, and Dennis Scott said, it seems hard to suggest that this is some physcological blind spot where I'm making something up. Or how CCJ saw Wall's game the same way I did. Is he just having Gilbert Arenas withdrawal too?

As for Greg Anthony's opinion carrying no weight in comparison to yours? That's foolish stuff right there, given that Anthony has been in and around the NBA and played PG for a long time. And your point about the Miller/Foye trade, completely incorrect as I noted that Doc RIvers (an NBA coach, not a member of the media), said the trade would make Washington contenders. Never did I cite a member of the media on that.

Calling Arenas "my boy" is pretty weak. If you are a Wizards fan, he was "your boy" too and any suggestion otherwise is absurd revisionist history.

Do you have any basketball substance with which to debate? Or just a bunch of one-off personal attacks? That was a rhetorical question.