Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[TGW]

If Nene stays healthy, he's undoubtedly more valuable than Javale. Big if however, especially with our staff.

At least we won't have to see Nene get pushed around, abused, and mopped up by Dwight Howard. Those magic games were embarrassing.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I like this deal. Yeah Nene's deal is a little steep and a tad long for my liking but it's a big cultural change. Young despite his abilities on offense and his underrated defense never got it; just watch his body language in games, it was atrocious whether he was doing good or bad. McGee is a bone-head, plain and simple, unless McGee suddenly blows up (muscle wise) and somehow moves his BBIQ from last in the league to even average, he's always going to be an enigma. Honestly why should we believe he will even do one of theses, he hasn't shown the slightest sign of turning the corner.

I also like the fact of building around the draft, but adding vets with savvy and unselfishness is whats going to make this team better, we need someone to point the youngins in the right direction.

[tontoz]

oops wrong thread

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

McGee an all star in what? You know how many centers he has to pass just to get there?

He won't be an all star, but I saw him take it right at Andrew Bynum, DeAndre Jordan, Tim Duncan and the rest of the Spurs. McGee will have more wins against those guys and I believe he will make his share of highlights.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If Nene stays healthy, he's undoubtedly more valuable than Javale. Big if however, especially with our staff.

At least we won't have to see Nene get pushed around, abused, and mopped up by Dwight Howard. Those magic games were embarrassing.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =howardw01

Lifetime average of Nene vs Dwight Howard: 10 points, 7 rebounds over 9 games. He has held Dwight to and average of 17 and 13.

I dunno, but that's not what I expect for $13M.

I think the smart thing would have been to sit McGee and to keep Booker and Seraphin on Dwight. I do agree McGee was not worth big money (over $10M) and he plays terribly against Howard.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

double post

[Cramer]

... like sashae.

Oh, and Spence, too, I guess.

Ouch. Maybe I deserved that, but I hope not.

No - just very cool to see both you and sashae post here today - kinda like seeing old relatives that you haven't seen in a while.

... very old relatives.

Speaking of old relatives, I just became a grandpappy on Tuesday.

Anywhoooooo, on the fence on this one but CCJ's rants are pushing me to the "LOVE IT!!!" side. Dude really needs to pump the brakes. I respect his opinion a lot, kind of like John Holmes cock, but either getting jammed down my throat over and over would create a negative reaction. OK, given those two options, preach CCJ, preach......

Anyway, Young was going to be gone for nothing, and now he's gone now for nothing. That's a win. McGee just drove me nuts and he's a knucklehead now and he'll be a kucklehead forever, and now he's gone. That's a win. A healthy Nene is a win. Nene's contract is not a win. That's not a win at all, unless you assume the Wiz would have resigned McGee at something similar, then I would have thrown up in my mouth. Knowing that's a scenario that isn't going to happen is a win. CCJ posting somewhere along the lines of 7 gazillion posts on the trade and his track record is not a win.

I'm leaning win because McGee is gone forever and I don't have the puking in my mouth scenario looming over my head.

[truwizfan4evr]

We almost traded for Chris Kaman. Then we pass on him because he will be an freeagent.

[eathb_au]

Nene isn't as good as you guys think.

[leswizards]

In the NBA, to become trully competitive, teams need to acquire players that are being paid less than what they are worth. The 2 main ways to acquire players who are being paid less than what they are worth is by drafting rookies who outperform their contracts, and by signing max players who are worth even more than max salaries.

I like both McGee, and Nene. I think they are worth just about every penny they are making or will be making soon. But that is the problem. They will never outperform their contracts.

Hence, I was all for trading McGee because I didn't want to invest the kind of money McGee will be making into a player who is not outperforming his contract until the Wizards had actually acquired a few players who are outperforming their contract. And, now I don't like this trade, because the only thing I wanted in return for Young and McGee were assets that could be used in attempting to acquire rookies who can outperform their contracts, and I didn't want a player who is basically getting the same contract that I didn't want the Wizards to give to McGee. I would have rather had the cap space to gamble at throwing as much money as possible at Ryan Anderson and others.

[queridiculo]

Howard vs. Nene 17.3PPG/14TRB/0.522FG%
Howard vs McGee 24.2PPG/14TRB/0.720FG%

Howard converted over 80% of his FG attempts in 6 out of 13 games vs. Javale. Against Nene Howard shot over 60% in 3 out of 9 matchups.

Not much difference there in rebounding numbers, but Howard was held 1 point below his career scoring average against Nene, while scoring more than 6 points over his scoring average in matchups with McGee.

I don't even have to look at the stats to know how badly Howard has abused McGee over his career. We had Booker guarding him over long stretches as a direct result. How bad is that?

I realize why McGee is such an intriguing prospect, but his defense is awful on such an epic scale that it's hard to believe that he will ever become a serviceable defender. Just to go from pitiful to terrible is an uphill battle for the guy.

[7-Day Dray]

I think Wall also played a huge factor in this and Aldridge even alluded to it on NBATV. McGee and Young are as immature as they come, and that lack of maturity would want to make a guy like Wall look around and say "I can go to a better place." It was better for them to surround him with some talent NOW rather than wait until "we're ready to contend" and he's only going to be here one more year and then bolt. Look at what happened in Toronto with Bosh, Cleveland with Lebron, and to a certain extent Orlando with Dwight. We need to surround him with some talent now before he starts to think of where he wants to go next.

All those guys were UFA who were free to sign with any team they wanted. Wall after his rookie contract will be restricted, and we'll surely match any offer he gets if he doesn't resign during the season. If he wants to leave, he'll have to take a 1-year QO, and he'll have to give up a lot of money.

This move doesn't make us a championship contender. I think it makes us closer to mediocrity.

[eathb_au]

That's not really fair, Denver is a much better defensive team than Washington.

[hands11]

I don't think this reeks of desperation. I think EG is just acknowledging that the Wizards are a laughingstock. The losing can't continue much longer before it becomes detrimental to Wall. This kinda reminds me of the #5 pick for Jamison trade when EG first arrived, only this time, we're not really giving up much value. If one assumes that we weren't resigning Nick and we wouldn't match a $10M+ offer for McGee, then this is really equivalent to signing Nene on the free agent market. Given the free agents available and their likely asking price, I'd rank Nene at $13M a year to be a pretty good signing. Would you rather pay Robin Lopez $7M a year, or Spencer Hawes $9M?

Fair enough. Plus a second round pick. And the removal of several WTF plays a game between them and general unprofessional approach to the game. And stupid interviews from both.

This was mostly about raising the teams IQ and professionalism. Not just raw skills. That is something I have harped on for a while so maybe it will work out.

[queridiculo]

That's not really fair, Denver is a much better defensive team than Washington.

CCJ brought those numbers up not I. Can't have it both ways if you're trying to make a point.

That said, I can say with confidence that I have watched over 90% of McGee's career games, and he's without a doubt not only the worst defending big I've ever seen, he's the worst defender I have ever watched play professional basketball period.

He has no clue on where to be, how to position himself, how to help, whom to help and when. His idea of playing defense consists of spending as little time on the floor as possible.

I wish Denver all the best, and I hope George Karl has grown to be more patient with age because it's not like he's got much more hair to lose.

[closg00]

Denver has 3 picks in the draft, we couldn't have gotten one of their two 2nd round picks for doing them this huge favor?

[fishercob]

Just getting a chance to post now. Read the entire thread.

My very first reaction to this was fear: Denver **just** signed Nene this past offseason. Doesn't it concern people that their front office thought this guy was worth 5/$65M and now they're fine trading him for a guy that leads the league in WTF's by a wide margin? How often to guys get long term extensions in one offseason and then traded at the following deadline?

Marc Cuban made an interesting point recently, I forget where (maybe the Simmons interview at the Sloan conference). He said that this season's data were worthless. Because of no offseason, the compressed game schedule, and no practices, the data collected from this year's games are meaningless in a broader context. No idea if it's true, but if it is, perhaps it offers a ray of hope when looking at Nene's stats this season compared to his last three.

The timing of this is interesting. If this trade was made over last summer (say a S&T) before Nene's production drop, I wonder how people would feel.

McGee was beyond infuriating to root for. I had really soured on him recently, culminating with the infamous "can't say I do" incident. And sorry CCJ, but I wanted to smack his mama in her fat mouth. All of that said, I fear that because his mistakes got lots of attention the totality of his production got too easily dismissed. He wasn't Blatche -- or close.

To that end, people need to realize that Mcgee is much better rebounder than Nene. They're close on the defensive glass this year, but Vale obliterates Nene on the offensive glass. I'd expect that gap to widen in the coming years, which is of particular concern given how poorly the Wiz rebound as a team.
Shotblocking/altering aside, I would guess Nene is a much better defender than McGee. So there's that.

If Nene returns to form for his past three seasons, then this is a good trade. I can't say I'm confident that is going to happen, though. I'd feel better if Nene had two years left on his deal after this. Four is downright scary.

Finally......Ted. My confidence in him is deeply shaken. At every opportunity he has said they value building with youth, keeping cap flexibility. A 29 year old Nene is not worth deviating from The Plan for. Paying him 20% of the cap in 3 or 4 years could really impede the rebuild. I hope I am dead wrong and that this works out. But I fear this is yet another bad day for a franchise that seemingly has nothing but.

Oh, and f*cking fire Ernie already.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think it would have made a lot more sense to make Seraphin the starting C.

McGee could have come off the bench. I don't think could command any more than 8-10M. I wouldn't have minded McGee leaving for nothing in return.

I do not like Nene at his contract and would have preferred other moves by the Wizards.

That is all.

[Rafael122]

Just getting a chance to post now. Read the entire thread.

My very first reaction to this was fear: Denver **just** signed Nene this past offseason. Doesn't it concern people that their front office thought this guy was worth 5/$65M and now they're fine trading him for a guy that leads the league in WTF's by a wide margin? How often to guys get long term extensions in one offseason and then traded at the following deadline?

Marc Cuban made an interesting point recently, I forget where (maybe the Simmons interview at the Sloan conference). He said that this season's data were worthless. Because of no offseason, the compressed game schedule, and no practices, the data collected from this year's games are meaningless in a broader context. No idea if it's true, but if it is, perhaps it offers a ray of hope when looking at Nene's stats this season compared to his last three.

The timing of this is interesting. If this trade was made over last summer (say a S&T) before Nene's production drop, I wonder how people would feel.

McGee was beyond infuriating to root for. I had really soured on him recently, culminating with the infamous "can't say I do" incident. And sorry CCJ, but I wanted to smack his mama in her fat mouth. All of that said, I fear that because his mistakes got lots of attention the totality of his production got too easily dismissed. He wasn't Blatche -- or close.

To that end, people need to realize that Mcgee is much better rebounder than Nene. They're close on the defensive glass this year, but Vale obliterates Nene on the offensive glass. I'd expect that gap to widen in the coming years, which is of particular concern given how poorly the Wiz rebound as a team.
Shotblocking/altering aside, I would guess Nene is a much better defender than McGee. So there's that.

If Nene returns to form for his past three seasons, then this is a good trade. I can't say I'm confident that is going to happen, though. I'd feel better if Nene had two years left on his deal after this. Four is downright scary.

Finally......Ted. My confidence in him is deeply shaken. At every opportunity he has said they value building with youth, keeping cap flexibility. A 29 year old Nene is not worth deviating from The Plan for. Paying him 20% of the cap in 3 or 4 years could really impede the rebuild. I hope I am dead wrong and that this works out. But I fear this is yet another bad day for a franchise that seemingly has nothing but.

Oh, and f*cking fire Ernie already.

The Wizards still have their cap space. If it wasn't Nene, it was going to be McGee or someone else.

[queridiculo]

Finally......Ted. My confidence in him is deeply shaken. At every opportunity he has said they value building with youth, keeping cap flexibility. A 29 year old Nene is not worth deviating from The Plan for. Paying him 20% of the cap in 3 or 4 years could really impede the rebuild. I hope I am dead wrong and that this works out. But I fear this is yet another bad day for a franchise that seemingly has nothing but.

Oh, and f*cking fire Ernie already.

What scares the crap out of me is the signal this trade sends with respect to Grunfeld.

Would Leonsis really allow EG to compromise his "vision" if he didn't expect him to back in some capacity the following year?

To me it's almost a clear indication that we're going to have to endure more of the same for quite some time.