Wizards @ Celtics Game Thread 11/07/12

[montestewart]

Hands, that is classic hands.

[AFM]

Let's forget about us losing as usual, and delight in the play of Singleton at PF, namely this dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj5EfYwEI7A


shiet was hot son
Was that Lebron?

[hands11]

You might want to take your own advice first regarding reading comprehension.

"For everyone who keeps posting stuff like this.. I hardly think that is the case."

There were other posts of the same tone on the very same page. It wasn't a comment directed just at you.

As for me knowing what he thinks, I just use basic common sense. Its not very hard.

Back to the game.

Celtics. 34 FTA.. Wizards 7

Randy even commented on this after the game.

Considering what the Wizards don't have right now, they are really playing some amazing defense and they have been in every game so far. Consider the fact that its even harder to defend off missed baskets. So how good can this D be once the offense improves ?

[montestewart]

Your common sense tells you with certainty what he thinks? Classic Hands!

[hands11]

Hands, that is classic hands.

Thank you.

I'll try to keep the fact based perceptive coming.

Its just, come on. Ted was on board with this. And the move can't really be judged properly until they get Wall and Nene back. They were not brought here to be key pieces of any long term puzzle. They were not Nene level pieces. When the move was made, I didn't even project that when Wall and Nene were healthy, either would be a starters. But that was just my projection. I have no facts to back that up. But if when those two return, they can play and earn those posts, then the team is just going to be that much deeper because they means they beat out players that I see developing nicely.

Right now, both are starters. They are just pieces while the team transitions from being young wet behind the ears young to just young. Both players have some skills. But neither are complete players. Thats fine. The Wizards don't need either to be a Nene or Wall. They were vets brought here because Ted didn't want to buy out Lewis. If there was a better trade they could have made for the Lewis contract, please share it with the board.

It just seems silly to me that people post things about the trade and in any way infer that Ted would judge EG harshly for it. They did this together and the decision to trade for players for the Lewis contract was clearly something Ted was on board with. And these player fit the character profile he said he wanted. How do I know that. i know it because he didn't buy him out and he said these are the type of players he wanted.

[hands11]

Let's forget about us losing as usual, and delight in the play of Singleton at PF, namely this dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj5EfYwEI7A


shiet was hot son
Was that Lebron?

I remember Booker used to do stuff like that.

Chris had a nice game. Solid line. That is a very good sign.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

When one team gets 34 free throw attempts and the other team only gets 7, the team with 7 almost cannot win.

I think in overtime a couple calls gave Boston more than enough of an advantage.

I am happy for the tank effort. I am glad Wittman had Seraphin, Singleton, and Webster on the court at the end. Beal at least took the shot and didn't look as tentative. Not having a penetrating PG/playmaker hurt. That said, Price did a real decent job on Rondo.

This game came down to KG getting to foul inside and Bass and others being allowed to ride the Wizards out of bounds; while at the other end the refs gift wrapped some FT attempts and called non-existant fouls on the Wizards.

As far as I'm concerned the Wizards thoroughly outplayed Boston and were flat out ripped off.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Getting mauled by the C's all game long, not a single damn call all night

+1

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Fairly encouraging game, though I don't think Boston is that good of a team.

At least Beal hit some shots (needs to get much better coming off screens both with the ball and without). Also nice to see Seraphin warranting a double team and Singleton playing a solid game.

Bass and Rondo look good. I know Pierce can hit a big shot. KG is good on face up shots. Other than that Boston looks very, very ordinary.

Washington is much more athletic and IMO outplayed Boston tonight. If Seraphin, Singleton, Beal, and Price got the FTs they should have and if the refs hadn't made up stuff to give the game to Boston; I think the Wizards were EASILY the better team.

[miller31time]

My quick prediction (probably the prediction of many on this forum) is that Ted and Ernie are going to rush Wall and Nene back and get them on the court as soon as humanly possible in hopes of salvaging this season and preventing yet another lottery-bound catastrophe.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

My quick prediction (probably the prediction of many on this forum) is that Ted and Ernie are going to rush Wall and Nene back and get them on the court as soon as humanly possible in hopes of salvaging this season and preventing yet another lottery-bound catastrophe.

My translation: Ted and Ernie are going to rush Wall and Nene back to get them on the court as soon as humanely possible to keep Ted and Ernie from looking like ass while the Wizards lose.

Okafor and Ariza and that veteran depth Ted paid for has the Wizards poised for another lottery-bound catastrophe. Nene is hurt, as at least one or two predicted at the trade deadline last season.

My thought, miller, is if they rush them back they'll be inviting a worse-case scenario. Let those guys stay out until January, if necessary. Longer for Wall, if necessary, because his future in the sport should be a lot longer. Nene's injury may just be chronic. If he rests until January and he's still not 100%, he's probably going to have to tape his ankles and go play at that point.

I think you are right about them being rushed back now, miller.

[nuposse04]

Nene's injury doesn't hurt as bad with the emergence of Seraphin (again) and the fairly surprising play of Singleton. Booker looks a little bad to start the season though. I expected better from him. The team would easily be 2-1 with Wall, and Wall of last season I think, without any major improvements. If wall does find a mid range J, the defensive effort we are giving should easily give us an 8th spot...of course health is the key factor...and knowing our track record...

[Knighthonor]

not real worried about going for 8th spot. I want them to win lotto so the team can build to replace many of these beat up vets with talent.

Need to replace Nene, Trevor Ariza, Emeka Okafor,

with Youth with skill.

Right now I see improvement mainly in

C
PF
SF

going forward like they currently are, is asking for doom, once more of them break down like Nene is doing now.

[dangermouse]

Thought Beal had an OK game. He put up better stats than I thought he did watching the game.

He'll look much better with a distrubuter on the court, but he also needs to shoot the ball and be confident when he gets looks.

[fishercob]

Bitterly disappointing loss, especially because KG is such a steaming piece of feces. There's a lot i liked.

Yes, the offense looked putrid at teams -- especially when BOS turned up the defensive pressure. You have to tip your cap to them on some of that; the KG Celtics have probably been the best defensive team in the league over the past 5 years or so. It also just wold have been a completely different story with Wall. But our defense is rounding in to form. Holding that Celtics team to 88 points in regulation is impressive. And we held them to 89 the other night.

On both ends of the floor this team is so much more watchable than those of years past. They move the ball unselfishly on offense, the defensive rotations are so much better.

Price was exposed during crunch time, yes. But he looks like a perfectly competent 10-15 mpg backup.

I think Vesely looks much better than last year. He looks to be in much better position on the defensive boards, he appears to be fouling less, and his passing is awesome. He played really well in his first half stint but was pretty lackluster in the 2H which is why I think his minutes were cut. Overall, he's looking better to me. If he can rebound well, he's a really nice complement to Seraphin.

Yes, Seraphin is struggling mighty with double teams. BUt (1) how great is it that he's drawing them (2) he'll adjust. He needs some coaching up and practice reps.

Much better game by Beal. I like his 4 boards 3 dimes, a steal and a block. He moved pretty well offensively. His mistakes really appears to be of the "rookie" variety compounded by his youth. I really like his body language and how he carries himself on the floor.

Martell Webster was a great get. Kid can play, both ends of the floor. I'd look to lock him up to a multi-year deal on the cheap and I'd start him or make him our 6th man.

OkaRiza trade still looks disastrous. Just needs to be briefly mentioned in every game thread IMO.

I continue to like Randy Wittman.

Why is Booker not playing better? Is he hurt? We need crazy energy from Trevor when we are undermanned.

Nice work from Singleton.

[Jay81]

is Derrick Favors a bust and is there a way we can trade for him?

[tontoz]

With regards to the starting lineup, i think there is someone Randy needs to talk too....

[hands11]

Fairly encouraging game, though I don't think Boston is that good of a team.

At least Beal hit some shots (needs to get much better coming off screens both with the ball and without). Also nice to see Seraphin warranting a double team and Singleton playing a solid game.

Bass and Rondo look good. I know Pierce can hit a big shot. KG is good on face up shots. Other than that Boston looks very, very ordinary.

Washington is much more athletic and IMO outplayed Boston tonight. If Seraphin, Singleton, Beal, and Price got the FTs they should have and if the refs hadn't made up stuff to give the game to Boston; I think the Wizards were EASILY the better team.

So that begs some questions.

How good is Washington and how bad are the Celtics.

I mean we are talking the Wiz almost winning at home after they give up a huge lead in the first quarter in game one at home. That game seemed winnable just by changing the starting line up. Kevins first game back. No Wall. No Nene who are their best two starter and Wall fill their greatest need.

Game two, same team but on the road. Started same crap starting line up. Limited Crawford because of a sprained ankle when ball handing penetrating is maybe their greatest weakness with Wall out. Refs give Boston a huge FT advantage. Still no Nene and they need a good to post player in crunch time. And the Wiz take them into overtime on the road.

Would it have been likely that Washington won both games if they had Wall and Nene ?

Its easy for me to see why some of us said, this is a playoff team capable of taking a run at anything from 6-8 in the playoffs. And if that is true, that is a huge leap over the team/roster they started last year.

So what was the total cost of last years team over this years team. Basically the same ?

[hands11]

My quick prediction (probably the prediction of many on this forum) is that Ted and Ernie are going to rush Wall and Nene back and get them on the court as soon as humanly possible in hopes of salvaging this season and preventing yet another lottery-bound catastrophe.

My translation: Ted and Ernie are going to rush Wall and Nene back to get them on the court as soon as humanely possible to keep Ted and Ernie from looking like ass while the Wizards lose.

Okafor and Ariza and that veteran depth Ted paid for has the Wizards poised for another lottery-bound catastrophe. Nene is hurt, as at least one or two predicted at the trade deadline last season.

My thought, miller, is if they rush them back they'll be inviting a worse-case scenario. Let those guys stay out until January, if necessary. Longer for Wall, if necessary, because his future in the sport should be a lot longer. Nene's injury may just be chronic. If he rests until January and he's still not 100%, he's probably going to have to tape his ankles and go play at that point.

I think you are right about them being rushed back now, miller.

Or, instead of their motivation being saving face and not looking like ass, a suggest the motivation is saving the season before they dig to big of a hole.

As for Nene, of course there will be pressure to bring him back sooner rather then later if the team can't win without him. The Nene injury is not one where he couldn't get on the court right now. All they are doing is keeping him out as long as possible in hopes of getting to a 99% recovery so he doesn't have to fight throw it all year. I'm confident if he takes the entire 6 months off next off season that he can get it straightened out. So if they need him out there and he is at 90%, then you get him out there now. Its better to get him out there now even if it means he misses a few more games this year because of it. Why ? Because Kevin will develop and be more capable on holding things down as time goes on. Right now, they need Nene. Players play with injuries in this league. They play of sprained ankles. Kobe plays with broken fingers.

With Wall, I predict they don't rush him back. They will wait until he is 100%. Why ? His injury can get a lot worse if they don't and Wall is a key long term piece. They would keep Wall out the entire season if they have to. I see no wiggle room in their approach to Wall. There is some with Nene.

So bring back Nene as soon as you can and go get Livingston. Or better yet, go get Livingston and see how much that helps first. That may buy you more time for Nene.

The goal is to win some now and hold out as long as possible for Nene and Wall.

[hands11]

Thought Beal had an OK game. He put up better stats than I thought he did watching the game.

He'll look much better with a distrubuter on the court, but he also needs to shoot the ball and be confident when he gets looks.

Not only will Beal look better with Wall out there, but Webster's shot is going to be wet. Webster looks really good when he has his feet set. Both will get more looks like that with Wall. Same if true for Martin.

They just need to go get Livingston. It helps now and it helps when Wall returns. When Wall returns you have

Wall and Livingston and you can cut one or both of Price and Pargo.