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Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#261 » by montestewart » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:49 am

theboomking wrote:With regards to Lamb vs Beal, the Thunder wanted to trade for Beal, after drafting Lamb. I think that says enough.

Secondarily, if the Thunder are interested in Len, maybe he wouldn't be such a bad choice. They tend to draft well, even if they don't retain talent.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... igher-Pick

I thought they wanted to trade Harden for Beal, and when that deal fell through, they traded Harden to the Rockets and Lamb came back to the Thunder in that trade.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#262 » by Deeptu McPullup » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:52 am

Severn Hoos wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I want really hope they take Porter.

I have a growing belief the pick is gonna be Bennett though.

I just keep thinking about the report about Bennett going out to dinner with Grunfeld and Wittman. I can just imagine Ernie having such a great time, laying out his plan, and the easily impressed Bennett telling them he's their guy. Ernie having visions of grandeur while gulping down lasagna.


See, Ernie's responsible for Bennett's weight gain, too! Is there nothing that man can't bungle?


Ernie is a step ahead: he was worried that Bennet'd get picked by Orlando or Cleveland and wanted him to drop.

I just worry it might have worked too well. He'll be walking across the stage to shake Stern's hand with a Wizards cap on and drops right through the floor as it gives way under his country fried 265. Lands on his shoulder, most like; Wizards' luck.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#263 » by Knighthonor » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:02 am

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Severn Hoos wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I want really hope they take Porter.

I have a growing belief the pick is gonna be Bennett though.

I just keep thinking about the report about Bennett going out to dinner with Grunfeld and Wittman. I can just imagine Ernie having such a great time, laying out his plan, and the easily impressed Bennett telling them he's their guy. Ernie having visions of grandeur while gulping down lasagna.


See, Ernie's responsible for Bennett's weight gain, too! Is there nothing that man can't bungle?


Ernie is a step ahead: he was worried that Bennet'd get picked by Orlando or Cleveland and wanted him to drop.

I just worry it might have worked too well. He'll be walking across the stage to shake Stern's hand with a Wizards cap on and drops right through the floor as it gives way under his country fried 265. Lands on his shoulder, most like; Wizards' luck.
imagine him driving and dunking on scrubs with that weight. He would be unstoppable.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#264 » by montestewart » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:08 am

Imagine him driving to Dunkin Donuts with that weight. You know he'd be using that explosive first step to finish through contact.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#265 » by stevemcqueen1 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:10 am

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stevemcqueen1 wrote:Beal wasn't a no brainer. A lot of people wanted other players at that spot, Drummond, MKG, TRob, etc.

Wall also wasn't necessarily the no brainer people think he was today. A lot of people loved Evan Turner.

Anyway, I found it interesting that Beal has been kind of an ambassador for the team to young players in the class. He has connections to both McLemore and Porter and Bennett said Beal reached out to him and told him about how much he loves playing here. It was cool to hear about Beal being proactive and pursuing a personal relationship with these guys. I think he's an amazing teammate.

A lot of young players already want to play with Wall, he's been mentioned as the reason these guys want to play here since 2011. Beal can be another guy who helps ease the transition of whomever we draft.

We've got a nice thing brewing.


The last three posts eco my view. This is how you get better player development. Beal was the first to benefit except things were a bit of a mess to start the season.

The next to arrive will have it even better.

That said, Otto clearly will take less hand holding then Bennett. Same with Otto, Zeller and Burke.


Yeah, Otto will be fine no matter where he goes probablu. He's smart and mature and just does what he needs to.

Bennett will probably need to be well tended by the vets and leaders. The coach might have to wrestle with him for a while. But if you are patient with him and put the work in to develop him, you could end up with something special.

It's funny, in some ways Bennett is ahead of Porter because of his background playing AAU and for the Canadian teams. Then in other ways Porter is ahead because he didn't do those things, and played for a great program and a great coach that taught him to play in a system, taught him to play off the ball.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#266 » by Deeptu McPullup » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:17 am

montestewart wrote:Imagine him driving to Dunkin Donuts with that weight. You know he'd be using that explosive first step to finish through contact.


He'd be cutting through defenses like a bear claw.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#267 » by wake20 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:22 am

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More draft intrigue from Cavs! Hearing, somewhat convincingly, that owner Dan Gilbert loves Victor Oladipo. Me too @cavsdan!!!

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Working on Mock 7.0. Team A convinced: 1. Len 2. McLemore 3. Bennett Team B: 1. Noel 2. Oladipo 3. Porter. It's going to be a long night
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#268 » by stevemcqueen1 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:24 am

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theboomking wrote:With regards to Lamb vs Beal, the Thunder wanted to trade for Beal, after drafting Lamb. I think that says enough.

Secondarily, if the Thunder are interested in Len, maybe he wouldn't be such a bad choice. They tend to draft well, even if they don't retain talent.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... igher-Pick

I thought they wanted to trade Harden for Beal, and when that deal fell through, they traded Harden to the Rockets and Lamb came back to the Thunder in that trade.


Yeah, Houston drafted Lamb. They traded him with KMart and something else for Harden and some stuff.

It ended up being an even more lopsided trade than it seemed like at the time.

Think of how much better getting Beal would have been for OKC.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#269 » by hands11 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:35 am

Cleveland is taking Len

In fact Cleveland has the structure in place to help any big man blossom with assistant coach Jamal Mosely, who was critical in helping Tristan Thompson develop, along with Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Vitaly Potapenko, Len's countryman from the Ukraine. Cleveland GM Chris Grant loves bigs who can score and Len is by the most polished scorer at his position.

Orl and OKC are trying to do a deal so OKC gets Porter

Wizards are rumored to not want Noel, that means they go Bennett who is reported high on their list.

I would rather they take Burke, McLemore, VO, Zeller trade down, so something.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#270 » by stevemcqueen1 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:50 am

Dark Faze wrote:I'm willing to admit that I liked MKG over Beal, but lets remember Beal was being sold on being a knock down shooter who had very average shooting numbers and MKG had a don't lose at any cost mentality to his game.

I made a mistake and think Beal is the better prospect now but it's not like MKG would have killed us. We'd probably be choosing McLemore instead of Porter or Bennett and I think Wall/McLemore/MKG has the potential to be an awesome core.

But yea, I prefer Wall/Beal/Porter quite a bit. Less overall athletic upside but much better above the shoulders and probably ends up being better at the end of the day.


I was on the Beal bandwagon early. The IQ, toughness, nasty streak, smooth athleticism, and the good NBA body all were huge pluses for me. He was a clean prospect who had consistently shown he was the best guard in his class in almost all competition he participated in. I liked him over Rivers and Lamb very early on and by the time the draft came around there wasn't a doubt in my mind he was far better than those two.

I wasn't worried about his shooting at all because he has a perfect shot. I didn't care about the percentages. The only concern I had with him was his ability to create offense off the dribble. But he reminded me so much of Ray Allen, down to the way he looked and moved on the court, I thought he'd still be able to score plenty.

I liked MKG in general but not as much as a fit for us. I thought that Beal was a better fit for us. I liked Drummond but had no faith in our ability to develop him, he was basically nothing more than an awesome body. Still isn't really. I loved Davis, was bummed out that we had no chance at him. He was the wire to wire #1.

I actually liked Barnes and Sullinger too, just definitely not anywhere close to three. I thought they went about where they should have. Didn't like Lamb. Didn't like Meyers Leonard. Didn't like Rivers much, thought he was a bit of a punk. Didn't like Perry Jones at all, wasn't surprised when he plummeted.

The player that was a blind spot for me was TRob. I liked him as much as Beal and would have been happy with either one at 3. I was fooled by his production last year. Fooled by him leading his team to the Finals. Fooled by his NBA ready body and his terrific athleticism. By his elite motor and how he ran the floor even harder and played with even more energy than MKG. By the DC connection and the touching life story. We needed rebounding so bad and we needed a true PF, so his position value was high.

Damn, still don't even see how he's been such a bust so far. Junior one year wonders, cough Oladipo, cough cough Olynyk.

To be fair, he got a bad break. It's tough to succeed when the team that drafts you doesn't invest in you at all. And then your second team is just trying to use you as a chip to get a star. Maybe he ends up in a stable situation the third time around and takes to his new digs.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#271 » by Ironpanthr » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:52 am

hands11 wrote:Cleveland is taking Len

In fact Cleveland has the structure in place to help any big man blossom with assistant coach Jamal Mosely, who was critical in helping Tristan Thompson develop, along with Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Vitaly Potapenko, Len's countryman from the Ukraine. Cleveland GM Chris Grant loves bigs who can score and Len is by the most polished scorer at his position.

Orl and OKC are trying to do a deal so OKC gets Porter

Wizards are rumored to not want Noel, that means they go Bennett who is reported high on their list.

I would rather they take Burke, McLemore, VO, Zeller trade down, so something.



I know your theory on stockpiling talent, even if it means using a high pick to draft a reserve, but I can't see OKC trading up to draft a small forward to play 10 minutes behind Durant (and a few more if KD slides over to the 4). Much more likely that they take a 2 guard if they aren't sold on Lamb, or take another chance on a 7 footer, which Presti has a long history of doing.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#272 » by Knighthonor » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:09 am

This bleep getting serious.
http://www.draftexpress.com/ has the wiz taking Porter
And http://www.nbadraft.net/ has the Wiz taking Bennett
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#273 » by truwizfan4evr » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:28 am

Knighthonor wrote:This bleep getting serious.
http://www.draftexpress.com/ has the wiz taking Porter
And http://www.nbadraft.net/ has the Wiz taking Bennett
I want Porter by a long shot.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#274 » by 80sballboy » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:38 am

Knighthonor wrote:This bleep getting serious.
http://www.draftexpress.com/ has the wiz taking Porter
And http://www.nbadraft.net/ has the Wiz taking Bennett


Both are guesses. Chad Ford hasn't even been locked in on this draft. He might have a clue later today. Orlando and Cleveland are playing possum. WTF knows what's going to happen. I do believe OKC is trying to move up. Presti is trying to make up for Harden fiasco I guess.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#275 » by hands11 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:41 am

Ironpanthr wrote:
hands11 wrote:Cleveland is taking Len

In fact Cleveland has the structure in place to help any big man blossom with assistant coach Jamal Mosely, who was critical in helping Tristan Thompson develop, along with Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Vitaly Potapenko, Len's countryman from the Ukraine. Cleveland GM Chris Grant loves bigs who can score and Len is by the most polished scorer at his position.

Orl and OKC are trying to do a deal so OKC gets Porter

Wizards are rumored to not want Noel, that means they go Bennett who is reported high on their list.

I would rather they take Burke, McLemore, VO, Zeller trade down, so something.


I know your theory on stockpiling talent, even if it means using a high pick to draft a reserve, but I can't see OKC trading up to draft a small forward to play 10 minutes behind Durant (and a few more if KD slides over to the 4). Much more likely that they take a 2 guard if they aren't sold on Lamb, or take another chance on a 7 footer, which Presti has a long history of doing.


Maybe I read something wrong about Otto and OKC. Actually, they wanted to trade up for Len.

The Cats where looking to move MKG so they could get Porter.

I kind of wish we had our old pick. Then we could just draft CJM who is a combo PG/SG which is what we need. Or we could grab Zeller or Burke. All would be good value down in the 8th, 9th slot.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#276 » by FAH1223 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:51 am

Hands,

OKC is trying to move up to take Len. They are trying to dump Perkins in the process as well as using both of their 1st round picks.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#277 » by Knighthonor » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:06 am

Why not just trade those picks for lotto teams in next years draft for better chance to get Wiggins to replace harden.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#278 » by truwizfan4evr » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:12 am

Knighthonor wrote:Why not just trade those picks for lotto teams in next years draft for better chance to get Wiggins to replace harden.

No one going to trade there next year picks.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#279 » by nuposse04 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:32 am

Knighthonor wrote:This bleep getting serious.
http://www.draftexpress.com/ has the wiz taking Porter
And http://www.nbadraft.net/ has the Wiz taking Bennett


I use to like nbadraft.net...then I realized they're a bunch of retards over there. Hell that had us taking McLemore at one point.

I'd be ecstatic if Noel dropped to us. I have my doubts that he gets past ORL unless they're getting something quite good in return. I still think Len COULD be the best player in this draft but his dividends are a bit down the line...he'd better served on a team like Phx or Cha which will probably suck for 2 more seasons.

Btw, I was checking out the 2006 draft class, good lord that one was awful. I think that one was worse then this one tbh.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#280 » by thinker07 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:02 am

I haven't seen the issue of Bennett only playing basketball since he was 13 being discussed in this thread. Although he is older than Porter, the theory goes that he is younger basketball-wise. Another reason he is considered to have such upside.

I think teams also understand that UNLV runs a program like a super glorified AAU team. Again people see it as a positive that Bennett hasn't gotten high level coaching though out- meaning he has more room to improve with good coaching.

To the board gurus: what weight do you place on these factors?

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