Is Wall Top 5 PG?

hands11 · Post #261 » by **hands11** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:58 am

Brenice wrote:In the real world, Wall is top 5. In Realgm(outside of the Wizards Forum), all the stat geeks give lil acknowledgement to PG defense and its impact on the game and they don't rate him as high.

In reality though, he still has to make his mark in the playoffs. He has to be able to not lose confidence in his jumper in the playoffs. Teams will do him just like they do LeBron, go under the pick and leave him open. That's his test. He is fine in the regular season. When the playoffs start and games are really pressurized, he can't be reluctant.

He has all year to work on gaining more faith in it. Right now, he seems to have a lot of confidence in this shot.

As for last years playoffs, I wouldn't use that as much of a gauge. He had a lot on his plate running the offense and defending.

cammac · Post #262 » by **cammac** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:28 pm

hands11 wrote:
Brenice wrote:In the real world, Wall is top 5. In Realgm(outside of the Wizards Forum), all the stat geeks give lil acknowledgement to PG defense and its impact on the game and they don't rate him as high.

In reality though, he still has to make his mark in the playoffs. He has to be able to not lose confidence in his jumper in the playoffs. Teams will do him just like they do LeBron, go under the pick and leave him open. That's his test. He is fine in the regular season. When the playoffs start and games are really pressurized, he can't be reluctant.

He has all year to work on gaining more faith in it. Right now, he seems to have a lot of confidence in this shot.

As for last years playoffs, I wouldn't use that as much of a gauge. He had a lot on his plate running the offense and defending.

He is no worse than 6th best either Lillard or him for 5th.
Stevenson
Curry
Paul
Lowry

They are top 4

dckingsfan · Post #263 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:14 pm

I think he is the best defensive PG in the league.

Dark Faze · Post #264 » by **Dark Faze** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:35 pm

He's starting to find out how to act the rim now as well, specifically in the half court.

It's shocking how much he's learned since his rookie year.

Post #265 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:38 pm

cammac wrote:
hands11 wrote:
Brenice wrote:In the real world, Wall is top 5. In Realgm(outside of the Wizards Forum), all the stat geeks give lil acknowledgement to PG defense and its impact on the game and they don't rate him as high.

In reality though, he still has to make his mark in the playoffs. He has to be able to not lose confidence in his jumper in the playoffs. Teams will do him just like they do LeBron, go under the pick and leave him open. That's his test. He is fine in the regular season. When the playoffs start and games are really pressurized, he can't be reluctant.

He has all year to work on gaining more faith in it. Right now, he seems to have a lot of confidence in this shot.

As for last years playoffs, I wouldn't use that as much of a gauge. He had a lot on his plate running the offense and defending.

He is no worse than 6th best either Lillard or him for 5th.
Stevenson
Curry
Paul
Lowry

They are top 4

Stevenson who?

Ironpanthr · Post #266 » by **Ironpanthr** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:49 pm

cammac wrote:
hands11 wrote:
Brenice wrote:In the real world, Wall is top 5. In Realgm(outside of the Wizards Forum), all the stat geeks give lil acknowledgement to PG defense and its impact on the game and they don't rate him as high.

In reality though, he still has to make his mark in the playoffs. He has to be able to not lose confidence in his jumper in the playoffs. Teams will do him just like they do LeBron, go under the pick and leave him open. That's his test. He is fine in the regular season. When the playoffs start and games are really pressurized, he can't be reluctant.

He has all year to work on gaining more faith in it. Right now, he seems to have a lot of confidence in this shot.

As for last years playoffs, I wouldn't use that as much of a gauge. He had a lot on his plate running the offense and defending.

He is no worse than 6th best either Lillard or him for 5th.
Stevenson
Curry
Paul
Lowry

They are top 4

So Lowry above Wall is a fact now?

And who is Stevenson?

And where is Westbrook?

jangles86 · Post #267 » by **jangles86** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:55 pm

Right now I've got Wall at 6th in the MVP race and could move ahead of Davis Paul and Gasol if he keeps this form up.
1.Curry
2.Harden
3.Davis
4.Gasol
5.Paul
6.Wall
7.Lowry
8.Lillard
9.LBJ
10.LMA

jangles86 · Post #268 » by **jangles86** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:02 pm

Ironpanthr wrote:
cammac wrote:
hands11 wrote:
He has all year to work on gaining more faith in it. Right now, he seems to have a lot of confidence in this shot.

As for last years playoffs, I wouldn't use that as much of a gauge. He had a lot on his plate running the offense and defending.

He is no worse than 6th best either Lillard or him for 5th.
Stevenson
Curry
Paul
Lowry

They are top 4

So Lowry above Wall is a fact now?

And who is Stevenson?

And where is Westbrook?

I think by Stevenson he means Lance Stephenson, which just makes his post even funnier.

tontoz · Post #269 » by **tontoz** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:09 pm

Ruzious wrote:Stevenson who?

Bulter's cousin

Kanyewest · Post #270 » by **Kanyewest** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:58 pm

jangles86 wrote:Right now I've got Wall at 6th in the MVP race and could move ahead of Davis Paul and Gasol if he keeps this form up.
1.Curry
2.Harden
3.Davis
4.Gasol
5.Paul
6.Wall
7.Lowry
8.Lillard
9.LBJ
10.LMA

With the Clippers losing the Wizards and the Bucks, CP3 could be behind Wall at this point. Then again, Lowry has the Raptors at a better record so he's probably ahead of Wall for now, but could slip if the Raptors lose a couple of games. We are still barely a quarter through the season, so a 3 game losing streak for the Wizards could potentially leave Wall out of the top 10.

Nivek · Post #271 » by **Nivek** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:10 pm

I love Wall, but I don't see him as an MVP candidate yet.

Post #272 » by **pineappleheadindc** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:16 pm

jangles86 wrote:
Ironpanthr wrote:
cammac wrote:
He is no worse than 6th best either Lillard or him for 5th.
Stevenson
Curry
Paul
Lowry

They are top 4

So Lowry above Wall is a fact now?

And who is Stevenson?

And where is Westbrook?

I think by Stevenson he means Lance Stephenson, which just makes his post even funnier.

The poster "cammac" thinks that Lance Stephenson is the best point guard in the NBA????

Wow....just wow.

DirtybirdGA · Post #273 » by **DirtybirdGA** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:20 pm

Just wanna say glad to see Wall improve... and Cowherd has come around listening a brief clip... I remember him getting on him all because he "dougied" on opening night in his rookie year during intros, and saying something like that's a look at me move, and would be a Steve Francis/ Marbury guy.

Shanghai Kid · Post #274 » by **Shanghai Kid** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:01 am

Wall's numbers in December are significantly better than he's been in the past. If he can maintain this current level through this season and into the playoffs, he will certainly be conensus top 5 point guard.

Shanghai Kid · Post #275 » by **Shanghai Kid** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:08 am

Anybody know what John Wall's PER has been in Dec? He's had to have been at an elite level this month.

Post #276 » by **nate33** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:33 am

Shanghai Kid wrote:Anybody know what John Wall's PER has been in Dec? He's had to have been at an elite level this month.

December PER is 22.6. Does not include Minny game.

His December ORtg is a rock solid 109.5.

jangles86 · Post #277 » by **jangles86** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:40 am

Nivek wrote:I love Wall, but I don't see him as an MVP candidate yet.

Can I ask why nivek? I respect your opinion. I don't think he'd be above Curry or Harden but I think there aren't to many else who are comfortably above him. He has the team record, the raw stats, the likeability, the leader of the team. He has all the credits to be MVP.

hands11 · Post #278 » by **hands11** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:58 am

Two 17 assist games in the last 5 games.

Dude is just tearing it up over the 9 games of December averaging 12.8 assist 16.8 pts 1.5 blocks 2.0 steals

8-1 record

WALLSTAR

CobraCommander · Post #279 » by **CobraCommander** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:03 am

pineappleheadindc wrote:
jangles86 wrote:
Ironpanthr wrote:jj

So Lowry above Wall is a fact now?

And who is Stevenson?

And where is Westbrook?

I think by Stevenson he means Lance Stephenson, which just makes his post even funnier.

The poster "cammac" thinks that Lance Stephenson is the best point guard in the NBA????

Wow....just wow.

Sometimes you read something and think.... Hmmmm what he just said invalidated anything he said on this subject snd maybe any other subject in the future. Lol

CobraCommander · Post #280 » by **CobraCommander** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:15 am

On walls current run Wall is second to only Curry. I say this because he is playing at level only short of Curry. Wall clearly out played Paul and Rondo last week - while leading his team to victories.

You will notice that in the past I said it was curry then Paul and 5 or 6 other guys could legitimatly argue for the next 3 spots in top 5. Wall, Lowery, Westbrook, Lillard,Parker and possibly Rondo for a 6th. I believe each of these 6 guys could have hot weeks or months. With Conley leading the next tier of points.

Right now WallStar is number 2 - But no way on gods green earth can he keep this up.... Right!?!?