2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[gambitx777]

I would absolutely trade Beal for Noel no questions asked, hell even straight up... Okafor would have to come with a pick since I think he is a travesty on defense and I have my doubts he ever becomes a two way player... but he is young... so I guess I am suppose to give him the benefit of the doubt :/ ... I don't think I would even consider Embiid at this point to be honest. Not unless multiple picks are attached to him.

I would try to extract Holmes from Philly, liked him pre draft and think he was solid for a 2nd rounder in his rookie season on an abominable team. I believe Christian Wood also signed with philly towards season end, I'm sure BC will go a more "veteran" route like our boy wonder of a GM...so perhaps he can be picked up for a vet minimum as well.

Truth be told my primary target with philly might be Richaun Holmes though. Since I think he might be the most realistic grab.

I think we need to have the mind set that we are ready to let beal walk, if philly wants beal and beal wants to go then we can shot for a S&T because I think we should let him walk over paying him the max.
If that is our mind set, then take what you can get from philly, Noel straight up, Noel and a late round pick, Embid and a 2 firsts of their loto pick. covington and a pick, homes and a pick, a couple of picks. Take what you can get. I would take embid and come picks because think of it this way, if beal signs an offer sheet with philly for the max, and we don't want to pay him and we let him walk we get nothing. might as well take embid while they are selling him low and maybe we get lucky and if not we still get a pick with him because you are ultimately letting him walk regardless.

[Ruzious]

I would absolutely trade Beal for Noel no questions asked, hell even straight up... Okafor would have to come with a pick since I think he is a travesty on defense and I have my doubts he ever becomes a two way player... but he is young... so I guess I am suppose to give him the benefit of the doubt :/ ... I don't think I would even consider Embiid at this point to be honest. Not unless multiple picks are attached to him.

I would try to extract Holmes from Philly, liked him pre draft and think he was solid for a 2nd rounder in his rookie season on an abominable team. I believe Christian Wood also signed with philly towards season end, I'm sure BC will go a more "veteran" route like our boy wonder of a GM...so perhaps he can be picked up for a vet minimum as well.

Truth be told my primary target with philly might be Richaun Holmes though. Since I think he might be the most realistic grab.

I think we need to have the mind set that we are ready to let beal walk, if philly wants beal and beal wants to go then we can shot for a S&T because I think we should let him walk over paying him the max.
If that is our mind set, then take what you can get from philly, Noel straight up, Noel and a late round pick, Embid and a 2 firsts of their loto pick. covington and a pick, homes and a pick, a couple of picks. Take what you can get. I would take embid and come picks because think of it this way, if beal signs an offer sheet with philly for the max, and we don't want to pay him and we let him walk we get nothing. might as well take embid while they are selling him low and maybe we get lucky and if not we still get a pick with him because you are ultimately letting him walk regardless.

Another nice asset Philly has is nuturing overseas - http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dario-Saric-5706/stats/ - though I'm guessing they would much prefer to keep him.

In dealing with Philly and Beal, I can see it going this way: Philly offers him a near max deal. Washington decides it has to match, but... Philly can convince Washington to do a sign and trade. Philly isn't going to offer full market to Washington, but I could see them offering Holmes and Covington. And that might be enough for Washington to say - Ok, let's do the S&T. I don't think Holmes and Covington will ever be great, but they're cheap athletic forwards with some versatility and 3 point shooting ability.

[dckingsfan]

The subject of this thread should now be: 2016 Offseason Thread -- NOT #KD2DC

Cause he ain't coming...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I would absolutely trade Beal for Noel no questions asked, hell even straight up... Okafor would have to come with a pick since I think he is a travesty on defense and I have my doubts he ever becomes a two way player... but he is young... so I guess I am suppose to give him the benefit of the doubt :/ ... I don't think I would even consider Embiid at this point to be honest. Not unless multiple picks are attached to him.

I would try to extract Holmes from Philly, liked him pre draft and think he was solid for a 2nd rounder in his rookie season on an abominable team. I believe Christian Wood also signed with philly towards season end, I'm sure BC will go a more "veteran" route like our boy wonder of a GM...so perhaps he can be picked up for a vet minimum as well.

Truth be told my primary target with philly might be Richaun Holmes though. Since I think he might be the most realistic grab.

I think we need to have the mind set that we are ready to let beal walk, if philly wants beal and beal wants to go then we can shot for a S&T because I think we should let him walk over paying him the max.
If that is our mind set, then take what you can get from philly, Noel straight up, Noel and a late round pick, Embid and a 2 firsts of their loto pick. covington and a pick, homes and a pick, a couple of picks. Take what you can get. I would take embid and come picks because think of it this way, if beal signs an offer sheet with philly for the max, and we don't want to pay him and we let him walk we get nothing. might as well take embid while they are selling him low and maybe we get lucky and if not we still get a pick with him because you are ultimately letting him walk regardless.

Another nice asset Philly has is nuturing overseas - http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dario-Saric-5706/stats/ - though I'm guessing they would much prefer to keep him.

In dealing with Philly and Beal, I can see it going this way: Philly offers him a near max deal. Washington decides it has to match, but... Philly can convince Washington to do a sign and trade. Philly isn't going to offer full market to Washington, but I could see them offering Holmes and Covington. And that might be enough for Washington to say - Ok, let's do the S&T. I don't think Holmes and Covington will ever be great, but they're cheap athletic forwards with some versatility and 3 point shooting ability.

No.

There are 96 minutes available to SF and PF. The Wizards have two players set to log at least 60-65 minutes combined in Morris and Porter. If Oubre plays 15 minutes that leaves a combined 16-21 minutes for guys who each average that much playing time now. Adding Holmes and Covington would be bad roster construction and guaranteed diminishing returns.

Don't trade Beal for anything but a replacement value SG or a young C like Noel.

[Ruzious]

I see what you're saying and don't totally disagree, but you can always make another trade - especially when both of them are young players with cheap contracts. I'd focus on getting the most value for Beal, and then balance the roster.

[gambitx777]

No.

There are 96 minutes available to SF and PF. The Wizards have two players set to log at least 60-65 minutes combined in Morris and Porter. If Oubre plays 15 minutes that leaves a combined 16-21 minutes for guys who each average that much playing time now. Adding Holmes and Covington would be bad roster construction and guaranteed diminishing returns.

Don't trade Beal for anything but a replacement value SG or a young C like Noel.

I don't agree with you, because if you have a number set that you are not going to go over for beal and philly offers that number, but you bluff your way into a trade you take what ever you can get because it's better than nothing. Two young player that you can then trade away if you need to is ok by me. You never turn away depth. Obviously you go for Noel or Embid. I think its realistic that they trade embid and a pick for beal, think about it. You get a pick for beal which it more than nothing and you get a big unknown with embid that could turn out great or could go south and if it does you are not paying him all that much and you are not really out anything since you were letting him walk anyway.

[bwgood77]

So the Suns drafted a guy a few years ago, Bogdan Bogdanovich who has been playing well for this team http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=ULK

and he has talked about how there is a chance he will come over to the NBA with a teammate (said this after Suns exec visit) and the speculation is that it might be Jan Vesely.

So if that's the case, how excited should I be? That's a joke.

But some international fans say he is integral part to their team and he has said that today he would be much more ready for the NBA than the first time around where he learned what it takes.

Not that I expect much if he were to come, but thought you might be interested. Though I'm sure it would be a bit painful to see him amount to anything in the NBA elsewhere. Especially if he became a nice replacement for Markieff.

[payitforward]

1. Satoransky: no, we can't just "bring him over." We'll have to buy him out and give him a multi-year, guaranteed contract -- for more than he's just signed to make in Europe. That's more than you have to give a top ten pick that you're so sure he'd be. Sacramento, Toronto & Milwaukee have the 8, 9 & 10 picks this year. Do you think any of them would trade their pick for "the rights to Tomas Satoransky", which is what we have?

2. Aaron White: "has become a solid shot blocker... in Europe" -- he has 2 blocked shots in 251 minutes. You want to "give him a chance as a back up 5" because he can't play the 4? He's 6'8" and 220 lbs. Aaron White is not an NBA Center.

3. Vesely... Yi... : We're going backwards, so why not revisit guys who didn't stick the last time? Is that the idea? Btw, there's no reason for Vesely to come here if he were to come back to the NBA. We don't have his rights, and he didn't enjoy himself as a Wizard.

Caramba!

Piff you were not paying attention to my post, As we have been talking about in the other threads, buying out sato and giving him a guaranteed contract is a very smart move. it won't be more than 5 mill a year for 3-5 years and that is a very small risk to take on a very good and experience young player.
I was not talking about Aaron white in the post about a back up center, We were talking about Jan, I want to give Jan a shot to be our back up 5, he has added muscle, he is still athletic and as I said he has become a solid shot blocker and rebounder in Europe.
The point of revisiting guys is because guys get better and figure it out. Thats what happened with Whiteside. Looking at their production overseas, both Jan and Yi should be solid nba bench players at the very least now. All we were saying is it would be worth it to give Jan a call and have that conversation with him.

The fact is we traded our first for a decent player, was he worth a first no, is he a decent player yeah. Now we need to make the best of it. Sato and White are two players we have the rights too and it is very possible to bring them both over this year. both fill needs, both are young and both are going to be relatively inexpensive. We need to get creative finding depth and calling up Jan or Yi to come in and provide depth is not a horrible choice considering both have gotten a lot better and both are under 30.

Oh duh --- you're right. I was asleep on that one and mixed up Vesely and White! Sorry....

You're right that we'd have to guarantee Sato after we bought him out, and I suppose you are right as well that say $20m is what it would take. But my point about that was your comparing him to a top-10 pick in this draft. You don't have to guarantee $20m to that guy, and I'd say he'd be less of a risk than Sato. Then again, this is academic; it looks like he isn't coming.

This -- "The point of revisiting guys is because guys get better and figure it out. Thats what happened with Whiteside." -- is certainly correct. Why else would you revisit them? But maybe you can give me 3 examples other than Whiteside? Guys who were flushed out of the league, went to Europe or Asia, and then returned and had good NBA careers? Beasley might become another example, but it's too early to use him, sorry.

[payitforward]

I think we need to have the mind set that we are ready to let beal walk, if philly wants beal and beal wants to go then we can shot for a S&T because I think we should let him walk over paying him the max.
If that is our mind set, then take what you can get from philly, Noel straight up, Noel and a late round pick, Embid and a 2 firsts of their loto pick. covington and a pick, homes and a pick, a couple of picks. Take what you can get. I would take embid and come picks because think of it this way, if beal signs an offer sheet with philly for the max, and we don't want to pay him and we let him walk we get nothing. might as well take embid while they are selling him low and maybe we get lucky and if not we still get a pick with him because you are ultimately letting him walk regardless.

Another nice asset Philly has is nuturing overseas - http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dario-Saric-5706/stats/ - though I'm guessing they would much prefer to keep him.

In dealing with Philly and Beal, I can see it going this way: Philly offers him a near max deal. Washington decides it has to match, but... Philly can convince Washington to do a sign and trade. Philly isn't going to offer full market to Washington, but I could see them offering Holmes and Covington. And that might be enough for Washington to say - Ok, let's do the S&T. I don't think Holmes and Covington will ever be great, but they're cheap athletic forwards with some versatility and 3 point shooting ability.

No.

There are 96 minutes available to SF and PF. The Wizards have two players set to log at least 60-65 minutes combined in Morris and Porter. If Oubre plays 15 minutes that leaves a combined 16-21 minutes for guys who each average that much playing time now. Adding Holmes and Covington would be bad roster construction and guaranteed diminishing returns.

Don't trade Beal for anything but a replacement value SG or a young C like Noel.

Saric is said to be coming over this season.

But, CCJ, I don't follow w/ you on this one: we only have 5 players under contract other than Beal. And we definitely need youth too. I don't think it's a question of roster construction. If Noel came here, he'd need minutes too, and not just leftovers from Gortat. Plus, we need to give Morris fewer minutes, way fewer minutes.

Plus -- either we deal Bradley, or we'll pay him max. That's a big risk -- though it's certainly possible he could improve enough to be worth it.

But I think the assets Philly is likely to under-rate is their draft choices. My target would be Noel and their 2 low R1 picks.

[Weganator]

So the Suns drafted a guy a few years ago, Bogdan Bogdanovich who has been playing well for this team http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=ULK

and he has talked about how there is a chance he will come over to the NBA with a teammate (said this after Suns exec visit) and the speculation is that it might be Jan Vesely.

So if that's the case, how excited should I be? That's a joke.

But some international fans say he is integral part to their team and he has said that today he would be much more ready for the NBA than the first time around where he learned what it takes.

Not that I expect much if he were to come, but thought you might be interested. Though I'm sure it would be a bit painful to see him amount to anything in the NBA elsewhere. Especially if he became a nice replacement for Markieff.

I have a post I made in here a day or two that goes into it in more detail, but I think he is going to turn in to a good small ball 5. To the point where his being a bust is more of a product the wizards coaching / organization than him as a player.

[bwgood77]

So the Suns drafted a guy a few years ago, Bogdan Bogdanovich who has been playing well for this team http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=ULK

and he has talked about how there is a chance he will come over to the NBA with a teammate (said this after Suns exec visit) and the speculation is that it might be Jan Vesely.

So if that's the case, how excited should I be? That's a joke.

But some international fans say he is integral part to their team and he has said that today he would be much more ready for the NBA than the first time around where he learned what it takes.

Not that I expect much if he were to come, but thought you might be interested. Though I'm sure it would be a bit painful to see him amount to anything in the NBA elsewhere. Especially if he became a nice replacement for Markieff.

I have a post I made in here a day or two that goes into it in more detail, but I think he is going to turn in to a good small ball 5. To the point where his being a bust is more of a product the wizards coaching / organization than him as a player.

A day or two ago? In this thread or another one? Can you link to it?

[Weganator]

viewtopic.php?p=47101189#p47101189

My bad, just started posting more regularly.

[Sluggerface]

So the Suns drafted a guy a few years ago, Bogdan Bogdanovich who has been playing well for this team http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=ULK

and he has talked about how there is a chance he will come over to the NBA with a teammate (said this after Suns exec visit) and the speculation is that it might be Jan Vesely.

So if that's the case, how excited should I be? That's a joke.

But some international fans say he is integral part to their team and he has said that today he would be much more ready for the NBA than the first time around where he learned what it takes.

Not that I expect much if he were to come, but thought you might be interested. Though I'm sure it would be a bit painful to see him amount to anything in the NBA elsewhere. Especially if he became a nice replacement for Markieff.

I have a post I made in here a day or two that goes into it in more detail, but I think he is going to turn in to a good small ball 5. To the point where his being a bust is more of a product the wizards coaching / organization than him as a player.

I don't think he was ever that bad to begin with. He was never top 6, not even top 15 pick good, but he was a player imo. One of the teams best pick and roll defenders. Just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I mean Denver was going to offer him a new contract, but Jan wanted to be closer to home (and better pay).

[payitforward]

I agree. The problem is that it was a blown pick -- much better players were available, and we were pointing to them here. And it was compounded by Ernie going on to blow the #18 pick as well. And then blowing the #34 pick by taking Mack, giving him no time to develop, then waiving him and watching him turn into a reasonably valuable asset as a backup PG.

I can easily imagine Vesely succeeding w/ the Suns. Hope he comes over and that's what happens.

[thricethefun]

At this point i'm thinking we should wait and go all in for the 2018 offseason. Free agents that year include Cousins, Paul George, James Harden, Deandre Jordan. Imagine Cousins signs here first with John recruiting him then we go after Paul George. Wall, George, Cousins would be a nasty big 3.

[dckingsfan]

http://hoopshype.com/storyline/ryan-anderson-to-wizards/

[payitforward]

http://hoopshype.com/storyline/ryan-anderson-to-wizards/

Well, we were right not to give a R1 pick for Anderson, given he'll be unrestricted soon. Then again, we did give one up for Morris whom nobody cared about, and we gave a R1 pick for a 1-season rental on Gortat (and an extra $7m too, btw).

But my favorite piece in the linked story line is that we inquired about trading to get Trevor Booker back on the Wizards. First get nothing for him, then give something to get him back....?

[dckingsfan]

haha - trade back for Booker - that is really too funny. And yes, we could have kept our r1 pick. Morris would still be available. But we would have been better off with Anderson regardless...

[payitforward]

I don't think Anderson is nearly the player he gets credit for being, which makes me think he's perfect for Ernie who will give him a ton of money.

In fact, I don't think he's particularly an upgrade from Jared Dudley. He scores more, yes, but Dudley is substantially more efficient (much better FG% - both 3 pt. and 2 pt.). Anderson is a better rebounder, but he isn't a good one.

Last season, Dudley took 9.3 FGAs every 40 minutes and scored 10.3 points with them. Anderson took 18.5 FGAs and scored 17.9 pts with them. IOW, his extra 9.2 FGAs netted 7.6 extra points.

Anderson narrowed the efficiency gap by getting to the line more, and shooting better when there, but all the same his TS% was 54.6% to Dudley's 60.2%.

At the same time, it's not a great comparison because Dudley is not a PF, should not play there, and usually hasn't. He'd be quite effective backing up the 2 and 3 for us; those are the positions he's mostly played in his over 16,000 NBA minutes.

I don't think Anderson will make us a better team, alas. But... we'll have to see. (If he's a wizard...)

[pcbothwel]

http://hoopshype.com/storyline/ryan-anderson-to-wizards/

I think Anderson is a great candidate for a one year deal. He's a great fit and we can overpay.