Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[NiteOwl]

I would trade Beal and Chicago's choice of Otto or Obure for Jimmy Butler. I think he would be perfect next to Wall. Healthy, and a rugged defender - not a huge drop off offensively either. If there would be some way to get Portis as well, even better. Can't imagine them going for it, but one can wish.

[thricethefun]

I would trade Beal and Chicago's choice of Otto or Obure for Jimmy Butler. I think he would be perfect next to Wall. Healthy, and a rugged defender - not a huge drop off offensively either. If there would be some way to get Portis as well, even better. Can't imagine them going for it, but one can wish.

I think we all would but Jimmy Butler is probably untouchable for them. The only way they trade Jimmy is in the last year or 2 of his deal when its clear they won't contend.

[gambitx777]

I'm starting to back away from including Neal in trades. Truth is when he and Ramon are both on our bench is pretty strong..

If trading Neal gets us a legitimate PF, I'd definitely do it. Don't forget that we'll also have Alan Anderson in the not-too-distant future. With Wall, Beal, Sessions, Temple, Anderson and Oubre, we should have enough depth at the guard positions.

I would take a furture protected first and neal and see if it can get us robert covington. That kid could be a legit stretch 4 next to wall.

[J-Ves]

Beal for a youngish, rotation quality big. Len? Sullinger? Nicholson?


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[gambitx777]

Beal for a youngish, rotation quality big. Len? Sullinger? Nicholson?


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You don't need to give up beal for any of those guys.

[Tricky_Kid]

I would trade Beal and Chicago's choice of Otto or Obure for Jimmy Butler. I think he would be perfect next to Wall. Healthy, and a rugged defender - not a huge drop off offensively either. If there would be some way to get Portis as well, even better. Can't imagine them going for it, but one can wish.

For me Oubre is untouchable but Beal + Potter hell yes

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[AFM]

I'm actually higher on Oubre than I am on Beal at this point

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I would trade Beal and Chicago's choice of Otto or Obure for Jimmy Butler. I think he would be perfect next to Wall. Healthy, and a rugged defender - not a huge drop off offensively either. If there would be some way to get Portis as well, even better. Can't imagine them going for it, but one can wish.

If you think Ernie would trade the guy he picked #3 in 2012 and the guy he picked #3 in 2013 for the guy who went #30 in 2011, you don't know Ernie. That would make it look like he didn't know what he was doing in any of those drafts (esp. '11), and no no no he isn't going to do anything to reveal his incompetence.

Not suggesting that the Bulls would make this trade anyway.

[payitforward]

I'm trying to understand why anyone thinks the Celtics would be interested in trading Sullinger at this point. He's playing great, and I think he can be re-signed at a fairly reasonable salary (reasonable in this crazy new world I mean).

The Celtics rebuild has been outstanding. All the more so when you compare it to ours.

How many guys from the 2014 & 2015 drafts on the Celtics: 5 (Smart, Young, Rozier, Hunter & Mickey). On the Wizards: 1 (Oubre).

How about the 2011, 2012 and 2013 drafts: Celtics - 5 (Thomas, Crowder, Sullinger, Olynyk & Zeller). Wizards - 2 (Beal & Porter).

2010 draft: Celtics -2 (Turner, Bradley). Wizards - 1 (Wall).

Their other 3 players are David Lee, Amir Johnson & Jonas Jerebko, and none of them is guaranteed for next year. They have deep talent, a very low salary load, lots of picks in the years to come, and incredible flexibility. Oh, and an incredible NBA tradition and a title pretty recently.

Why would a star FA come here over Boston, I wonder?

[Illmatic12]

Oubre's tools are elite, he has the highest two-way potential of anyone on the Wizards roster.

He can potentially be our Leonard, and provide elite perimeter defense against the best scorers in the league.

For me, I'm pretty close to considering KO untouchable.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I'm trying to understand why anyone thinks the Celtics would be interested in trading Sullinger at this point. He's playing great, and I think he can be re-signed at a fairly reasonable salary (reasonable in this crazy new world I mean).

The Celtics rebuild has been outstanding. All the more so when you compare it to ours.

How many guys from the 2014 & 2015 drafts on the Celtics: 5 (Smart, Young, Rozier, Hunter & Mickey). On the Wizards: 1 (Oubre).

How about the 2011, 2012 and 2013 drafts: Celtics - 5 (Thomas, Crowder, Sullinger, Olynyk & Zeller). Wizards - 2 (Beal & Porter).

2010 draft: Celtics -2 (Turner, Bradley). Wizards - 1 (Wall).

Their other 3 players are David Lee, Amir Johnson & Jonas Jerebko, and none of them is guaranteed for next year. They have deep talent, a very low salary load, lots of picks in the years to come, and incredible flexibility. Oh, and an incredible NBA tradition and a title pretty recently.

Not to mention a far superior coach. Credit to their GM and owner for that too.

[J-Ves]

I would trade Beal and Chicago's choice of Otto or Obure for Jimmy Butler. I think he would be perfect next to Wall. Healthy, and a rugged defender - not a huge drop off offensively either. If there would be some way to get Portis as well, even better. Can't imagine them going for it, but one can wish.

For me Oubre is untouchable but Beal + Potter hell yes

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I'm still very high on Porter, but I would make that trade because Butler is a great two way player who would play well next to Wall. Bulls should/would never trade him for that though, instead of moving Butler they should be looking to move Rose and to find a way to turn one of there many PFs into a decent SF.

[nate33]

Beal for a youngish, rotation quality big. Len? Sullinger? Nicholson?


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Beal for Bobby Portis and filler could make a lot of sense for both teams - particularly if we're sure we have no shot at KD2DC.

How about Beal + Hump for Portis + Gibson? I really like the way it balances our roster going forward:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Oubre
SF Porter
PF Gibson/Portis
C Gortat

Add to that our 1st round pick plus $28M in cap room. Hopefully we add one youngish free agent big man in the next year or two (say, Biyombo or Steven Adams?)

[Tricky_Kid]

Beal for a youngish, rotation quality big. Len? Sullinger? Nicholson?


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Beal for Bobby Portis and filler could make a lot of sense for both teams - particularly if we're sure we have no shot at KD2DC.

How about Beal + Hump for Portis + Gibson? I really like the way it balances our roster going forward:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Oubre
SF Porter
PF Gibson/Portis
C Gortat

Add to that our 1st round pick plus $28M in cap room. Hopefully we add one youngish free agent big man in the next year or two (say, Biyombo or Steven Adams?)

Quite interesting. I would do it. [IMG[/IMG]

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[Illmatic12]

I wish there was some way we could get Ezeli. Of course I know there's no chance GSW would give him up, they're gonna spend as much $$$ as they need to on Barnes and Ezeli.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Beal for a youngish, rotation quality big. Len? Sullinger? Nicholson?


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Beal for Bobby Portis and filler could make a lot of sense for both teams - particularly if we're sure we have no shot at KD2DC.

How about Beal + Hump for Portis + Gibson? I really like the way it balances our roster going forward:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Oubre
SF Porter
PF Gibson/Portis
C Gortat

Add to that our 1st round pick plus $28M in cap room. Hopefully we add one youngish free agent big man in the next year or two (say, Biyombo or Steven Adams?)

Portis is overtaking Mirotic.

No way the Bulls trade Portis.

[payitforward]

Oubre's tools are elite, he has the highest two-way potential of anyone on the Wizards roster.

He can potentially be our Leonard, and provide elite perimeter defense against the best scorers in the league.

For me, I'm pretty close to considering KO untouchable.

Nobody is "untouchable." John Wall isn't. It all depends on the deal available. But, I agree that I'd have no particular interest in trading Oubre.

That said, I don't think "Oubre's tools are elite" in the slightest. For one thing, he has zero right hand -- and I mean zero. But, his *athleticism* is elite, and he seems to be very smart and to be concentrating. I like him a lot.

Kawhi Leonard, however -- that's a big-time stretch as a comparison, at least at this point. Leonard played 2 years of college ball, and he played way more minutes as a Freshman than Kelly did. He came into the league a much better schooled player than Oubre, and he was absolutely terrific his rookie year -- much better out of the gate than Kelly has yet shown himself to be. He was an elite SF as a rookie! The only thing he didn't do as a rookie is shoot a lot.

He also averaged 24 minutes a game; Kelly's averaging 11, though of course that's going up lately, and I hope his minutes will continue to go up. I'd love him to become a star, you bet, but at this point comparing him to Leonard is dreaming -- a nice dream, but still....

[gambitx777]

Checked in with the Philly board, they seem to be pretty delusional about the value of their players.

[payitforward]

Beal for a youngish, rotation quality big. Len? Sullinger? Nicholson?


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Beal for Bobby Portis and filler could make a lot of sense for both teams - particularly if we're sure we have no shot at KD2DC.

How about Beal + Hump for Portis + Gibson? I really like the way it balances our roster going forward:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Oubre
SF Porter
PF Gibson/Portis
C Gortat

Add to that our 1st round pick plus $28M in cap room. Hopefully we add one youngish free agent big man in the next year or two (say, Biyombo or Steven Adams?)

Portis is overtaking Mirotic.

No way the Bulls trade Portis.

Right. Plus, taking on Beal is agreeing to pay him a huge amount of $$. The Bulls just have zero reason to do that. And, on the other hand, no way is Ernie trading the guy he picked 3d in the draft 3 years ago for the guy who went #22 a few months ago.

[AFM]

Oubre's tools are elite, he has the highest two-way potential of anyone on the Wizards roster.

He can potentially be our Leonard, and provide elite perimeter defense against the best scorers in the league.

For me, I'm pretty close to considering KO untouchable.

Nobody is "untouchable." John Wall isn't. It all depends on the deal available. But, I agree that I'd have no particular interest in trading Oubre.

That said, I don't think "Oubre's tools are elite" in the slightest. For one thing, he has zero right hand -- and I mean zero. But, his *athleticism* is elite, and he seems to be very smart and to be concentrating. I like him a lot.

Kawhi Leonard, however -- that's a big-time stretch as a comparison, at least at this point. Leonard played 2 years of college ball, and he played way more minutes as a Freshman than Kelly did. He came into the league a much better schooled player than Oubre, and he was absolutely terrific his rookie year -- much better out of the gate than Kelly has yet shown himself to be. He was an elite SF as a rookie! The only thing he didn't do as a rookie is shoot a lot.

He also averaged 24 minutes a game; Kelly's averaging 11, though of course that's going up lately, and I hope his minutes will continue to go up. I'd love him to become a star, you bet, but at this point comparing him to Leonard is dreaming -- a nice dream, but still....

Oubre's 3P shooting is elite--42%(so far). Will probably dip some, but he was a pretty decent shooter in college, 36%.
He's also a great rebounder for his position. 10 boards a game/40min in college.

I like him because he's flat out more aggressive than Porter or Beal, and he's only 19.