Political Roundtable Part XVIII

Wizardspride · Post #261 » by **Wizardspride** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 1:27 am

verbal8 · Post #262 » by **verbal8** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 1:29 am

TGW wrote:Holy crap! The market just plunged to record lows today.

THANKS OBAMA

I thought Hillary was the scapegoat of choice this week.

Pointgod · Post #263 » by **Pointgod** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 1:33 am

dckingsfan wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:No - you missed what I said. I am pointing out that a vast majority aren't racist any longer - that we are making continual progress. And that making solid arguments moves folks in the right direction. I gave you data and anecdotal information.

But I also pointed out that you and pointgod like to jump the gun and call anyone that isn't in your camp - evil racists. Sorry - I am not having any of it...

Are you sure about that or did they just go underground? The majority of white people believe that white people face the most racism in the country. White pride was the reason Trump won every demographic of white people. I’ve asked you to point out where I’ve called people that simply disagree with me racist but you obviously can’t. I simply speak plainly when it comes to race and I don’t say anything that can’t be backed up by studies, research or evidence.

The biggest hurdle when it comes to race relations is that white people are actually more disgusted by being called racist than living in a white supremacist system. Most people of color could live with the garden variety racists that you’ll find on message boards as long as institutional racism was destroyed.

I could be wrong - maybe whites are still predominantly racist. Maybe there hasn't been any progress. But I can't find anecdotal or the data.

Show me the data where the country is becoming more racist?

Here are a couple articles and studies that discuss the idea of an attack on white people, how Trump won white voters (directly ties to the idea of supporting his racism or it not being a deal breaker), how whites and non whites view racism.

http://theconversation.com/the-dangerous-belief-that-white-people-are-under-attack-88622

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/blacks-white-racism-united-states-polls/index.html

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study

Has progress been made in terms of public opinion? Sure. Look at the polling stats compared to how people supported the civil rights movement vs black lives matter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/19/black-lives-matters-and-americas-long-history-of-resisting-civil-rights-protesters/?utm_term=.0da3783cb3ff

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/08/how-americans-view-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

Although it’s not a tidy comparison, the amount of people that neither (approve or disapprove) on the broad subject of civil rights has grown since the 60’s. So my question is dckingsfan, did attitudes change or are people just less willing to be upfront about their beliefs on race? I think worrying about being called a racist actually takes away from being able to correctly identity racist intent and more importantly racial policies that disproportionately affect people of color.

Pointgod · Post #264 » by **Pointgod** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 2:12 am

Here’s also an interesting explainer about coded language and dog whistle racism. I think the reason so many people(on the left and right) are taken aback by pointing out racism is that they truly don’t understand dog whistles ecause they’ve never been on the receiving end.

https://www.vox.com/2016/2/1/10889138/coded-language-thug-bossy

Also an interesting explainer on the Southern Strategy

http://umich.edu/~lawrace/votetour10.htm

dckingsfan · Post #265 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 2:23 am

That’s a lot of reading... give me some time to digest it.

Post #266 » by **montestewart** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 2:37 am

Zonkerbl wrote:Carter Page is not some innocent real estate developer who got unfairly targeted by mean alt-left FBI agents. He was stopped and told, in 2013, that certain people he was hanging out with were spies. Then he continued to hang out with them.

They say ignorance of the law is no excuse and stupidity isn't either. Carter Page entirely deserves to be under investigation.

And while none of us (including Nunes and his defenders, apparently) know exactly what evidence was presented in order to get that initial warrant, it certainly sounds like there was a ton of evidence available prior to obtaining the warrant. And hey, it also sounds like Steele's potential bias and partisan leanings were revealed at the time the warrant was granted. So....anything else?

gtn130 · Post #267 » by **gtn130** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 2:52 am

dckingsfan wrote:
gtn130 wrote:^ I thought that was a pretty good tweet.

I see people are so worked up over my posting that they're googling me

Tell me that would have been in green font here...

Lol yes it would be in green here. The joke was that Democrats who voted Northam in the VA gubernatorial were somehow pro MS-13 according to Gillespie.

On a slightly different subject - is Antifa even a real thing? I had never heard of it until Charlottesville and it only appeared to be talked about by the alt-right Nazis there.

stilldropin20 · Post #268 » by **stilldropin20** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 2:53 am

GhostofChenier wrote:

U r an idiot antifa dude lol lol

Old idiots

Wait. Ghost of chenier keeps calling us idiots. But then he is the guy that discovers that GTN is a phucking antifa and MS-13 supporter???

WTF!!!!!!?????? This should be grounds for immediate banning.

JWizmentality · Post #269 » by **JWizmentality** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:01 am

Very sobering.

Watch on YouTube

stilldropin20 · Post #270 » by **stilldropin20** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:05 am

Alan Dershowitz and Mark Levin both calling for much more than an investigation. Much more than a special prosecutor. They are now calling for a Commission into the entire FISA warrants and spying on Trump.

Like i said many moons ago. They done phucked up. This is BIG TIME, folks. I know you dont want to hear it and you are all desprately trying to will it into disappearing but this is NOT going anywhere.

This is the biggest corruption scandal in at least 60 years. Way Bigger than watergate.

Here's my question? Why are we covering so much for a few bad apples? Why wont schiff simply come out and say, "oh gee we got 2 or 3 bad cops in the FBI...we need to get rid of them...fix Fisa and move on?"

This is a simple pivot. Why wont Schiff and the D's make the pivot??????????

They must be covering for higher up operatives as I have been saying all along. Hillary, Obama, and Lynch being those higher up. If not, why are they laying so must cover for Mccabe, strzok, and rosenstein. This is all that the D's and main stream media is doing right now is to attempt to debunk this. Why!!!!!?? To cover for a couple bad apples? Makes no sense. all they have to do is let Strzok and Rosenstein walk the plank. this makes no sense unless its as big as I have been suggesting.

stilldropin20 · Post #271 » by **stilldropin20** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:15 am

https://saraacarter.com/referral-suggests-clinton-friends-feeding-british-spy-information/

A new and highly redacted document released Monday by the Senate Judiciary Committee reveals that former British spy Christopher Steele, the man behind the unverified and controversial dossier, wrote an additional memo regarding alleged Russian collusion with President Donald Trump but that the information was largely based on information provided by allies of former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Lindsey Graham, R-SC, sent a criminal referral regarding Steele’s involvement in the dossier to the Department of Justice referral January 4. The criminal referral confirms that allies of Clinton and the Obama administration were providing Steele with what they deemed damaging information on then candidate-elect Trump. The Senate Judiciary Committee spent more than a month in talks with the DOJ about what parts of the referral, which was classified Top Secret, should be redacted from the document before it became public.

“One memorandum by Mr. Steele that was not published by Buzzfeed is dated October 19, 2016. The report alleges (redacted), as well as (redacted). Mr. Steele’s memorandum states that his company “received this report from (redacted) U.S. State Department,” that the report was the second in a series, and that the report was information that came from a foreign sub-source who ‘is in touch with (redacted) US State Department,’ that the report was the second in a series, and that the report was information that came from a sub-source who ‘is in touch with (redacted), a contact of (redacted) of (redacted) a friend of the Clintons, who passed it to (redacted).”

“It is troubling enough that the Clinton Campaign funded Mr. Steele’s work, but that these Clinton associates were contemporaneously feeding Mr. Steele allegations raises additional concerns about his credibility,” the criminal referral sta

stilldropin20 · Post #272 » by **stilldropin20** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:26 am

FAH1223 wrote:

Read on Twitter

am i the only person here to notice the 4 trillion spent in early 2009?????

Thanks Obama. I mean we all already know about this but why are you guy not pissed the phuck off!!! That 4 trillion did nothing!!!! 4 effing trillion!!! in a month!!!!!!

TGW · Post #273 » by **TGW** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:37 am

So what are you trying to say stilladumbass? That today’s insane market drop was obama’s Fault?

I want you to say it, since you give drump credit for the record highs.

stilldropin20 · Post #274 » by **stilldropin20** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:43 am

Sara Carter is th ejournalist that exposed all of the current FISA info via freedom via FOIA which led to Nunes requesting the non redacted version from the FBI. She has been waaaaaaaay out in front. this is her latest. Clinton friendly State dept. was feeding FBI and steele.

Read on Twitter

stilldropin20 · Post #275 » by **stilldropin20** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:45 am

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stilldropin20 · Post #276 » by **stilldropin20** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:56 am

TGW wrote:So what are you trying to say stilladumbass? That today’s insane market drop was obama’s Fault?

I want you to say it, since you give drump credit for the record highs.

Read on Twitter

cammac · Post #277 » by **cammac** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:02 am

TGW wrote:So what are you trying to say stilladumbass? That today’s insane market drop was obama’s Fault?

I want you to say it, since you give drump credit for the record highs.

Obama was a secret Rothchild!!!!!

stilldropin20 · Post #278 » by **stilldropin20** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:04 am

Zonkerbl wrote:Carter Page is not some innocent real estate developer who got unfairly targeted by mean alt-left FBI agents. He was stopped and told, in 2013, that certain people he was hanging out with were spies. Then he continued to hang out with them.

They say ignorance of the law is no excuse and stupidity isn't either. Carter Page entirely deserves to be under investigation.

tonight on ingraham

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cammac · Post #279 » by **cammac** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:05 am

stilldropin20 wrote:
TGW wrote:So what are you trying to say stilladumbass? That today’s insane market drop was obama’s Fault?

I want you to say it, since you give drump credit for the record highs.

Read on Twitter

Stephen Miller & Trump forgot about the Obama recovery!

TGW · Post #280 » by **TGW** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:10 am

stilldropin20 wrote:
TGW wrote:So what are you trying to say stilladumbass? That today’s insane market drop was obama’s Fault?

I want you to say it, since you give drump credit for the record highs.

Read on Twitter

That’s an idiotic tweet attempting to deflect from the topic. We weren’t talking about cnn. We were talking about the stock market dropping like a damn rock.

What happened to the confidence in the “trump market” huh buddy? :laugh: