Political Roundtable Part XIX

[closg00]

Donald Trump isn’t very smart at all and he demonstrates obvious psychological “tells”. For example when he precedes a comment or ends a comment with “believe me”, you know that he just lied. The biggest “tell” that Trump knew all about the Russian effort to help his campaign and that he is a traitor is that when he stupidly uttered “Russia are you listening” right before the hacked DNC emails were released, this was a “tell”, he didn’t say if any hacker out-there is listening, he specifically named Russia; not China, India etc. He did this to appear oh so smart when the hacks started leaking. JR did walk right up to Daddies office just like Bannon suggested and told him all about the hack, now we wait to see if Mueller has enough testimony that this was the case.

[cammac]

Nunberg made a complete clown of himself yesterday but it is obvious that there is information in the requested documents that might indict him and Rodger Stone. I doubt if he has anything on Steve Bannon even though he is a cockroach he is smart.

Hopefully Nunberg{but he is a Republican} doesn't own a gun because he was completely out of control, rambling and likely suicidal.

[gtn130]

I'm probably going to go with the party that doesn't openly court white supremacists as superior but hey that's just me.

Yes but it's a very tough call.

Did you hear about the Clintons in the 90s? They were basically moderate Republicans, which means that in year 2018 everything is the same.

Also, If you vote Democrat you could be accidentally secretly voting for a Republican. Might as well vote Republican to make sure you aren't being duped.

Furthermore, Roy Moore and Anthony Weiner are the same, Doug Jones is very racist and Killary is Killary.

Lmk if you guys have any questions.

[cammac]

I'm probably going to go with the party that doesn't openly court white supremacists as superior but hey that's just me.

Yes but it's a very tough call.

Did you hear about the Clintons in the 90s? They were basically moderate Republicans, which means that in year 2018 everything is the same.

Also, If you vote Democrat you could be accidentally secretly voting for a Republican. Might as well vote Republican to make sure you aren't being duped.

Furthermore, Roy Moore and Anthony Weiner are the same, Doug Jones is very racist and Killary is Killary.

Lmk if you guys have any questions.

I agree with you about Moore & Weiner both are despicable one was brought to trial for his crimes and convicted the other hasn't. But in no way did prominent people back Weiner after information came out. The difference is that many prominent Republicans backed Moore including the President.

The 2nd allegation I'm assuming you refer to a ad run in the campaign by Doug Jones. It wasn't the best metric and was quickly pulled. You do not judge a person by a error in a campaign everyone makes a few. You judge a person on his life work as a prosecutor in Alabama you don't take on the KKK but Jones did. He got justice for the poor children in that church and from all reports he has lived a unbiased life. Sorry you are dead wrong about that comment!

[gtn130]

I'm probably going to go with the party that doesn't openly court white supremacists as superior but hey that's just me.

Yes but it's a very tough call.

Did you hear about the Clintons in the 90s? They were basically moderate Republicans, which means that in year 2018 everything is the same.

Also, If you vote Democrat you could be accidentally secretly voting for a Republican. Might as well vote Republican to make sure you aren't being duped.

Furthermore, Roy Moore and Anthony Weiner are the same, Doug Jones is very racist and Killary is Killary.

Lmk if you guys have any questions.

I agree with you about Moore & Weiner both are despicable one was brought to trial for his crimes and convicted the other hasn't. But in no way did prominent people back Weiner after information came out. The difference is that many prominent Republicans backed Moore including the President.

The 2nd allegation I'm assuming you refer to a ad run in the campaign by Doug Jones. It wasn't the best metric and was quickly pulled. You do not judge a person by a error in a campaign everyone makes a few. You judge a person on his life work as a prosecutor in Alabama you don't take on the KKK but Jones did. He got justice for the poor children in that church and from all reports he has lived a unbiased life. Sorry you are dead wrong about that comment!

I was being sarcastic my man

[gtn130]

According to Wolff’s book, Trump also once left Nunberg behind at a McDonald’s when the aide’s special order burger took too long to make.

[TGW]

I'm probably going to go with the party that doesn't openly court white supremacists as superior but hey that's just me.

Yes but it's a very tough call.

Did you hear about the Clintons in the 90s? They were basically moderate Republicans, which means that in year 2018 everything is the same.

Also, If you vote Democrat you could be accidentally secretly voting for a Republican. Might as well vote Republican to make sure you aren't being duped.

Furthermore, Roy Moore and Anthony Weiner are the same, Doug Jones is very racist and Killary is Killary.

Lmk if you guys have any questions.

I'm sure you have no problems dismissing horrible **** the Democrats do as a liberal white male. Nothing the Democrats do are designed to hurt people like you.

OTOH, I have friends who were locked up for years under the three strikes policy for minor drug offenses. The a-hole Democratic mayor of Baltimore was locking up people I knew left and right.

The Clinton Foundation basically used Haiti, my home country, as their personal piggy bank.

But I should ignore that because "Trump is evil! RUSSIA!" Kiss my ass you sanctimonious POS.

[cammac]

Well the morning consult poll is out for February and there is a lot to look at. 538 rates morning consult as a B type poll and in my estimation they don't have much bias. But they are the only poll that breaks down the USA by States.

February was a weird month in that Trump had a upswing the 1st 1/2 of the month and a downswing the last 1/2 but still stronger than earlier in the year.

The 3 battleground states that Trump won the electoral college with Pennsylvanian Jan 4% Feb 5% D, Michigan Jan.10% Feb.10% D, Wisconsin Jan.12% Feb. 9% D. All 3 have state elections this year and could well go from Republican to Democrat. Whether Pennsylvanian is a true reflection of how the State feels will be more clarified in PA18 on March 13.

The North East Coast and West Coast are solidly Democratic plus Hawaii, Illinois, New Mexico & Colorado

Surprise for 2 months Utah Jan. 4% Feb. 1% D this could well be a polling anomaly but might indicate that Mia Love in Utah 4th might be in trouble.

There is a solid block of Red States Alaska, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee,South Carolina, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Nebraska & Idaho.

Interesting but maybe flux States Ohio Jan. 1%D Feb. 4%R, Indiana Jan. 1% Feb. 3% Republican, Iowa Jan. 10% Feb. 1% D, Kansas Jan. 4% Feb.6%, Missouri Jan.2% Feb. 5%, NC Jan.1%D Feb.1%R, Georgia Jan. 7% Feb. 4% R, Florida Jan. 2% Feb. 5% ( this is one I find strange ) Arizona Jan. 4%D Feb. 3%R & Texas Dec. 3% Jan.7% Feb. 7% { Texas in News so included }

Way to early to make assumptions and the poll I believe is subject to error like in Utah. It is also a popularity poll of Trump that may not relate to either State or Federal results.

https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

[gtn130]

I'm sure you have no problems dismissing horrible **** the Democrats do as a liberal white male. Nothing the Democrats do are designed to hurt people like you.

OTOH, I have friends who were locked up for years under the three strikes policy for minor drug offenses. The a-hole Democratic mayor of Baltimore was locking up people I knew left and right.

The Clinton Foundation basically used Haiti, my home country, as their personal piggy bank.

But I should ignore that because "Trump is evil! RUSSIA!" Kiss my ass you sanctimonious POS.

You act like Bill Clinton being a major contributor to the prison industrial complex is some sort of earth shattering revelation. Everyone knows!

Thing is, some people are willing to use their brains and see that the 90s was a long time ago, and it really has nothing to do with anything being discussed itt. Yeah, the Clintons aren't bastions of liberalism. You're not uncovering anything people don't already know and don't already agree with.

Like you guys keep embarrassing yourselves with this same take over and over again:

1. gtn130 hates the Republicans
2. ??????
3. This means he loves the DNC!
4. ???????
5. This also means he loves Hillary Clinton!

Please fill in 2 and 4 for me.

[verbal8]

Donald Trump isn’t very smart at all and he demonstrates obvious psychological “tells”. For example when he precedes a comment or ends a comment with “believe me”, you know that he just lied. The biggest “tell” that Trump knew all about the Russian effort to help his campaign and that he is a traitor is that when he stupidly uttered “Russia are you listening” right before the hacked DNC emails were released, this was a “tell”, he didn’t say if any hacker out-there is listening, he specifically named Russia; not China, India etc. He did this to appear oh so smart when the hacks started leaking. JR did walk right up to Daddies office just like Bannon suggested and told him all about the hack, now we wait to see if Mueller has enough testimony that this was the case.

Russia could have been the screename for 500 lb hacker living in NJ

[verbal8]

According to Wolff’s book, Trump also once left Nunberg behind at a McDonald’s when the aide’s special order burger took too long to make.

Was it a Nun Ride home berger?

[JWizmentality]

If people like Flynn are breaking under the massive legal fees. imagine a lowly aide. Trump aint paying your legal bills. There be a lot of birds singing.

[Ruzious]

I'm sure you have no problems dismissing horrible **** the Democrats do as a liberal white male. Nothing the Democrats do are designed to hurt people like you.

OTOH, I have friends who were locked up for years under the three strikes policy for minor drug offenses. The a-hole Democratic mayor of Baltimore was locking up people I knew left and right.

The Clinton Foundation basically used Haiti, my home country, as their personal piggy bank.

But I should ignore that because "Trump is evil! RUSSIA!" Kiss my ass you sanctimonious POS.

From their website: "Since 2010, the Clinton Foundation has raised more than $30 million for Haiti, including relief funds as well as funds for projects focused on supporting Haiti’s small and medium businesses, improving livelihoods, enhancing education and exploring the nexus of agriculture, energy and the environment. Today, the Clinton Foundation focuses on creating sustainable economic growth in the five priority sectors of agriculture, energy, environment, tourism, and artisans/manufacturing. The Foundation also works to promote full-cycle investing into these sectors, bringing together producers, investors, and markets in a way that is socially, environmentally, and economically impactful. Through this approach the Clinton Foundation has helped Haitian businesses develop their skills, increase their productivity, build their capacity, and connect with international partners and markets."

[Pointgod]

I'm probably going to go with the party that doesn't openly court white supremacists as superior but hey that's just me.

As a POC, I'd rather have them being out openly, rather than pandering and doing s##t like this:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/abdul-el-sayed-michigan-governor-democrat-eligibility_us_5a729526e4b0bf6e6e219a8d

or this nonsense:

https://www.theroot.com/a-racist-flyer-might-cost-doug-jones-the-election-becau-1821065764

or this:

When Bill Clinton and the “New Democrats” emerged victorious in the 1990s, thanks in large part to 83 percent support from black voters in 1992 and 84 percent in 1996, they adopted policies, such as welfare reform (Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996) and a crime bill (Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994) that proved ruinous for many black Americans. “It is difficult to overstate the damage that’s been done,” the legal scholar Michelle Alexander noted recently of Clinton’s presidency. “Generations have been lost to the prison system; countless families have been torn apart or rendered homeless; and a school-to-prison pipeline has been born that shuttles young people from their decrepit, underfunded schools to brand-new high-tech prisons.” Clinton acknowledged last year that the crime bill “cast too wide a net” and made the problem of mass incarceration worse.

I mean...this is easy. You can write a novel on the nefarious policies that the democrats did that hurt minorities terribly.

But Hillary Clinton does the dougy, so I guess it's okay now.

Fair enough. Really it's a choice between "will actively endorse lynchings" vs. "will enact policies that institutionalize racism and destroy an entire generation." Not an exciting choice to make.

This is literally a false choice. You're comparing one party that continues to prop up institutional racism to a party that's implemented destructive policies in the past but now has moved towards addressing institutional racism. If that is something important to someone then you'd think that a person would at least do everything to prevent the party that wants to uphold institutional racism from getting into power.

[montestewart]

I'm probably going to go with the party that doesn't openly court white supremacists as superior but hey that's just me.

Yes but it's a very tough call.

Did you hear about the Clintons in the 90s? They were basically moderate Republicans, which means that in year 2018 everything is the same.

Also, If you vote Democrat you could be accidentally secretly voting for a Republican. Might as well vote Republican to make sure you aren't being duped.

Furthermore, Roy Moore and Anthony Weiner are the same, Doug Jones is very racist and Killary is Killary.

Lmk if you guys have any questions.

I'm sure you have no problems dismissing horrible **** the Democrats do as a liberal white male. Nothing the Democrats do are designed to hurt people like you.

OTOH, I have friends who were locked up for years under the three strikes policy for minor drug offenses. The a-hole Democratic mayor of Baltimore was locking up people I knew left and right.

The Clinton Foundation basically used Haiti, my home country, as their personal piggy bank.

But I should ignore that because "Trump is evil! RUSSIA!" Kiss my ass you sanctimonious POS.

Hey TGW, try not to let it descend into name calling.

I might not agree with you on everything Clinton, but after voting for the Southern satyr in '92, I was disappointed and haven't voted for a Democrat for president since (voting in DC makes that a pretty easy decision).

Some people have difficulty with an honest discussion of the deficiencies of the Democratic party, or at least refuse to engage in one. (Not surprisingly, many Republicans suffer similarly.) Perhaps to them, such acknowledgement is weakness and grants strength to the enemy. I guess that's a valid approach, many people use if, but it's got some drawbacks.

It's not easy learning the acceptable code, but you don't need to let yourself be baited or painted into a corner. Sometimes no response is the best response. Works pretty well for me much of the time.

You guys have valid, differing views. Ditch some of the venom and mischaracterization of positions, and maybe there's an interesting debate in there. Carry on, friends!

[Wizardspride]

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[Pointgod]

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Sam Nunberg has the worst lawyer ever. Even more perplexing is that he actually went to law school.

[montestewart]

Spoiler:

As a POC, I'd rather have them being out openly, rather than pandering and doing s##t like this:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/abdul-el-sayed-michigan-governor-democrat-eligibility_us_5a729526e4b0bf6e6e219a8d

or this nonsense:

https://www.theroot.com/a-racist-flyer-might-cost-doug-jones-the-election-becau-1821065764

or this:



I mean...this is easy. You can write a novel on the nefarious policies that the democrats did that hurt minorities terribly.

But Hillary Clinton does the dougy, so I guess it's okay now.

Fair enough. Really it's a choice between "will actively endorse lynchings" vs. "will enact policies that institutionalize racism and destroy an entire generation." Not an exciting choice to make.

This is literally a false choice. You're comparing one party that continues to prop up institutional racism to a party that's implemented destructive policies in the past but now has moved towards addressing institutional racism. If that is something important to someone then you'd think that a person would at least do everything to prevent the party that wants to uphold institutional racism from getting into power.

It's not a hard choice thinking of right now, but memories are long, and the 1990s don't seem that long ago. It's not surprising that the image is still strong in a lot of people's minds

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[gtn130]

Spoiler:

Fair enough. Really it's a choice between "will actively endorse lynchings" vs. "will enact policies that institutionalize racism and destroy an entire generation." Not an exciting choice to make.

This is literally a false choice. You're comparing one party that continues to prop up institutional racism to a party that's implemented destructive policies in the past but now has moved towards addressing institutional racism. If that is something important to someone then you'd think that a person would at least do everything to prevent the party that wants to uphold institutional racism from getting into power.

It's not a hard choice thinking of right now, but memories are long, and the 1990s don't seem that long ago. It's not surprising that the image is still strong in a lot of people's minds

1990 was nearly 30 years ago, man.

Obviously Democrats were far more conservative back then. And Republicans were far more liberal!

Times have changed, though. Revisiting Clinton era policy to make broad statements about Democrats in 2018 isn't going to gain much traction from any liberal milennial today.

Like what role did I personally play in all that? I'm in my 20s. I know about Bill Clinton's presidency largely through Wikipedia. My view of liberalism has little to do with the Clintons.

Pretty insane that we're even talking about Hillary Clinton in 2018.