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Post#261 » by nate33 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:49 am

80sballboy wrote:Here are some of the latest mocks
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/01/30/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-cam-reddish

(Wiz at 8 get Kevin Porter)

https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft

(Wiz at 8 get KC Okpala)

Garland is available to us in both of those mocks. I really like him, not just as overlooked prospect, but as an ideal fit on this roster. I love that he's a combo guard who can play with the ball in his hand or off the ball. That makes him a good fit alongside any of Wall, Beal or Sato. And I'd like to have him around to groom as the starting PG after Wall is either traded or gets hurt.
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Post#262 » by pancakes3 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:35 am

i do like the idea of a rookie combo guard coming off the bench but i think we have a more immediate need for frontcourt talent

jaxson hayes, bruno fernando, bol bol, rui hachimura are all very solid picks for the mid/late lotto.
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Post#263 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:57 am

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Post#264 » by nate33 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:42 pm

pancakes3 wrote:i do like the idea of a rookie combo guard coming off the bench but i think we have a more immediate need for frontcourt talent

jaxson hayes, bruno fernando, bol bol, rui hachimura are all very solid picks for the mid/late lotto.

Fair point about positional need. Our greatest need is surely a PF for the future - our version of Pascal Siakam - a guy who do a little of everything on offense while being very switchable on defense and vacuuming rebounds.

What's interesting is that the two most prominent prototypes for that role: Siakam and Draymond, were both found late in the draft. I wonder if that's a skill set that just doesn't shine very much in the college game so its hard to scout. The guy I like later in the draft for us in that role is Brandon Clarke. Many mocks have him going high in the 2nd round, though Ruzious thinks he'll go in the 1st.

We just need to land a high 2nd or late 1st - presumably by trading Ariza.
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Post#265 » by I_Like_Dirt » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:16 pm

nate33 wrote:What's interesting is that the two most prominent prototypes for that role: Siakam and Draymond, were both found late in the draft. I wonder if that's a skill set that just doesn't shine very much in the college game so its hard to scout.


I don't think it's an issue with shining in college. I think it has a lot to do with pre-college scouting in the process and more importantly pre-set notions of the learning process. If you watch Siakam at New Mexico State, he was basically the only guy worth a damn on those teams and absolutely beasted in college. He was an older player in college, though, and teams often tend to overlook players like that, thinking they're finished products.

Draymond wasn't amazing out of the gates in college but improved every year and finished on an extremely high note. Again, though, teams tend not to believe in the ability of older prospects to continue developing. The thing is, some guys just keep on getting better every year while some guys are pretty much the same deal year after year. It's the guys that keep learning that tend to be the multi-tool players that modern teams crave in the frontcourt but the guys that keep learning often have scouts making their judgements earlier on in their playing careers and not properly assessing the potential value there. Toronto in particular seems to be killing it on that end lately. They've been grabbing older prospects, often from smaller schools, who frequently are guys who showed rather dramatic improvement in college. Siakam, Delon Wright, Norman Powell, Fred VanVleet. Those guys are almost half of their rotation right now.

It also wouldn't surprise me to see that there is something to players who grow to the proportions that guys like Draymond and Siakam grow to take a little longer to figure out all the specific fundamentals and skills they need for what is one of the most diverse roles in the NBA and so it takes them a little longer to learn it, if they're ever going to. That said, we're dealing with a sample size of 2 right now, so it's tough to say if it goes beyond the simple overlooking older prospects who have a jump in level of performance at some point in their college careers.
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Post#266 » by doclinkin » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:33 pm

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pancakes3 wrote:i do like the idea of a rookie combo guard coming off the bench but i think we have a more immediate need for frontcourt talent

jaxson hayes, bruno fernando, bol bol, rui hachimura are all very solid picks for the mid/late lotto.

Fair point about positional need. Our greatest need is surely a PF for the future - our version of Pascal Siakam - a guy who do a little of everything on offense while being very switchable on defense and vacuuming rebounds.

What's interesting is that the two most prominent prototypes for that role: Siakam and Draymond, were both found late in the draft. I wonder if that's a skill set that just doesn't shine very much in the college game so its hard to scout. The guy I like later in the draft for us in that role is Brandon Clarke. Many mocks have him going high in the 2nd round, though Ruzious thinks he'll go in the 1st.

We just need to land a high 2nd or late 1st - presumably by trading Ariza.


Tricky to find, but not impossible. If you look for forwards and centers with good numbers of Steals per 35 mins you find solid defensive players. Andre Roberson, Ben Simmons, Draymond, Unibrow, etc. Steals by interior players show good situation recognition software. They don't seek the ball, it has to come to them, so steals here show they are opportunistic, poking the ball away and disrupting penetration. Steals by wing players are sometimes the opposite, showing gambling on defense, players leaving defensive position for glory stats and highlight breakaways.

Defensive rebounds (relative to position) show BBIQ for players at every position. Again not so much for offensive boards which can show big time athleticism, but can also be a marker for a tall player in a small conference, or players gambling for putbacks instead of falling back in transition D.

I'm pissed that Givony took his stat matrix over to ESPN but you can beat Basketball Reference into coughing up stats.

Search forwards and centers. Sort for both steals and defensive rebounding position. Career NCAA stats more than single year. or iso their final year in school. Reveals hidden gems like Noah Vonleh who is having a sneaky good defensive year on the Nix and is even hitting 37% of his threes. I'd forgotten about him.

Ideally you look for players with at least a couple years in college so you can see a track record of improvement in certain key stats. Overall improvement on weak spots, especially with increased usage indicates a gamer. A player who is smart enough to fix their own mistakes and loves to compete.

This year it suggests you take a flyer on Ethan Happ if he falls to a later pick. Or goes undrafted as is the case in some mocks. He's got that Draymond profile as a guy who just loves the game and will do anything to compete. He won't hurt you as a bench addition with a 2nd round pick, will improve the quality of your practice sessions. And if he ever develops an outside shot he will fight for starters minutes. Or better yet finishers minutes.

Take a look at Cameron Jackson of Wofford as a guy who could improve with big league training staff. Thicknecked so he will measure shorter, and carrying extra weight so there is room to lean up and get stronger. But he is filling the box score in a variety of interesting ways.

I could build the best Capital City GoGo squad on BBIQ all stars alone. At least they'd play fundamental basketball and would be a good training ground to send underdeveloped hypertalents for further schooling.
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Post#267 » by NatP4 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:31 pm

It's early, but I would be trying to acquire a late 1st for Ariza or Green and pick Tre Jones and Okeke from Auburn. Maybe you get another mid 1st for Wall in a draft night trade and take Hayes.

Sato, Beal, Brown Jr, Otto, Bryant, Hayes, Okeke, Jones,
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Post#268 » by Ruzious » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:11 pm

NatP4 wrote:It's early, but I would be trying to acquire a late 1st for Ariza or Green and pick Tre Jones and Okeke from Auburn. Maybe you get another mid 1st for Wall in a draft night trade and take Hayes.

Sato, Beal, Brown Jr, Otto, Bryant, Hayes, Okeke, Jones,

Interesting call on Tre Jones. I think he has more potential than Tyus, because he's stronger and seems to be a sturdier defender. It goes without saying - so I'll say it - He's a helluva passer.
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Post#269 » by NatP4 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:52 pm

I love Tre Jones. Terrific floor general
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Post#270 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 1, 2019 8:04 pm

pancakes3 wrote:i do like the idea of a rookie combo guard coming off the bench but i think we have a more immediate need for frontcourt talent

jaxson hayes, bruno fernando, bol bol, rui hachimura are all very solid picks for the mid/late lotto.

Hayes has a bad fouling problem - like a lot of freshman bigs - but there's a lot of potential there. Great shot blocker and great touch around the basket.
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Post#271 » by Kanyewest » Fri Feb 1, 2019 8:56 pm

Sadiq Bey from Nova looks like a potential NBA player-might have to wait for the 2020 nba draft. He went to Sidwell Friends in DC like Josh Hart.
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Post#272 » by pancakes3 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 8:58 pm

what can't that school do?
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Post#273 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 9:30 pm

I took a crack at Tankathon's lottery simulator. Here's my 2nd attempt:

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Post#274 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Fri Feb 1, 2019 10:22 pm

nate33 wrote:I took a crack at Tankathon's lottery simulator. Here's my 2nd attempt:

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Post#275 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Feb 5, 2019 1:09 pm

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Post#276 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 5, 2019 3:20 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
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...which makes me agree with Pif that a trade down might be the best option.

Btw, it took me 3 tries for the Wiz to get the 1st pick.
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Post#277 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Feb 5, 2019 3:24 pm

Ruzious wrote:...which makes me agree with Pif that a trade down might be the best option.

Btw, it took me 3 tries for the Wiz to get the 1st pick.



Yeah, outside the top 4 or 5 guys, the talent level really flattens out in this draft. Not much difference between #8 and #15 talent wise.

Boston might be in the market to consolidate some of their mediocre picks to move into the top-8.
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Post#278 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Feb 8, 2019 9:43 pm



ALL THESE YEARS and I've STILL NOT LEARNED how to screen capture and put good graphics in quotes like you and others do, nate33.

I'm just not that smart. That, and I still don't know dick about capology (and a number of things in this life. It is what it is.) :)

I do like this mock from B/R:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819334-latest-nba-mock-draft-predictions-post-2019-trade-deadline?src=rss#slide0
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Post#279 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Feb 8, 2019 9:44 pm

Bleacher Report bumps Ja Morant to #2 over Barrett.

They follow 3-5 as Reddish, Culver, Langford; leaving Garland totally out.
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Post#280 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 8, 2019 10:03 pm

Boy, some of those top 10 projected picks are just not appetixing picks. i will puke... if we pick Cam Reddish. He would be every bit as bad as the Vesely pick was, imo. When I wake up in a cold sweat, it's usually after dreaming the Wiz pick him.

So, after we pick Zion... I'd love it if we could acuqire another pick to get Garland and another pick to pick Brandon Clarke and another pick to pick to pick one of the centers - take a chance on Jontay Porter getting and staying healthy. Still hoping we make a big trade with Boston
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