Political Roundtable Part XXIV

[stilldropin20]

The liar said that Mexico said that Mexico would pay. As-soon as the stupid wall is built, tunnels will be made underneath just like in Isreal.
https://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/israel-discovers-tunnel-system-used-by-hezbollah-terror-group-launches-destruction-operation.html

Well... they aren't actually waiting for the wall...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/23/us/drug-tunnel-arizona-mexico-trnd/index.html

exactly. footing for wall must be dug and built down to bedrock. concrete reinforced 5" rebar every 5" apart and 40" deep. It will take months to cut through with a tunnel digger which would set off vibration triggers set to locate the exact origin.

thats the beauty of the wall. if done right, it prevents tunnels too. cartels will need to bring drugs in via boats and planes...which are easier to track/stop.

[TGW]

Naivete and ignorance -- it's still weird how much coverage this network dedicates to this woman....

They got you talking about it. She seems to be pretty skilled at calling attention to the issues that matter to her constituents, and to a youth voting block who are now engaged and interested in politics and energized about their ability to be heard.

In this case: what builds a better safer future for the majority of Americans: a bloated military budget? Or Health care.

Now at this point, sure you could make the argument, if we cut federal spending in those industries then ok sure they would start selling those weapons elsewhere and hey we would suddenly have need of those weapons. But that amounts to extortion, no?

Would you prefer drone assassin robots to be flying overseas to murder foreign brown people, based on questionable human intelligence? Or would you prefer that tech be used to deliver your prescription from CVS to wherever your phone is, instead of loading your meatspace self into a ton of steel and driving cross town to pick up your bottles, while cursing all the traffic on the road.

Seems to me she is right that we can call for a change in priorities for a hopeful future, that focusing on innovations and green initiatives are what matter to young folk who will hopefully be on this planet longer than the old white-hairs who get elected every year. It will take a New Deal or Space Race level of effort.

But she's smart to use the spotlight while she has it. Call it Charisma. Why is it a bad thing if Clinton or Reagan or Obama or Trump can attract cameras and notice. But she can't?. Because she's young? Female? Latina? Tell me why she sound be dismissed. Seems to me she is already organizing principled pols to join her in pushing progressive causes.

The point Doc was making was pretty clear. What problem do you have with what AOC said? Nothing she said was naive. It was 100% truth.

[TGW]

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[dckingsfan]

@Wizardspride - you are right to watch this POTUS race from the Ds side. It is going to be interesting and defining. The progressives will say you can't win with a moderate and the moderates will say you can't win with a progressive. I think that the progressives "might not" stay home this time given that it would give Trump another term - but you never know - they might just let it burn.

[Pointgod]

Regardless who gets the nomination both sides need to come together to defeat Trump. They agree on like 90% of policies and the media makes the divide within the Democratic Party a bigger issue then it really is.

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[verbal8]

Why does the video stop? Does the guy get eaten?

[Jamaaliver]

The point Doc was making was pretty clear. What problem do you have with what AOC said? Nothing she said was naive. It was 100% truth.

Except that it wasn't.

It was woefully inaccurate. As stated by a number of media across the political spectrum.

Spoiler:

...multiple fact-checkers gave a clear verdict to Ocasio-Cortez’s suggestion that Pentagon accounting errors could largely cover the costs: it wasn’t true.

Left-leaning news site Vox.com explained: “The Pentagon’s accounting errors are genuinely enormous, but they’re also just accounting errors — they don’t represent actual money that can be spent on something else.”

Underscoring the disconnect between the original story and Ocasio-Cortez's Twitter claim, Vox continued: "Indeed, there simply hasn’t been $21 trillion in (nominal) Defense Department spending across the entirety of American history."

The crux of the story is not so much misspending, as an alleged lack of transparency by the Pentagon.

The New York Times noted that the $21 trillion is the value of adjustments made to Pentagon records that couldn’t be traced: “That is not the same thing as $21 trillion in spending.”


“The point, I think, was more about how we care so little about the ‘how do you pay for it’ when we are talking about war and military spending,” her spokesman told The Washington Post. “It’s only when we are talking about investing in the physical and economic well-being of our citizenry that we become concerned with the price tags.”

The Post, however, still described the original tweet as a “swing and a miss!” and awarded her claim “four Pinocchios.”

Seems as much as the right dislike the young lady and unnecessarily castigate her...the leftists equally love and unnecessarily coddle her.

We're in for a bumpy few years of AOC coverage.

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[stilldropin20]

this man and all accomplices must be brought to justice.

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[verbal8]

A good point here:
Key phrase in the Flynn memo(what is visible of it):

senior government leaders should be held to the highest standards

A good chance this means the focus is on the "big fish" like Trump/Pence vs. the lackeys like Corsi/Stone. Guys like Corsi/Stone likely play a key role in the story/investigation.

https://news.yahoo.com/cnn-apos-jeffrey-toobin-warns-105428225.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_07

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Trump supporters just plainly being scammed by Trump lmao

[Doug_Blew]

Dow Jones when Obama was in office
01/20/2009 .. 7,949
01/20/2017 .. 19,827
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149% / 8 years = 18.67% Average on initial investment per year over 8 years

Dow Jones under Trump
01/20/2017 .. 19,827 .. In office 1 year 320 days
12/04/2018 .. 24,524
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23.68% / 1.876 years = 12.62% Average on initial investment per year over 1.87 years


Trump's % is 2% lower than it was two days ago. And it seems that this latest decline is directly related to his tweet related to a deal with China on Auto Tariffs.

[Pointgod]

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Trump supporters just plainly being scammed by Trump lmao

They don’t care. They’re the people that give money to shady preachers or psychics. They know they’re being lied to and they’ll continue to do it even if they get little benefit.

[verbal8]

That is over $200 per contribution for Trump2020 that is ending up as revenue in his businesses.

One thing to keep in mind with so much of his holdings in Real Estate is valuations are typically based on revenue(multiples of it). 10 x annual rents seems to be a rough ballpark figure. So any rent premiums could add 10x the amount to his bottom line.

The effects could be even more dramatic in valuations based on Net income. If these funds are being used more to decrease vacancies vs. inflate rents, he could easily be increasing valuations 20 to 30% without spending a ton of money.

If you add these to they typically use of leverage in Real Estate investments and the boost to his personal bottom line is even more extreme.

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[dckingsfan]

Dow Jones when Obama was in office
01/20/2009 .. 7,949
01/20/2017 .. 19,827
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149% / 8 years = 18.67% Average on initial investment per year over 8 years

Dow Jones under Trump
01/20/2017 .. 19,827 .. In office 1 year 320 days
12/04/2018 .. 24,524
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23.68% / 1.876 years = 12.62% Average on initial investment per year over 1.87 years


Trump's % is 2% lower than it was two days ago. And it seems that this latest decline is directly related to his tweet related to a deal with China on Auto Tariffs.

Remind me - what was Obama's return at 1.876 years?

[dckingsfan]

Regardless who gets the nomination both sides need to come together to defeat Trump. They agree on like 90% of policies and the media makes the divide within the Democratic Party a bigger issue then it really is.

You mean like they did the last time. Ask TGW if he would vote for a centrist Democrat.

History has a way of repeating itself. I know this is cynical and your bolded statement is obvious and correct. I just think it will be a lot easier to divide the Ds than the Rs at this point.

[dobrojim]

A good point here:
Key phrase in the Flynn memo(what is visible of it):

senior government leaders should be held to the highest standards

A good chance this means the focus is on the "big fish" like Trump/Pence vs. the lackeys like Corsi/Stone. Guys like Corsi/Stone likely play a key role in the story/investigation.

https://news.yahoo.com/cnn-apos-jeffrey-toobin-warns-105428225.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_07

Not to mention Trump's family, both those in and at least offically, out of govt.