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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#261 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:04 pm

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Georgia's Anthony Edwards remains the top overall NBA draft prospect but LaMelo Ball and James Wiseman are not far behind

Georgia’s Anthony Edwards began the year at No. 1 in the mock draft, and remains the top overall prospect, with contenders LaMelo Ball and James Wiseman behind him in that order, and the big picture getting murky rather quickly after that. The general attitude around the league is that the shape of this draft can best be classified as flat—there’s not a whole lot differentiating one prospect from another, and the drop-off in bankable NBA talent takes place relatively quickly in the draft in the minds of most. Once you get past the first couple groups of players at the top of the draft, things get dicey.

1. Anthony Edwards, G, Georgia | Freshman

Height: 6’5” | Weight: 225 | Age: 18
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Edwards began to fully stake claim to the No. 1 spot at the Maui Invitational, where a 33-point second half in a loss to Michigan State and buzzer-beater to down Chaminade put him squarely on the national map. Granted, Georgia is not a particularly good team, and Edwards sits at a notably nascent stage of his development. His ability to create shots for himself and others is potentially star-caliber, and his balance and plus athletic tools grant him real upside on the defensive end. Right now, he settles for far too many jumpers, and has had some issues attacking the rim and finishing. There are times where he’s obviously in attack mode, and times where he fades into the background entirely. Still, Edwards has made considerable progress already, and by cultivating better fundamental habit and impacting play more consistently, he may have the best case for the top pick come spring.

2. LaMelo Ball, PG, Illawarra Hawks
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Height: 6’6” | Weight: 180 | Age: 18

Ball’s recent foot injury is set to keep him out a month, cutting short a stretch of strong performances that had bolstered his case as the top prospect. He boasts off-the-charts size for a point guard, remarkable vision, and a crafty handle. Right now, there’s a whole lot of trepidation in league circles surrounding his unspectacular shooting splits—it’s simply hard to take a guy 1 overall who's shooting 40% or worse from the field. Ball is an average athlete and struggles to get easy baskets in the paint, and while his counting stats are gaudy, his team isn’t actually winning many games. He needs to take care of the ball better, and he may just not be a good shooter, which of course, takes the shine off when put frankly. He can also be mistake prone and overly freewheeling, and struggles defensively on the perimeter. That said, it’s hard to ignore what Ball is doing at such a young age against professional competition, and on a good day he looks like the type of offensive maestro you can construct a team around. He’s an enticing, if flawed, proposition atop the draft.

8. Jaden McDaniels, F, Washington | Freshman
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Height: 6’9” | Weight: 200 | Age: 19

McDaniels has begun to shoot it more consistenly and his upside remains a tantalizing, abstract concept that should make him a first-round pick in spite of his struggles. He’s long and can cover a good deal of ground on the defensive end, but has a narrow build and lacks ideal physical strength, particularly for a forward with his profile. McDaniels’s struggles dealing with contact are connected to his frame (not his mentality), but how much he’ll really develop physically is tricky to project, and long-term position may be on the wing. If he’s able to add functional strength and puts in continued work on his jump shot, there’s upside given the way he can innately handle and pass. If not, it’s hard to see him being able to punish defensive switches and truly create a mismatch. McDaniels’ upside as a scoring wing is tangible, but there’s also real risk involved.

9. Deni Avdija, G/F, Maccabi Tel Aviv
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Height: 6’8” | Weight: 210 | Age: 18

After building up some hype by leading Israel to a title at the U20 European Championship, Avdija has fallen back into a supporting role at Maccabi, where he’s contributed primarily in Israeli League play and been unable to get a major foothold on minutes in EuroLeague competition. He’s had some productive games and contributes across the board statistically, but hasn’t been deployed in his preferred point-forward role and has been asked to fit into the scheme. Avdija’s skill level and general wherewithal at his age coupled with a serious approach to improvement would seem to have him ticketed for a lottery selection, statistical case aside. Scouts are still figuring out how he’ll best fit into the NBA, and his poor free throw shooting casts some doubt on whether he’ll end up being able to space the floor reliably. He’s versatile, but only to a point, and a lack of elite athleticism has also contributed to concerns.

13. Isaac Okoro, SF, Auburn | Freshman
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Height: 6’6” | Weight: 225 | Age: 18

Entering the season, it was no secret Okoro would be Auburn’s best prospect, but he’s also been the Tigers’ best player upon arrival, and one of the most impressive freshmen nationally. Gifted with grown-man strength and unusually light on his feet, Okoro combines elite-level defensive versatility with a strong feel for the game, rarely going beyond his means and consistently making smart decisions on both end of the floor. He’s a quality finisher and solid in the open floor, and relies on long, powerful strides to attack the rim. Okoro’s jumper is the only glaring hole in his profile, and it’s very much a work in progress. Turning himself into just an average three-point shooter would be a serious boon for his long-term profile, and he brings so much else to the table that fixing the shot will be a welcome project for his future team. Okoro is firmly part of the one-and-done conversation, and one of the more appealing wings in this class.

14. Onyeka Okongwu, C, USC | Freshman
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Height: 6’8” | Weight: 235 | Age: 19

Although Okongwu flew somewhat under the radar as a one-and-done caliber prospect, he’s been one of the most productive players anywhere over the first month of the season, and has a relatively readymade path to contributing as a solid rotational NBA big. He’s an excellent multiple-jump athlete who routinely makes plays on his second and third efforts, whether it’s altering shots in the paint or grabbing defensive rebounds and putbacks. He‘s not the most versatile defender yet and lacks ideal height for a center, but his length, instincts and motor help split the difference. Okongwu neatly fits the rim-running, vertical-spacing role that’s earned a lot of players solid paychecks in recent years, and he’ll be an attractive option for teams in need of interior help. He’s a fairly safe bet to have a productive career in some capacity.
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#262 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:46 pm

^cont.

15. Isaiah Stewart, C, Washington | Freshman
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Height: 6’9” | Weight: 250 | Age: 18

There’s a good chance Stewart ends up being a long-term NBA contributor, and that floor is the central part of his appeal. He competes, he’s got great length, and has worked hard to keep weight off and revamp his frame. He’s active in the paint, will rebound and do the dirty work to help his team win, and has been immediately productive for the Huskies, as expected. However, Stewart’s ceiling is somewhat limited as a big who operates primarily beneath the rim and lacks range on his shot—it’s much easier to survive as a non-shooting five in the NBA if you’re an elite athlete, and it’s somewhat concerning that Stewart checks neither of those boxes. For now, he profiles primarily as a screener and energy guy who can punish smaller defenders on the block when opposing teams switch. He should add value somewhere, but he makes more sense in the mid-to-late first than as a lottery pick. The fact Stewart is a big who actually likes doing big-man stuff is rarer than you think in this era.

16. Obi Toppin, F/C, Dayton | Sophomore
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Height: 6’9” | Weight: 220 | Age: 21

Toppin has been a bit of a revelation to start the season, building buzz from where he left off at the Nike Skills Academy in August and solidifying his status as an obvious first-round talent. A powerful athlete who supplies legitimate role versatility on the offensive end, Toppin is comfortable rolling to the rim and pounding on the interior as well as catching and shooting from outside. While he doesn’t deal with contact as well as you’d think for a guy with his body type, his feel and skill level give him a clear pathway to a useful frontcourt role. He comes with some concerns defensively, as he’s on the smaller end of the spectrum for a center and may also have issues sticking with quicker forwards. But the way the league has shifted to favor speed and skill over sheer size is going to work in his favor. It’s worth noting he will turn 22 in March.

19. Zeke Nnaji, C, Arizona | Freshman
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Height: 6’11” | Weight: 240 | Age: 19

The late-blooming Nnaji has been a breath of fresh air in a draft class relatively thin on bigs, bolstering Arizona with his relentless energy and soft touch around the rim and shooting an absurd 74% on two-point shots. He certainly doesn’t look like he needs much more time in college, and most scouts who have caught glimpses of him agree a first-round selection seems the likely outcome. Nnaji has been extraordinarily efficient around the basket and flashed some ability as a jump shooter, although he’s not taking threes within the Arizona offense. He’s a good rebounder who also offers above-average mobility on the defensive end, although he doesn’t make a massive impact as a rim protector. With his production and approach, Nnaji has put himself in good position to turn pro.

20. Amar Sylla, F/C, Oostende
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Height: 6’9” | Weight: 190 | Age: 18

After moving from Real Madrid to find more playing time in Belgium, Sylla has begun to play much better over the past few weeks. He’s a uniquely gifted defensive prospect, with great length and mobility and a natural capacity to block shots. The game has yet to totally slow down for him, but his athletic ability and instincts are strong, and as his frame matures, there’s ample upside here. The simple fact that he’s logging heavy minutes on a team allowing him double-digit shots per game is great for his development. Sylla’s upside makes him an appealing, if somewhat raw prospect, and the chance to develop him should be an intriguing option, particularly given the way this draft class is shaping up.

21. Jahmi’us Ramsey, SG, Texas Tech | Freshman
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Height: 6’4” | Weight: 185 | Age: 18

Ramsey has been a terrific fit for Texas Tech after Jarrett Culver’s departure to the pros, filling a critical scoring role out of the gate. He’s missed the past week or so with a hamstring injury, but was feasting against soft competition beforehand and showcased his ability to score at all three levels of the floor. He’s been particularly impressive catching and shooting, and his body type and athletic tools are appealing from an NBA perspective. On the flipside, he still has to prove his worth defensively, and he doesn’t contribute much playmaking despite being relied upon to handle the ball and create offense. Ramsey’s productivity and capacity to score have put him in the first-round mix early on, but he has more to prove as conference play approaches to solidify that status.

22. Joel Ayayi, G, Gonzaga | Sophomore
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Height: 6’5” | Weight: 180 | Age: 19

After breaking out for France at the U19 world championships over the summer, Ayayi continues to trend upward and has established himself as Gonzaga’s top prospect, and one of the more intriguing sleepers in college basketball. His creativity off the dribble, passing vision and shooting range are all impressive, and his size and skill set as a true combo guard is extremely appealing. Getting downhill and attacking more often is the next step for him, and he’s earned a significant portion of Gonzaga’s backcourt minutes. He redshirted upon arrival and is still just 19 years old, which helps create a good deal of optimism with his current trajectory. Ayayi might be Gonzaga’s most important player, and he’s building a strong case to test the waters this spring.

24. Vernon Carey Jr., C, Duke | Freshman
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Height: 6’10” | Weight: 270 | Age: 18

Unsurprisingly, Carey has been the most college-ready of Duke’s freshmen, flashing a much-improved motor in the earlygoing and doing a good job playing physically in the paint and finishing with touch. His continued productivity is essential to his draft case, as his skill set doesn’t project as cleanly at the NBA level, and he’s not an elite run-jump athlete who will be able to dominate with his physical tools in the pros. Carey has pretty good feet and has provided more defensive resistance than expected, but he’s not quite the type of physical presence or natural shot-blocker that dissuades opposition from attacking the rim by simply being present. He’s not a natural jump shooter, but any improvement in that area would go a long way. Credit Carey for working into good shape and being consistently effective, but he’s got more to do to solidify first-round status.
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#263 » by prime1time » Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:20 am

If we don't end up with a top 4 pick, I like McDaniels. He needs to add some weight and his shot needs some refinement, but the raw talent and physical ability are there. The 2.7 assists shows he has some semblance of playmaking. He averages over 1 steal and block per game. If we can get him to 220/225, I'd be very pleased. A potential plus defender, with some offensive upside.
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#264 » by Ruzious » Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:34 pm

prime1time wrote:If we don't end up with a top 4 pick, I like McDaniels. He needs to add some weight and his shot needs some refinement, but the raw talent and physical ability are there. The 2.7 assists shows he has some semblance of playmaking. He averages over 1 steal and block per game. If we can get him to 220/225, I'd be very pleased. A potential plus defender, with some offensive upside.

Hes's what - 190 now? I don't see him being the next Isaac - he's not the shot-blocker Isaac is. I tend to underrate players who don't look strong enough to excel in the NBA (other than Bol). Maybe get him on his second contract. Everyone has him around 5th in the mocks, but I'd rather get players rated well below him - like Reed, Bey, Okongwu, and Nwora. At this point, I think this is a draft I want the Wiz to trade down in.
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#265 » by pcbothwel » Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:58 pm

Mannion is the one to watch. He is Goran Dragic day one, and very much resembles him, Mike Conley, Mark Price, Kyle Lowry in terms of skill set and impact.
PERFECT compliment to Wall & Beal for 2-3 years until he takes over for Wall.

Mark it down, he'll average a per36 of 20 & 6 on a TS of around 60 and a 2:1 AST:TOV ratio a couple times in his career.
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Post#266 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:05 pm

I really think the Obi Toppin kid out of Dayton is going to produce at the NBA level. Getting him outside the top-10 could be a huge boon for any team.

Sam Vecenie wrote:Obi Toppin (No. 10)

Toppin has helped himself as much as anyone this year, jumping from near the end of the first round into the lottery range. Simply put, I think you could pop him into an NBA game right now offensively, and he could help a team. [He's]...an athletic big man who can finish above the rim, that can space the floor, and [is] able to put the ball on the deck.

It’s hard to imagine a combo big man whose tape is more translatable to the NBA than Toppin’s. He’s averaging 21.4 points while shooting an absurd 65.7 percent from the field. Part of the reason it’s so absurd is that he also takes three 3-pointers per game, knocking them down at a 41.7 percent clip. Essentially, Toppin is an unstoppable force.

I think he has a real case as the No. 2 big man in this class behind Wiseman. Basically, Toppin’s scoring game at the college level is complete, and as you’ll see below, most of it comes in situations very replicable to what he’ll see in the NBA.

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Post#267 » by pcbothwel » Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:01 pm

Im a fan of Toppin... but My sleeper big is Paul Reed from Depaul.... He gets my "Brandon Clarke" award this year.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=paul-reed--obi-toppin--brandon-clarke

As a Wiz fan, I would love nothing more than to snag our future PG in the top 6-8 (Anthony or Mannion) and accrue another 1st to get one of the wings/bigs that look great (Okoro, Toppin, Reed, Bey, etc.)

Im on the Okoro, Reed, Bey bandwagon... all 3 play a decade in the league and GMs will wonder how they missed...
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Post#268 » by Ruzious » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:12 pm

Toppin vs Reed is going to be a good debate. They're basically the same size, somewhat similar stats - Obi seems to have an edge offensively while Reed seems to have it on defense. And don't sleep on Jordan Nwora.
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Post#269 » by Ruzious » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:18 pm

I think the player who ends up the best in this draft... most mocks have him late lotto - is Killian Hayes. Big strong PG who - at 18 (!) - has tremendous change of pace moves - very good athlete, and he's starting to hit 3's. Lots of experience in Europe. Honestly, I'm not sure why others don't rate him higher, because I think he's the total package. If his 3 ball keeps improving - not sure how you can defend him. He does need to cut down on the to's, but what 18 yo pg doesn't? We talked about him earlier in this thread, but he just had a game where he hit 5 of 7 3's.
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Post#270 » by payitforward » Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:17 pm

pcbothwel wrote:Im a fan of Toppin... but My sleeper big is Paul Reed from Depaul.... He gets my "Brandon Clarke" award this year.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=paul-reed--obi-toppin--brandon-clarke

As a Wiz fan, I would love nothing more than to snag our future PG in the top 6-8 (Anthony or Mannion) and accrue another 1st to get one of the wings/bigs that look great (Okoro, Toppin, Reed, Bey, etc.)

Im on the Okoro, Reed, Bey bandwagon... all 3 play a decade in the league and GMs will wonder how they missed...

None of Toppin, Reed or Bey have per 40 minute numbers at the level of Clarke -- really good, all of them; but not up with Clarke.

Tyler Bey seems likely to be a wing in the NBA, no? Do I have that right? In that context, his numbers are extremely impressive. Above all his rebounding.
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Post#271 » by pcbothwel » Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:54 pm

payitforward wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:Im a fan of Toppin... but My sleeper big is Paul Reed from Depaul.... He gets my "Brandon Clarke" award this year.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=paul-reed--obi-toppin--brandon-clarke

As a Wiz fan, I would love nothing more than to snag our future PG in the top 6-8 (Anthony or Mannion) and accrue another 1st to get one of the wings/bigs that look great (Okoro, Toppin, Reed, Bey, etc.)

Im on the Okoro, Reed, Bey bandwagon... all 3 play a decade in the league and GMs will wonder how they missed...

None of Toppin, Reed or Bey have per 40 minute numbers at the level of Clarke -- really good, all of them; but not up with Clarke.

Tyler Bey seems likely to be a wing in the NBA, no? Do I have that right? In that context, his numbers are extremely impressive. Above all his rebounding.


Ehhh... I agree its not QUITE as impressive, but I think you're underestimating them.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tyler-bey--paul-reed--obi-toppin--brandon-clarke

Clarke played his entire Junior Year at 22, Reed will play his entire Junior year at 20. That 2 year really matters.
While not near the finisher Clarke is (But who the hell is?...)..Reed:
- is a better shooter from the FT line and from 3 on higher volume.
- averages more STOCKS (Blocks + Steals) per36 than Clarke (5.9 vs 5.6)
- averages more rebounds per 36 (12.2 vs 11)

Actually... Gary Clark might be a better comp, but Reed is a better athlete.

All said, Bey, Reed, Okoro, Toppin, etc... are all interesting names outside the top 15 (Okoro in lotto)
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Post#272 » by payitforward » Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:22 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
payitforward wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:Im a fan of Toppin... but My sleeper big is Paul Reed from Depaul.... He gets my "Brandon Clarke" award this year.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=paul-reed--obi-toppin--brandon-clarke

As a Wiz fan, I would love nothing more than to snag our future PG in the top 6-8 (Anthony or Mannion) and accrue another 1st to get one of the wings/bigs that look great (Okoro, Toppin, Reed, Bey, etc.)

Im on the Okoro, Reed, Bey bandwagon... all 3 play a decade in the league and GMs will wonder how they missed...

None of Toppin, Reed or Bey have per 40 minute numbers at the level of Clarke -- really good, all of them; but not up with Clarke.

Tyler Bey seems likely to be a wing in the NBA, no? Do I have that right? In that context, his numbers are extremely impressive. Above all his rebounding.


Ehhh... I agree its not QUITE as impressive, but I think you're underestimating them.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tyler-bey--paul-reed--obi-toppin--brandon-clarke

Clarke played his entire Junior Year at 22, Reed will play his entire Junior year at 20. That 2 year really matters.
While not near the finisher Clarke is (But who the hell is?...)..Reed:
- is a better shooter from the FT line and from 3 on higher volume.
- averages more STOCKS (Blocks + Steals) per36 than Clarke (5.9 vs 5.6)
- averages more rebounds per 36 (12.2 vs 11)

Actually... Gary Clark might be a better comp, but Reed is a better athlete.

All said, Bey, Reed, Okoro, Toppin, etc... are all interesting names outside the top 15 (Okoro in lotto)

Absolutely!

But, I wasn't underestimating those guys, b/c I wasn't "estimating" them at all -- just reporting their difference from BC. In fact, I like them all.

Your mention of Gary Clark is instructive -- another data point re: FO limited vision.
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Post#273 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:58 pm

There might be too much overlap between him and Rui, but this kid seems like someone guaranteed to put up solid production at the next level:

NCAA Draft 2020: Biggest rising and falling stocks at end of non-conference

Rising – Obi Toppin

The standout wing from Dayton has been one of the best players in college basketball this season, and his name is continuing to rise.

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The No. 13 ranked Flyers have gotten off to an impressive start this season, and the primary reason for that has been the play of Toppin.

The six-foot, nine-inch sophomore has elevated his game to the point where he is now averaging 20.1 points, 8.1 rebounds, and 2.1 assists on an absurd 63.9/41.4/75.0 percent shooting line.

Toppin checks all of the boxes that NBA Front Offices want to see. He has good size for his position, he’s a fluid athlete, and he has a smooth shooting stroke. He offers a unique package of skills that are all in high demand with the current style of play in the NBA.

Not only does Toppin look the part of an NBA guy physically, but he’s rounding out his skill set to keep up with that trajectory.

The sophomore should offer value right away as a pick-and-roll player where he can either step behind the line and stroke threes, or dive to the rim and finish strong with either hand or over the top of defenders.

Toppin showed a glimpse of all he’s capable of against Georgia at the Maui Invitational, and rather than being an outlier, that type of performance has become the norm for him this season. His name should continue to fly up draft board’s as the year goes on.
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Post#274 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:46 pm

youngWizzy wrote:I think it's about time the Wizards get a legitimate vertical spacer who can rebound and defend (our biggest weaknesses).

Onyeka Okongwu is that guy and is incredibly versatile...I do think he has the chance to be the 4th best player in this draft if he enters.

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NCAA Draft 2020: Biggest rising and falling stocks at end of non-conference

Rising – Onyeka Okungwu

The freshman forward has been a pleasant surprise to start off the season for the Trojans and he is continuing to raise his profile

USC has been regarded in the past for the recruitment of the Mobley brother’s, Evan (high school senior this year) and Isaiah (freshman on USC now), but it’s been Okungwu who has stood out for the Trojans so far this season.

The former Chino Hills big man is averaging 18.4 and 9.0 rebounds per game on the season and has looked super impressive out of the gates.

The offense has been a great development, but where Okungwu will really set himself apart will be the value he’s going to offer on the defensive end of the floor. He already had eight blocks in a game this season, and is carrying impressive averages of 2.7 blocks and 1.4 steals per game.

In theory, Okungwu has the athletic ability to protect the rim as a shot blocker, and the foot speed and agility to stay with guards in space. That versatility is perfect for the new age NBA.

If Okungwu continues to play offense the way he has so far, NBA Front Offices will fall in love with him as a prospect combing those exploits with his defense and motor.
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#275 » by payitforward » Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:48 pm

payitforward wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:Im a fan of Toppin... but My sleeper big is Paul Reed from Depaul.... He gets my "Brandon Clarke" award this year.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=paul-reed--obi-toppin--brandon-clarke

As a Wiz fan, I would love nothing more than to snag our future PG in the top 6-8 (Anthony or Mannion) and accrue another 1st to get one of the wings/bigs that look great (Okoro, Toppin, Reed, Bey, etc.)

Im on the Okoro, Reed, Bey bandwagon... all 3 play a decade in the league and GMs will wonder how they missed...

None of Toppin, Reed or Bey have per 40 minute numbers at the level of Clarke -- really good, all of them; but not up with Clarke.

Tyler Bey seems likely to be a wing in the NBA, no? Do I have that right? In that context, his numbers are extremely impressive. Above all his rebounding.

Wait... Toppin is also a SF? Not a PF...? He & Bey have absolutely tremendous numbers for 3s. How do we get them both? :)
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#276 » by Illmatic12 » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:12 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
youngWizzy wrote:I think it's about time the Wizards get a legitimate vertical spacer who can rebound and defend (our biggest weaknesses).

Onyeka Okongwu is that guy and is incredibly versatile...I do think he has the chance to be the 4th best player in this draft if he enters.

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NCAA Draft 2020: Biggest rising and falling stocks at end of non-conference

Rising – Onyeka Okungwu

The freshman forward has been a pleasant surprise to start off the season for the Trojans and he is continuing to raise his profile

USC has been regarded in the past for the recruitment of the Mobley brother’s, Evan (high school senior this year) and Isaiah (freshman on USC now), but it’s been Okungwu who has stood out for the Trojans so far this season.

The former Chino Hills big man is averaging 18.4 and 9.0 rebounds per game on the season and has looked super impressive out of the gates.

The offense has been a great development, but where Okungwu will really set himself apart will be the value he’s going to offer on the defensive end of the floor. He already had eight blocks in a game this season, and is carrying impressive averages of 2.7 blocks and 1.4 steals per game.

In theory, Okungwu has the athletic ability to protect the rim as a shot blocker, and the foot speed and agility to stay with guards in space. That versatility is perfect for the new age NBA.

If Okungwu continues to play offense the way he has so far, NBA Front Offices will fall in love with him as a prospect combing those exploits with his defense and motor.
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Watched USC vs Long Beach State the other day. Okongwu didn’t show much as a scorer , but his defensive instincts were on display . He is also a very good and willing passer for a big which I wasn’t expecting.

I’m not quite as high on his ceiling though. He’s a little on the small side .. plays like Adebayo but not as big or powerful. Think he can at least be a similar role player to Dwight Powell on the Mavericks.
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#277 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:17 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:Watched USC vs Long Beach State the other day. Okongwu didn’t show much as a scorer , but his defensive instincts were on display . He is also a very good and willing passer for a big which I wasn’t expecting.

I’m not quite as high on his ceiling though. He’s a little on the small side .. plays like Adebayo but not as big or powerful. Think he can at least be a similar role player to Dwight Powell on the Mavericks.



Here's a neat tool that allows you to compare the final collegiate seasons of similar prospects over the years:

I comped him to Wendell Carter, Jr., Montrezl Harrell and Dwight Powell.

Okongwu measures out well against all of these guys. I clearly need to watch more video of him against high level competition.
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#278 » by Ruzious » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:32 pm

payitforward wrote:
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pcbothwel wrote:Im a fan of Toppin... but My sleeper big is Paul Reed from Depaul.... He gets my "Brandon Clarke" award this year.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=paul-reed--obi-toppin--brandon-clarke

As a Wiz fan, I would love nothing more than to snag our future PG in the top 6-8 (Anthony or Mannion) and accrue another 1st to get one of the wings/bigs that look great (Okoro, Toppin, Reed, Bey, etc.)

Im on the Okoro, Reed, Bey bandwagon... all 3 play a decade in the league and GMs will wonder how they missed...

None of Toppin, Reed or Bey have per 40 minute numbers at the level of Clarke -- really good, all of them; but not up with Clarke.

Tyler Bey seems likely to be a wing in the NBA, no? Do I have that right? In that context, his numbers are extremely impressive. Above all his rebounding.

Wait... Toppin is also a SF? Not a PF...? He & Bey have absolutely tremendous numbers for 3s. How do we get them both? :)

Frankly (as opposed to honestly?), I think Toppin is more a 4/5 than a 3. I don't think he has the agility/quickness to play the 3 in the NBA. Bay kinda reminds me of Robert Covington.
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#279 » by Ruzious » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:36 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:Watched USC vs Long Beach State the other day. Okongwu didn’t show much as a scorer , but his defensive instincts were on display . He is also a very good and willing passer for a big which I wasn’t expecting.

I’m not quite as high on his ceiling though. He’s a little on the small side .. plays like Adebayo but not as big or powerful. Think he can at least be a similar role player to Dwight Powell on the Mavericks.



Here's a neat tool that allows you to compare the final collegiate seasons of similar prospects over the years:

I comped him to Wendell Carter, Jr., Montrezl Harrell and Dwight Powell.

Okongwu measures out well against all of these guys. I clearly need to watch more video of him against high level competition.

And he'll still be 19 when next season starts - he's close to 3 years younger than Toppin, and his overall stats are even better. His FT shooting is over 70%, so there's hope for his jump shot - eventually. I would pick him ahead of Toppin.
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#280 » by Illmatic12 » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:54 pm

Very cool Jamaaliver , thanks for the link . Didn’t even know tankathon had that feature .

Think I’d take Okongwu over Toppin as well. I don’t see Toppin being able to guard the perimeter on the NBA , and he doesn’t seem like he has the instincts to play the small ball 5 at a playoff-caliber level.

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