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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#261 » by arusinov » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:33 am

WizarDynasty wrote:
Gig18 wrote:Deni's going to be a turbo-charged Tom gugliotta.
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Deni was a track Athlete, he can accelerate on a live dribble after double crossover between his legs..Nasty--Goog could never do antything like that, neither could
. This dude deni can deeply bend his hips for long durations of time and crossover between his legs. It's like the Wiz found the only person in the draft that could do what i have been preaching for weeks. Deep hip bend for long duration of time while dribbling.
Deni has it. This guy Deni if he stays healthy is going to be one of the greatest forwards in Washington History. I never said anything close to that about Otto Porter, Oubre, Troy Brown, Vesely, Nick Young, Jarvis Hayes, Richard Hamilton.
Gugliotta can't accelerate while running. Deni can shoot off the dribble and create his shot off the dribble. Gugliotta was a catch and shoot and couldn't create space of a live dribble for his shot. Deni is 19 and can cross between his legs with a deep hip bend like Kyrie.
tom Gugliotta was either a catch and shoot or drive straight line to basket without being able to stop his momentum. They are very different players. TOM was purely a powerforward catch and shoot, Deni is true point forward, with elite handles or close to elite. He is much more like Paul Pierce.


Yes. People say Deni is slow and will not be able to score against defenders which are NBA level athletes.
Kind of interesting that Okoro which was selected 5th mostly because of his defense wasn't SEC "Defensive Player of the Year".
Yves Pons is. Pons is allegedly "a freak athlete" and his Tennessee teammates nicknamed him "Tarzan"... He's also like 6'6" - 6'7" - couple of inches smaller than Avdija.

Here's Yves Pons trying to stop Deni Avdija in 2020 Euro U20 SemiFinals:
https://youtu.be/HCH-nc8_UmI?t=135
https://youtu.be/HCH-nc8_UmI?t=246
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#262 » by queridiculo » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:02 am

Serious question, can Deni finish lefty?

I have not seen him make a single layup with his left hand in all of the highlight videos I have seen of the kid.
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Post#263 » by arusinov » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:26 am

queridiculo wrote:Serious question, can Deni finish lefty?

I have not seen him make a single layup with his left hand in all of the highlight videos I have seen of the kid.


He can finish with left hand and does it quite a bit: the dunk agains Barcelona is left handed, there's also dunk when he switched from right to left hand, he posts players on right side and finish with left hand, he also finished with left hand on some cuts to basket...

But... He almost never drives to the left, and if he is - it's almost never go left, lay up /dunk from left (anything but this: floater, assists, finish with right hand). He should be able to do it (his off-hand ball-handling while much worse not really bad, and as I said he can finish with left) - but he's very hesitant to even try it...

It's basically his most important flaw right now (I know people think it's shooting - but he's not really bad 3p shooter, and I'm almost 100% sure he will get over FT% problem quite quickly)
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#264 » by prime1time » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:22 pm

queridiculo wrote:Serious question, can Deni finish lefty?

I have not seen him make a single layup with his left hand in all of the highlight videos I have seen of the kid.

I've seen 3 or 4 lefty layups. And more lefty dunks. Definitely, a major weakness that needs to be corrected.
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Post#265 » by Shoe » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:26 pm

arusinov wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:
Gig18 wrote:Deni's going to be a turbo-charged Tom gugliotta.
Goooogs

Deni was a track Athlete, he can accelerate on a live dribble after double crossover between his legs..Nasty--Goog could never do antything like that, neither could
. This dude deni can deeply bend his hips for long durations of time and crossover between his legs. It's like the Wiz found the only person in the draft that could do what i have been preaching for weeks. Deep hip bend for long duration of time while dribbling.
Deni has it. This guy Deni if he stays healthy is going to be one of the greatest forwards in Washington History. I never said anything close to that about Otto Porter, Oubre, Troy Brown, Vesely, Nick Young, Jarvis Hayes, Richard Hamilton.
Gugliotta can't accelerate while running. Deni can shoot off the dribble and create his shot off the dribble. Gugliotta was a catch and shoot and couldn't create space of a live dribble for his shot. Deni is 19 and can cross between his legs with a deep hip bend like Kyrie.
tom Gugliotta was either a catch and shoot or drive straight line to basket without being able to stop his momentum. They are very different players. TOM was purely a powerforward catch and shoot, Deni is true point forward, with elite handles or close to elite. He is much more like Paul Pierce.


Yes. People say Deni is slow and will not be able to score against defenders which are NBA level athletes.
Kind of interesting that Okoro which was selected 5th mostly because of his defense wasn't SEC "Defensive Player of the Year".
Yves Pons is. Pons is allegedly "a freak athlete" and his Tennessee teammates nicknamed him "Tarzan"... He's also like 6'6" - 6'7" - couple of inches smaller than Avdija.

Here's Yves Pons trying to stop Deni Avdija in 2020 Euro U20 SemiFinals:
https://youtu.be/HCH-nc8_UmI?t=135
https://youtu.be/HCH-nc8_UmI?t=246


This is about as quick of a first step as one can hope for with a 6'9 player.
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Yves Pons is also a defensive guy in the NCAA who averaged 2.5 blocks a game , but didn't face anyone that tall who can handle on the perimeter. It's almost like there's a reason Deni was a projected top 4 pick.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#266 » by Ruzious » Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:11 pm

Shoe wrote: This is about as quick of a first step as one can hope for with a 6'9 player.
Spoiler:

That's a fascinating move - it was like a backwards first step, and by doing that, he walled off the defender. Not sure I've ever seen that move before. Kid's already got his own bag o tricks to get to the rim. I see he also knows how to use his knees to create contact - sometimes to get separation preventing someone from blocking his shot and sometimes to draw fouls.
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Post#267 » by queridiculo » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:17 pm

Ruzious wrote:That's a fascinating move - it was like a backwards first step, and by doing that, he walled off the defender. Not sure I've ever seen that move before. Kid's already got his own bag o tricks to get to the rim. I see he also knows how to use his knees to create contact - sometimes to get separation preventing someone from blocking his shot and sometimes to draw fouls.


If you haven't seen that move it's probably because no NBA defender in their right mind would put himself into that kind of position at the top of the key.

I'll give him credit for reading his defender though.
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Post#268 » by Shoe » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:25 pm

queridiculo wrote:
Ruzious wrote:That's a fascinating move - it was like a backwards first step, and by doing that, he walled off the defender. Not sure I've ever seen that move before. Kid's already got his own bag o tricks to get to the rim. I see he also knows how to use his knees to create contact - sometimes to get separation preventing someone from blocking his shot and sometimes to draw fouls.


If you haven't seen that move it's probably because no NBA defender in their right mind would put himself into that kind of position at the top of the key.

I'll give him credit for reading his defender though.


This was after Avdija hit two pull up 3's. Also they wanted to force a right hand dominant player left.
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Post#269 » by doclinkin » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:42 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Shoe wrote: This is about as quick of a first step as one can hope for with a 6'9 player.
Spoiler:

That's a fascinating move - it was like a backwards first step, and by doing that, he walled off the defender. Not sure I've ever seen that move before. Kid's already got his own bag o tricks to get to the rim. I see he also knows how to use his knees to create contact - sometimes to get separation preventing someone from blocking his shot and sometimes to draw fouls.



Whereas I'm always impressed with the crowd noise in international ball. Especially when it is nation vs nation.
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Post#270 » by doclinkin » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:59 pm

With improved shooting I think Deni is in the Danilo Gallinari category. Crafty player, smart defender, competitive mindset, who finds a way to be an asset on the floor with good athleticism if not jaw dropping bounce or overwhelming power. That's a good player to pick up in any draft though. Deni seems to have the edge in crafty ballhandling, while Gallo has a sweet shot and has hit 90% from the line some years. Still, shooting can improve.

I honestly think if we move on from Brooks, a guy with Euro experience would be a good coach or coordinator to have on the bench. We have a rack of guys who like to handle and pass and play intelligently off the ball, without top end athleticism. The Spurs and GSW use many of the Euro concepts. Brown and Beal would instantly take over any Euro team you had put them on, their games blend perfectly. But I can even see Bryant benefitting, able to take a pass and finish from any ballhandler at any position.
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Post#271 » by WizarDynasty » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:19 pm

doclinkin wrote:With improved shooting I think Deni is in the Danilo Gallinari category. Crafty player, smart defender, competitive mindset, who finds a way to be an asset on the floor with good athleticism if not jaw dropping bounce or overwhelming power. That's a good player to pick up in any draft though. Deni seems to have the edge in crafty ballhandling, while Gallo has a sweet shot and has hit 90% from the line some years. Still, shooting can improve.

I honestly think if we move on from Brooks, a guy with Euro experience would be a good coach or coordinator to have on the bench. We have a rack of guys who like to handle and pass and play intelligently off the ball, without top end athleticism. The Spurs and GSW use many of the Euro concepts. Brown and Beal would instantly take over any Euro team you had put them on, their games blend perfectly. But I can even see Bryant benefitting, able to take a pass and finish from any ballhandler at any position.

Galli has poor hip bend compared to Deni.
Galli hip bend while dribbling for long duration 3.4/10 and Deni's hip bend for long duration while dribbling is 9/10. Elite.
Galli's handles are about 3/10 and Deni's hendles are 8.5/10. Just no comparison.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#272 » by nate33 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:23 pm

doclinkin wrote:With improved shooting I think Deni is in the Danilo Gallinari category. Crafty player, smart defender, competitive mindset, who finds a way to be an asset on the floor with good athleticism if not jaw dropping bounce or overwhelming power. That's a good player to pick up in any draft though. Deni seems to have the edge in crafty ballhandling, while Gallo has a sweet shot and has hit 90% from the line some years. Still, shooting can improve.

I honestly think if we move on from Brooks, a guy with Euro experience would be a good coach or coordinator to have on the bench. We have a rack of guys who like to handle and pass and play intelligently off the ball, without top end athleticism. The Spurs and GSW use many of the Euro concepts. Brown and Beal would instantly take over any Euro team you had put them on, their games blend perfectly. But I can even see Bryant benefitting, able to take a pass and finish from any ballhandler at any position.

Really good point.

This team needs to get away from the superstar-and-role players mindset that they depended on back in the day when Wall and Beal were the creators and decision-makers on offense and everyone else was merely a finisher (Gortat as a rim runner and Ariza/Porter/Markieff as catch-and-shoot guys). Our team isn't built like that anymore. Nobody other than Beal is really a primary option who can draw a double team, but there are a lot of guys who can make decisions in secondary action against an off balance defense. It's time to leverage that as an advantage, rather than pigeon-holing those guys to be unthinking finishers.
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Post#273 » by Ed Wood » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:15 pm

Deni is a better athlete than Gallo (by a fair margin at this point, but Gallo has also dealt with a lot of injuries, the difference wouldn't be quite as stark were we to compare them at the same ages). I'd expect Deni to be a better on ball defender in the NBA than Gallo once he's had the chance to acclimate. His (Deni's) rebounding numbers have also been generally more impressive thus far in his European career. By contrast, it's hard to project Deni as ascending to the offensive heights that Gallo has. Gallo is kind of good at everything offensively - I guess he's only an okay interior finisher and his assist rates aren't sky high (but then again his turnover rates are incredibly low). Dude's top 15 all time in offensive rating for a reason. Deni is going to have to blossom like crazy to be in the same neighborhood as Gallo as an offensive player (so would anyone else in the draft).

It's a little harder to compare the two in terms of their European stats than it is to compare Deni to some other European prospects - Gallo was born in August and Deni in January, so the two are kind of staggered half a year age-wise. Gallo didn't play in the Euroleague in his age 18-19 season, then played very well there in his age 19-20 season. It's worth noting that Milano was terrible that year - which doesn't appear to have been his fault but helps provide a little context for his prominence. So if we treat that year as one year ahead of Deni developmentally, he doesn't fare too badly - Gallo was more central to his team in the Euroleague and capable of being a productive Euroleague player, which Deni probably wasn't this last year, but we don't know what Gallo would have done with the same chance a year earlier either. Gallo did play domestically for Milano a year earlier, and was good if not quite as good as Deni domestically this past year (but he was more of a scoring wing, the two aren't perfect parallels to line up that way).

Anyway, I think Gallo was a better prospect by the numbers coming into the league, and I don't think it's exactly a close call. Even if Gallo was a little older, I can't just credit Deni with having made the kind of leap to be as productive as Gallo was (the bird in hand, statistically). Even so, it's not entirely a pro-Gallo head-to-head: Deni was better at specific things (rebounding, finishing, defense as best I can tell) and he was on a dramatically better team (which is part of the minutes and impact disparity I think, but might also have helped his efficiency). I think Gallo is a closer comparable in terms of how compelling the two were as prospects than say Hezonja, but Gallo had more to recommend him as an offensive threat coming into the league and he's become better than I think even that promise suggested he would offensively.
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Post#274 » by WizarDynasty » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:38 pm

Ed Wood wrote:Deni is a better athlete than Gallo (by a fair margin at this point, but Gallo has also dealt with a lot of injuries, the difference wouldn't be quite as stark were we to compare them at the same ages). I'd expect Deni to be a better on ball defender in the NBA than Gallo once he's had the chance to acclimate. His (Deni's) rebounding numbers have also been generally more impressive thus far in his European career. By contrast, it's hard to project Deni as ascending to the offensive heights that Gallo has. Gallo is kind of good at everything offensively - I guess he's only an okay interior finisher and his assist rates aren't sky high (but then again his turnover rates are incredibly low). Dude's top 15 all time in offensive rating for a reason. Deni is going to have to blossom like crazy to be in the same neighborhood as Gallo as an offensive player (so would anyone else in the draft).

In terms of European precursor stats - it's a little harder to compare the two than it is to compare Deni to some other European prospects - Gallo was born in August and Deni in January, so the two are kind of staggered half a year age-wise. Gallo didn't play in the Euroleague in his age 18-19 season, then played very well there in his age 19-20 season. It's worth noting that Milano was terrible that year - which doesn't appear to have been his fault but helps provide a little context for his prominence. So if we treat that year as one year ahead of Deni developmentally, he doesn't fare too badly - Gallo was more central to his team in the Euroleague and capable of being a productive Euroleague player, which Deni probably wasn't this last year, but we don't know what Gallo would have done with the same chance a year earlier either. Gallo did play domestically for Milano a year earlier, and was good if not quite as good as Deni domestically this past year (but he was more of a scoring wing, the two aren't perfect parallels to line up that way).

Anyway, I think Gallo was a better prospect by the numbers coming into the league, and I don't think it's exactly a close call. Even if Gallo was a little older, I can't just credit Deni with having made the kind of leap to be as productive as Gallo was (the bird in hand, statistically). Even so, it's not entirely a pro-Gallo head-to-head: Deni was better at specific things (rebounding, finishing, defense as best I can tell) and he was on a dramatically better team (which is part of the minutes and impact disparity I think, but might also have helped his efficiency). I think Gallo is a closer comparable in terms of how compelling the two were as prospects than say Hezonja, but Gallo had more to recommend him as an offensive threat coming into the league and he's become better than I think even that promise suggested he would offensively.


Gallinari has never shot close to .50 let alone, barely once close to .45. He has horrible efficiency and he is not a guard. That tells me that he plays like an inefficient guard on offense with no elite defensive numbers. Looking at Galli's numbers, you would think he was a point guard that couldn't actually pass and never took the ball inside to score. He rebounds like a point guard, 5 rebounds a game for a small forward/ power forward. Not even close to a block a game. Never once did he average close to a steal a game.
I don't think there is really a comparison between Deni and Galli. Galli stats clearly shows that he can't get into the lane and get high field goal percentage shots. He gets to the line, but if he is not getting to line, his field goal percentage factoring 2 pointers isn't much higher than his 3pt % which is really really bad. That tells me he is really one dimensional. That's purely looking at the stats. When I look at his actual footage, it makes sense because he has poor handles, he can't deeply bend his hips for a long duration, and defensively he has poor hip bend. there 1000's of players that dream of being NBA players, if he is injured, he still has to be better than the 1000's upon 1000's of players who probably could average better than a steal and 5 rebounds a game.

Gallo came into the league has 3 point shooter, and as time went on, it appears he never developed anything else in his game. Let's hope Deni doesn't have the same trajectory. AGain, I see way more paul pierce in Deni than I do galli.
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Post#275 » by tontoz » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:22 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:Gallinari has never shot close to .50 let alone, barely once close to .45. He has horrible efficiency and he is not a guard. That tells me that he plays like an inefficient guard on offense with no elite defensive numbers.


Just because you don't like his hip bend doesn't make him an inefficient scorer. He takes a lot of 3s and shoots them well which helps his scoring efficiency but hurts his FG%. FG% is a useless stat for players that shoot 3s.

Gallo's EFG was 55% the last two seasons and that doesn't even take into account his elite foul shooting.
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Post#276 » by WallToWall » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:24 pm

Does anyone have the ranking for hip bend for this past draft class? Asking for a friend...
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Post#277 » by payitforward » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:51 pm

prime1time wrote:...But the reality is there's no evidence of anything (i.e. about Deni as an NBA player. Preseason starts December 10th with the season starting December 22nd. His game will speak for itself. One way or another.

But I must say I watched over 2 hours of tape and I disagree with many of your conclusions. Maybe you should include actual youtube clips with time stamps to support your conlcusions. His lateral quickness is actually pretty solid and most scouts projected him as a solid defender. Not to mention he is great with rotations.
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At 29:20 the scout Mike Schmitz literally says he's impressed with his defense. I find it fascinating that your whole post is bent on attacking him. You find me how many wings in this draft that showed anywhere near the awareness that Deni did defensively. He's light years ahead of Rui defensively. But because you don't like the player all we get is paragraph after paragraph of his supposed flaws.

You talk about his FT % and it is a concern, but you leave out the fact that he shot 33% from 3 on 183 shots. How many players have completely broken jumpers at put up those kinds of numbers? More so, those numbers don't even do him justice because since then he has actually worked on his game. He tweaked his jumper before his league restarted in the summer and he's tweaking his jumper again now. The video above talks about his jumper, but tbh, it is so outdated. Since his league ended, he has become much more lean and in cut working at P3 in Atlanta. So again, even if you were right about his lack of lateral speed (which I question), we would have to point out that he's in a completely different shape.

Ultimately the problem with your post is this. If a guy had no flaws he wouldn't have fallen to us....

He wouldn't be human! :)

This is all on the money, prime. This stuff, however,...
prime1time wrote:...your argument isn't even about Advija. It's with the Wizards management. ...you literally make stuff up.
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It's anecdotal but this had Clarke at 27 and Rui at 12....

Which means what...? I saw mocks that had Rui in late R1 > early R2. There were plenty of people who rated Clarke higher than Rui. For good reason, since he was obviously the better player at Gonzaga -- by a lot not a little.

prime1time wrote:...1 year in it's not clear that Clarke is "clearly the better player."

Yes, there is still time for Clarke to become horrible & for Rui to become an average or better NBA player. Doesn't mean either one will happen.

But, here's what is clear -- utterly clear: Brandon Clarke was better than Rui as an NBA rookie. Far better. & he was better at Gonzaga too.

Not to mention that, if Rui had put up Clarke's numbers as a rookie, & Clarke had put up Rui's numbers, you wouldn't be saying what you just did. You'd be crowing through the roof about how great Rui is -- & certainly about how obviously way much better than Clarke he was. :) Don't deny it!

prime1time wrote:...As Rui continues to improve his game, I look forward to the incessant posts on this board reminding us of just how bad he is...

Have their been incessant posts so far about how bad Rui is? Can you point to a few of them? Or do you mean posts pointing to things he hasn't done well? Is that it?

prime1time wrote:...And if I had to guess unless Advija ends up becoming Doncic it'll be the same incessant denigrating posts about him also...

Actually, many of us who didn't like the pick of Rui Hachimura (which is, of course, different from not liking him -- it'd be hard not to like Rui!) do like the pick of Deni Avdija.

prime1time wrote:...for posters who are interested in actually breaking down Deni's game and having a genuine conversation about his strengths, weaknesses, and future potential in the near future I'll be posting breakdowns of his game film.

Do you mean you'll do that instead of just criticizing people who disagree with you for reasons that you make up? That would be great! Look forward to that.
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Post#278 » by WizarDynasty » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:53 pm

tontoz wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:Gallinari has never shot close to .50 let alone, barely once close to .45. He has horrible efficiency and he is not a guard. That tells me that he plays like an inefficient guard on offense with no elite defensive numbers.


Just because you don't like his hip bend doesn't make him an inefficient scorer. He takes a lot of 3s and shoots them well which helps his scoring efficiency but hurts his FG%. FG% is a useless stat for players that shoot 3s.

Gallo's EFG was 55% the last two seasons and that doesn't even take into account his elite foul shooting.

Gallo shoots 3's but he isn't getting any offensive rebounds when he is not shooting threes. He is not gaining additional possessions because he has very low offensive rebounds for his team. His low assists number suggest that he is not drawing double teams and making his team more efficient. .
He is spot 3 point specialist with a very poor all around game. Basically a JJ Reddick. Even though he is taller, his height is off no use because he rebounds and shot blocks like a point guard, and his steals are like that of a center. He has all of the negative traits associated with a point guard... poor rebounding, low field goal percentage. no shot blocks, and all of the negative traits of a center, poor steals, low assists.
He shoots free throws good, and he shoots 3 pointers.
Visual evidence shows that he doesn't have ball handling skills and he has poor hip bend while dribbling---hence poor body control-- which is a major reason why he field goal percentage is so low. He doesn't have the handles and body control to exploit being guarded tightly...and get easy high percentage shots.
a key point in basketball is that if you are great shooter, a defender has to play you tightly and this makes it easy to drive by him.
Gallo's lack of handles means that he can't take advantage of being guarded tightly because of his deadly 3 point shot. Basically alot of the same exact issues with Bertans.
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Post#279 » by tontoz » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:03 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:
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WizarDynasty wrote:Gallinari has never shot close to .50 let alone, barely once close to .45. He has horrible efficiency and he is not a guard. That tells me that he plays like an inefficient guard on offense with no elite defensive numbers.


Just because you don't like his hip bend doesn't make him an inefficient scorer. He takes a lot of 3s and shoots them well which helps his scoring efficiency but hurts his FG%. FG% is a useless stat for players that shoot 3s.

Gallo's EFG was 55% the last two seasons and that doesn't even take into account his elite foul shooting.

Gallo shoots 3's but he isn't getting any offensive rebounds when he is not shooting threes. He is not gaining additional possessions because he has very low offensive rebounds for his team. His low assists number suggest that he is not drawing double teams and making his team more efficient. .
He is spot 3 point specialist with a very poor all around game. Basically a JJ Reddick. Even though he is taller, his height is off no use because he rebounds and shot blocks like a point guard, and his steals are like that of a center. He has all of the negative traits associated with a point guard... poor rebounding, low field goal percentage. no shot blocks, and all of the negative traits of a center, poor steals, low assists.
He shoots free throws good, and he shoots 3 pointers.
Visual evidence shows that he doesn't have ball handling skills and he has poor hip bend while dribbling---hence poor body control-- which is a major reason why he field goal percentage is so low. He doesn't have the handles and body control to exploit being guarded tightly...and get easy high percentage shots.
a key point in basketball is that if you are great shooter, a defender has to play you tightly and this makes it easy to drive by him.
Gallo's lack of handles means that he can't take advantage of being guarded tightly because of his deadly 3 point shot. Basically alot of the same exact issues with Bertans.



Gallo gets to the foul line 8 times per 100 possessions for his career (for comparison Beal has only beaten that once in his career, last season) so he isn't just a spot up shooter. Among power forwards he ranks 3rd in ORPM:

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/6

Again FG% is a useless stat for perimeter players in today's game.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#280 » by WizarDynasty » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:02 pm

tontoz wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:
tontoz wrote:
Just because you don't like his hip bend doesn't make him an inefficient scorer. He takes a lot of 3s and shoots them well which helps his scoring efficiency but hurts his FG%. FG% is a useless stat for players that shoot 3s.

Gallo's EFG was 55% the last two seasons and that doesn't even take into account his elite foul shooting.

Gallo shoots 3's but he isn't getting any offensive rebounds when he is not shooting threes. He is not gaining additional possessions because he has very low offensive rebounds for his team. His low assists number suggest that he is not drawing double teams and making his team more efficient. .
He is spot 3 point specialist with a very poor all around game. Basically a JJ Reddick. Even though he is taller, his height is off no use because he rebounds and shot blocks like a point guard, and his steals are like that of a center. He has all of the negative traits associated with a point guard... poor rebounding, low field goal percentage. no shot blocks, and all of the negative traits of a center, poor steals, low assists.
He shoots free throws good, and he shoots 3 pointers.
Visual evidence shows that he doesn't have ball handling skills and he has poor hip bend while dribbling---hence poor body control-- which is a major reason why he field goal percentage is so low. He doesn't have the handles and body control to exploit being guarded tightly...and get easy high percentage shots.
a key point in basketball is that if you are great shooter, a defender has to play you tightly and this makes it easy to drive by him.
Gallo's lack of handles means that he can't take advantage of being guarded tightly because of his deadly 3 point shot. Basically alot of the same exact issues with Bertans.



Gallo gets to the foul line 8 times per 100 possessions for his career (for comparison Beal has only beaten that once in his career, last season) so he isn't just a spot up shooter. Among power forwards he ranks 3rd in ORPM:

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/6

Again FG% is a useless stat for perimeter players in today's game.



What that tells me is that he is living off the refs whistle. If the ref is not blowing the whistle he isn't making his 2 point shots close to .50. That is not very good for a sf/pf. You can not count on Galli making a shot inside the arc during crunch time because without the whistle is shooting percentage is probably even lower than .42%. He lives off the refs whistle if he isn't getting wide open 3 point looks. Deni looks far more likely to not live off the refs whistle and convert above .50 if he takes the ball inside even against contact.
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