Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[Ruzious]

Since we can't get Miles Bridges from Char, let's try for Gordon Haywood. Char is desperate for a center - as Plumlee's been a disaster. Hayward's 31 and on an enormous contract, but he's become a great shooter and still a multi-dimensional player. Harrell, Kuzma, and KCP for Hayward actually saves us money this season. Add a draft swap for Char.

I really don't want to give up Harrell. I would rather wait until Bryant is healthy and then trade him instead. Anyway to package Bertans with him?

Remember, both Harrell and Bryant will be free agents after this season. At most, we'll keep one of them. Bertans doesn't have positive trade value.

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Why can't we get Bridges from Charlotte? They haven't extended him, can't come to an agreement, & risk losing him for nothing in the off season. & if Charlotte is desperate for a Center, then why can't we trade one of Bryant or Harrell in a deal for him?

[gambitx777]

Would unprotecting that pick OKC owns be enough for them to take bertans for favors?

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[Ruzious]

Would unprotecting that pick OKC owns be enough for them to take bertans for favors?

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Interesting idea, but at this point in his career, Favors is probably strictly a center, so I don't think there'd be any minutes for him on the Wiz.

[Ruzious]

Why can't we get Bridges from Charlotte? They haven't extended him, can't come to an agreement, & risk losing him for nothing in the off season. & if Charlotte is desperate for a Center, then why can't we trade one of Bryant or Harrell in a deal for him?

You could be right. Miles Bridges will be an RFA, and I just figured Char'll match any offer he gets - but ya never know - especially after the report from Bleacherreport.com. I think it's crazy that Charlotte is reportedly offering $30 mill less (over 4 years) to Miles than Phoenix gave to Mikal Bridges - from the same draft class. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10016603-nba-rumors-miles-bridges-was-offered-4-year-60m-hornets-contract-extension#:~:text=The%20Charlotte%20Hornets%20offered%20Miles%20Bridges%20a%20four-year%2C,offer%20was%20four%20years%2C%20%2460%20million%2C%22%20Windhorst%20said.

[bsilver]

Why can't we get Bridges from Charlotte? They haven't extended him, can't come to an agreement, & risk losing him for nothing in the off season. & if Charlotte is desperate for a Center, then why can't we trade one of Bryant or Harrell in a deal for him?

You could be right. Miles Bridges will be an RFA, and I just figured Char'll match any offer he gets - but ya never know - especially after the report from Bleacherreport.com. I think it's crazy that Charlotte is reportedly offering $30 mill less (over 4 years) to Miles than Phoenix gave to Mikal Bridges - from the same draft class. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10016603-nba-rumors-miles-bridges-was-offered-4-year-60m-hornets-contract-extension#:~:text=The%20Charlotte%20Hornets%20offered%20Miles%20Bridges%20a%20four-year%2C,offer%20was%20four%20years%2C%20%2460%20million%2C%22%20Windhorst%20said.

Seems like a no-brainer for Charlotte to pay Bridges about the same as the other Bridges. But, they have 116M committed for next year's salaries, and signing Bridges brings that to about 130M. That's a lot and they do need help at C, so it would be nice to exploit that situation. Of course if we got Bridges we'd have to expect a bidding war for his services next year.

They don't seem to be playing Vernon Carey Jr., or any other C on their roster other than Plumlee. He had some good games for them last season. He might be a good 3rd C for us if we trade Bryant or Harrell. If we trade a C we need to get some depth at that position, and he's a wide body that could be useful against some of the bulkier Cs we face.

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Another problem is that we have a whole lot of PFs already. If we're adding Bridges, we might want to send one of ours out, rather than Bryant: Kuzma or Rui would fit the bill best.

I wonder whether Rui has any trade value. Perhaps he'll return & redeem himself....

[gambitx777]

Would unprotecting that pick OKC owns be enough for them to take bertans for favors?

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Interesting idea, but at this point in his career, Favors is probably strictly a center, so I don't think there'd be any minutes for him on the Wiz.

Would that particularly matter? I mean we have plenty of bodies who can play 3/4 and once Rui gets back bertans becomes very expendable. Does it hurt to swap bigs and get out of a couple years of bertans contract to let favors be a high end insurance policy Incase something happens to our 2-3 main bigs. helll we might be able to flip him easier than we could flip bertans, a team with an injury or an unahppy player for a second or something. Idk I just feel like this is a good chance to get bertans off the books and this is an asset we can only use with OKC as a trade partner and they trade works out. Maybe we include Bryant if we are really willing to move on from him, but I'd hold off on that imo.


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[Topofthekey]

Probably too late to get Herro now. Dude's flipped the switch.

I'd honestly trade Brad for Barnes/filler/Sac 1st right now, but I doubt they'd agree.

And how long before he flips it again

[Ruzious]

Another problem is that we have a whole lot of PFs already. If we're adding Bridges, we might want to send one of ours out, rather than Bryant: Kuzma or Rui would fit the bill best.

I wonder whether Rui has any trade value. Perhaps he'll return & redeem himself....

I think of Bridges as a hybrid forward - who can play with anyone. But it'd take multiple players from us to get him; it's not either/or for what we'd have to give up; it's both.

Agreed on Rui - no sense in trading him now when his value is shot. He's got to rebuild it.

[Dat2U]

Ok I'm curious, resident cap experts, how much cap room can we create next off season by moving Rui & Bertans, with cap holds for Beal & Harrell?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I’m curious about trading Rui and Bertans to Portland for Robert Covington and Greg Brown III.

(Larry Nance and Anthony Gill balance out $$)


Covington is a terrific 3&D SF with playoff starting experience. 2018 NBA 1st team all defense. Him and KCP on the wings is almost unfair. Greg Brown III and Isaiah Todd are athletic freaks. Around the time the Wizards become champion contending these two MIGHT BE studs.

This simple deal rights everything. Nance is as solid as it comes and he’s another Laker pick. Keep trolling. It’s working

[nate33]

I’m curious about trading Rui and Bertans to Portland for Robert Covington and Greg Brown III.

(Larry Nance and Anthony Gill balance out $$)


Covington is a terrific 3&D SF with playoff starting experience. 2018 NBA 1st team all defense. Him and KCP on the wings is almost unfair. Greg Brown III and Isaiah Todd are athletic freaks. Around the time the Wizards become champion contending these two MIGHT BE studs.

This simple deal rights everything. Nance is as solid as it comes and he’s another Laker pick. Keep trolling. It’s working

The 2018 Covington was indeed a really good player, but the 2021 version, not so much. You gotta watch out for reputable perimeter defenders. They peak really early.

Portland ranked 29th in defense last year and 23rd this year. Covington can't be THAT good of a defender. Covington himself is averaging 7 points, 5 boards, 1.2 steals and 0.8 blocks in 29 minutes a night. I don't think he's much better than Rui at this point. I'd rather have the 23 year old than the 31 year old. It's not time for the Wizards to sacrifice youth for win-now vets. The Wizards are a pleasant surprise, but they're not actual contenders.

[nate33]

Ok I'm curious, resident cap experts, how much cap room can we create next off season by moving Rui & Bertans, with cap holds for Beal & Harrell?

Assuming Beal opts out of his player option in anticipation of receiving a full max, his cap hold is a max salary, or roughly $43M. Harrell's cap hold is $12.6M.

Dinwiddie, Kuzma, Avdija, Kispert, Gafford and Todd are under contract for a total of $43M. So even if we renounced Bryant, KCP, Holiday and Neto, and managed to give away Hachimura and Bertans with no salary coming back in return, our cap figure would be $98.6M. Factor our draft pick and 4 minimum salary vets and we're up to $105M or so. Leaving maybe $14M in cap room.

There really isn't a path to useful cap room as long as we pay Beal a supermax starting at $43M. If we retain Beal at a supermax without moving Bertans and Rui our salary figure will start at $108M without factoring the cost of resigning any of Harrell, KCP, Bryant, Holiday, Neto or our draft pick. The luxtax threshold is about $145M, so basically, we have $37M to work with when contemplating resigning any of our free agents (and or an MLE guy). We absolutely must retain at least one of Harrell/Bryant, and I really think we need KCP. Those two guys and our pick should use up most of the remaining room. Which is why I keep saying we're going to have to choose between Bryant and Harrell.

Of course, another option would be to not sign Beal to a supermax. Perhaps he is no longer a max caliber player under the new rules. He can opt in or his player option at $36M, or negotiate another contract here or elsewhere. But a big deal starting at $43M is looking pretty pricey.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I’m curious about trading Rui and Bertans to Portland for Robert Covington and Greg Brown III.

(Larry Nance and Anthony Gill balance out $$)


Covington is a terrific 3&D SF with playoff starting experience. 2018 NBA 1st team all defense. Him and KCP on the wings is almost unfair. Greg Brown III and Isaiah Todd are athletic freaks. Around the time the Wizards become champion contending these two MIGHT BE studs.

This simple deal rights everything. Nance is as solid as it comes and he’s another Laker pick. Keep trolling. It’s working

The 2018 Covington was indeed a really good player, but the 2021 version, not so much. You gotta watch out for reputable perimeter defenders. They peak really early.

Portland ranked 29th in defense last year and 23rd this year. Covington can't be THAT good of a defender. Covington himself is averaging 7 points, 5 boards, 1.2 steals and 0.8 blocks in 29 minutes a night. I don't think he's much better than Rui at this point. I'd rather have the 23 year old than the 31 year old. It's not time for the Wizards to sacrifice youth for win-now vets. The Wizards are a pleasant surprise, but they're not actual contenders.

I agree but I think even if the guy {Covington) is running on fumes he is in a contract year and this is the perfect situation for him. Worst case this is a Bertans' salary dump AND a win-win deal for Davis and Rui. Rui played college ball nearby. Portland can use him.

I HAVE A HUNCH...Greg Brown III. I don't care about Covington...he's had a great run coming from Tennessee St if he's done (which I doubt TBH). I don't know if it was "Doc Lincoln" that noticed him first in the D-League but I remember talking about Covington before Otto Porter got good. He was our Christian Wood before Christian Wood. Covington and KCP are both like Trevor Ariza (someone else mentioned KCP like great Ariza first)

I think between Todd and Brown III one of if not both might become a Scottie Pippen (before he turned green with MJ envy and hatred. That n-word lost his mind not dissimilar than I did at my worst).

Seriously. Pippen might be on the pipe! I hope it is merely he's incensed about MJ and the $10M for The Last Dance.

BROWN 3 AND TODD have the switchable defensive athleticism and defensive dog in them with good shot mechanics. One or both is a STUD. (Deni and Kispert can be their mentors.)

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ok I'm curious, resident cap experts, how much cap room can we create next off season by moving Rui & Bertans, with cap holds for Beal & Harrell?

Assuming Beal opts out of his player option in anticipation of receiving a full max, his cap hold is a max salary, or roughly $43M. Harrell's cap hold is $12.6M.

Dinwiddie, Kuzma, Avdija, Kispert, Gafford and Todd are under contract for a total of $43M. So even if we renounced Bryant, KCP, Holiday and Neto, and managed to give away Hachimura and Bertans with no salary coming back in return, our cap figure would be $98.6M. Factor our draft pick and 4 minimum salary vets and we're up to $105M or so. Leaving maybe $14M in cap room.

There really isn't a path to useful cap room as long as we pay Beal a supermax starting at $43M. If we retain Beal at a supermax without moving Bertans and Rui our salary figure will start at $108M without factoring the cost of resigning any of Harrell, KCP, Bryant, Holiday, Neto or our draft pick. The luxtax threshold is about $145M, so basically, we have $37M to work with when contemplating resigning any of our free agents (and or an MLE guy). We absolutely must retain at least one of Harrell/Bryant, and I really think we need KCP. Those two guys and our pick should use up most of the remaining room. Which is why I keep saying we're going to have to choose between Bryant and Harrell.

Of course, another option would be to not sign Beal to a supermax. Perhaps he is no longer a max caliber player under the new rules. He can opt in or his player option at $36M, or negotiate another contract here or elsewhere. But a big deal starting at $43M is looking pretty pricey.

I could negotiate with him REAL EASY.

https://hoopshype.com/player/bradley-beal/salary/

How much is 10 to 15 percent less than Beal's Super Max extension?

How much can Bird rights allow the Wizards to spend without getting hamstrung by the luxury tax?

Montrezl Harrell makes about six or seven million dollars a year. Bradley Beal is making 33 million this year but he's been making about 25 on average since signing his last contract.

Scorers get paid. Hoopshype says he's the 10th highest paid guard and the 19th best player.

The simplest way to negative is LET HIM TELL WHAT HE THINKS HE IS WORTH and if he is amenable to sharing the figure,

I'd even say let us know your deal breaker too low figure.

Get three figures, triangulation just like at the shooting range. Simple. If MONEY is the thing line up trades to Texas or Florida. State income tax is lower. Set up trades.

San Antonio. Miami. Or Dallas...mebbe Orlando.

Shoots, we might even trade Beal for John. It's real do-able. Knicks and Toronto are desperate. Three-way deal.


Right now I think Beal ain't no super max,,,but I see how the Lakers effed up undervaluing their pieces. Beal is Grade A Outstanding Character and terrific player.

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[dckingsfan]

Ok I'm curious, resident cap experts, how much cap room can we create next off season by moving Rui & Bertans, with cap holds for Beal & Harrell?

This indeed is a first world problem - too much talent and not enough payroll. But it is indeed a problem - especially since I see zero pathway that Beal doesn't get the supermax and Harrell is working toward a very large contract.

Tommy is going to have his hands full both at the trade deadline and in the off-season.

I see #SoWizards coming - so I am just going to enjoy this run.

[9 and 20]

Still hoping for Celtics implosion so we can snag Tatum for Bertans and Isuf Sanon. Then trade rights to Vladimir Veermenko for Ben Simmons, call it a day.

[J-Ves]

Would unprotecting that pick OKC owns be enough for them to take bertans for favors?

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That would be a start but you don’t get to unload two terrible contracts with 1 draft pick. Another future 1st or equivalent asset would have to be going OKCs way

[FAH1223]

Ok I'm curious, resident cap experts, how much cap room can we create next off season by moving Rui & Bertans, with cap holds for Beal & Harrell?

Assuming Beal opts out of his player option in anticipation of receiving a full max, his cap hold is a max salary, or roughly $43M. Harrell's cap hold is $12.6M.

Dinwiddie, Kuzma, Avdija, Kispert, Gafford and Todd are under contract for a total of $43M. So even if we renounced Bryant, KCP, Holiday and Neto, and managed to give away Hachimura and Bertans with no salary coming back in return, our cap figure would be $98.6M. Factor our draft pick and 4 minimum salary vets and we're up to $105M or so. Leaving maybe $14M in cap room.

There really isn't a path to useful cap room as long as we pay Beal a supermax starting at $43M. If we retain Beal at a supermax without moving Bertans and Rui our salary figure will start at $108M without factoring the cost of resigning any of Harrell, KCP, Bryant, Holiday, Neto or our draft pick. The luxtax threshold is about $145M, so basically, we have $37M to work with when contemplating resigning any of our free agents (and or an MLE guy). We absolutely must retain at least one of Harrell/Bryant, and I really think we need KCP. Those two guys and our pick should use up most of the remaining room. Which is why I keep saying we're going to have to choose between Bryant and Harrell.

Of course, another option would be to not sign Beal to a supermax. Perhaps he is no longer a max caliber player under the new rules. He can opt in or his player option at $36M, or negotiate another contract here or elsewhere. But a big deal starting at $43M is looking pretty pricey.

Isn't KCP signed to a non-guaranteed $14M next season? IIRC, the December 2020 contract he signed with LAL was for 3 years with a partial guarantee on the 2022-23 season.