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Post#261 » by gambitx777 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:30 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:If things stay as they are, we’ll likely have a shot at one of Harrison, Maye, Fashanu or Daniels.

Who would you all grab?
If we are determined to take a QB. I'd try and trade back and pick up some extra picks and target Daniels somewhere around 10. I think that way too much value to not try and pull that off. I think it's worth the attempt. If you miss out on Daniels by moving back you can reassess and move back again agine more picks and consider nixx or Penix.

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Post#262 » by Halcyon » Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:28 am

Not sold on Maye nor Daniels. I would go with MHJ then Fashanu
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Post#263 » by gambitx777 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:51 pm

Halcyon wrote:Not sold on Maye nor Daniels. I would go with MHJ then Fashanu
Daniels at 3 is an absolute no! But trading back a couple times and getting some future picks and a couple a Seconds. I'm all for that and more open to taking him.

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Post#264 » by pancakes3 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:21 pm

yuck.

that's the other thing. I don't see any peyton mannings in this draft. Not even Baker Mayfields. Lots of old qb's with lots of question marks who aren't as good as the qb's that were drafted last year.

i like Maye and JJ McCarthy but I don't see how Maye is an upgrade to Howell, and JJ is definitely a 4th rounder you take a shot at IF he checks out at his pro day and in interviews
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Post#265 » by gambitx777 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:04 pm

pancakes3 wrote:yuck.

that's the other thing. I don't see any peyton mannings in this draft. Not even Baker Mayfields. Lots of old qb's with lots of question marks who aren't as good as the qb's that were drafted last year.

i like Maye and JJ McCarthy but I don't see how Maye is an upgrade to Howell, and JJ is definitely a 4th rounder you take a shot at IF he checks out at his pro day and in interviews
I'm more or less on the same boat. I'm willing to compromise with the QB happy lot. But, I don't like Williams at all! Maye is a maybe. Daniels at the right spot is fine. Penix and nix in the second or third is fine too. I like next year's class too. The NIL is going to effect QB more than anything. If you can be the man, the town hero, king of the camp and make a couple mill a year. Why wouldn't you. There isn't any garubted that you're gonna make it in the NFL VS staying in college and living it up. Sure you can get hurt but you're getting paid either way.

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Post#266 » by TGW » Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:20 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
i like Maye and JJ McCarthy but I don't see how Maye is an upgrade to Howell, and JJ is definitely a 4th rounder you take a shot at IF he checks out at his pro day and in interviews


uh what?

Maye projects to be better than Howell at just about everything. Better arm, more mobile, bigger, taller, better throwing mechanics, better at processing and reading defenses. Maye actually goes through progressions better than Howell TODAY.

There's a reason why Maye is projected to go #2 in a solid QB class while Howell went in the 5th round in a weak QB class. Maye has the profile of a true franchise quarterback. Howell does not. Howell is a really nice 5th round pick, but to compare him to Maye is goofy.
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Post#267 » by Silvie Lysandra » Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:34 am

PaulinVA wrote:Not to talk counter the above excellent conversation, but the Chiefs just got embarrassed by the Raiders. Their mobile HoF QB was running for his life on EVERY pass play.

I agree you need an excellent QB, but he'll be neutralized by a terrible/hurt O-line.

I can't wait to see what our new GM does.


So like, this isn't even true. Mahomes literally just had a **** game for the first time in his career.

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His WRs are really bad though outside Kelce though. But he just placed really indecisive and held the ball a really long time.

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This is much better directionally but I just wouldn't draft defense prior to round 4-5 at all this year. Also you still want a tackle with that 1st 2nd rounder pick because that's where the depth of the class is .
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Post#268 » by TGW » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:09 pm

My issues with Daniels: although he's a phenomenal scrambler, he's a big injury risk. He sustained several injuries this past year and protecting himself was a problem. At 6'3, 205, he needs to get bigger to be able to withstand hits in the NFL.

He's also 23 (Drake Maye is 21) so he's a bit older than I'd prefer for a quarterback at his skill level.
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Post#269 » by gambitx777 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:46 pm

Silvie Lysandra wrote:
PaulinVA wrote:Not to talk counter the above excellent conversation, but the Chiefs just got embarrassed by the Raiders. Their mobile HoF QB was running for his life on EVERY pass play.

I agree you need an excellent QB, but he'll be neutralized by a terrible/hurt O-line.

I can't wait to see what our new GM does.


So like, this isn't even true. Mahomes literally just had a **** game for the first time in his career.

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His WRs are really bad though outside Kelce though. But he just placed really indecisive and held the ball a really long time.

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This is much better directionally but I just wouldn't draft defense prior to round 4-5 at all this year. Also you still want a tackle with that 1st 2nd rounder pick because that's where the depth of the class is .


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PaulinVA wrote:Not to talk counter the above excellent conversation, but the Chiefs just got embarrassed by the Raiders. Their mobile HoF QB was running for his life on EVERY pass play.

I agree you need an excellent QB, but he'll be neutralized by a terrible/hurt O-line.

I can't wait to see what our new GM does.


So like, this isn't even true. Mahomes literally just had a **** game for the first time in his career.

Image

His WRs are really bad though outside Kelce though. But he just placed really indecisive and held the ball a really long time.

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This is much better directionally but I just wouldn't draft defense prior to round 4-5 at all this year. Also you still want a tackle with that 1st 2nd rounder pick because that's where the depth of the class is .


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Post#270 » by Dark Faze » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:10 pm

It lacks almost all rationality, but I'm not willing to draft a QB from UNC with a first-round pick.

If Daniels is available you can't really say no, even though you can likely see the things he might fail at from a mile away: Moving through NFL progressions, short to intermediate accuracy and throwing guys open, tight spaces, etc. The bet is that if he can just exceed expectations in those areas, not necessarily be great at them, then he's probably a franchise QB.

Smart move pulling Howell. I don't necessarily think it means he's done but if there's great success against the next two tough opponents then it's the kind of thing that can really make you reconsider your thoughts about EB, the o-line, etc. If they fail, you don't learn much, but you can probably feel okay about what you thought about EB and the offense.
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Post#271 » by PaulinVA » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:02 pm

But he just placed really indecisive and held the ball a really long time.


Yes, while running for his life.

I said his line was bad Sunday, not all year. They were banged up.

And I agree, outside of Rice and now sadly, to a lesser extent Kelce, KC's pass catchers are bad.

If Mahomes can't compensate for a bad o-line, who can?
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Post#272 » by Silvie Lysandra » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:10 pm

PaulinVA wrote:But he just placed really indecisive and held the ball a really long time.


Yes, while running for his life.

I said his line was bad Sunday, not all year. They were banged up.

And I agree, outside of Rice and now sadly, to a lesser extent Kelce, KC's pass catchers are bad.

If Mahomes can't compensate for a bad o-line, who can?


I literally posted his OL not playing badly.

If you don't like PFF, show your work as to why it's not a good measure of performance.
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Post#273 » by PaulinVA » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:16 pm

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PaulinVA wrote:But he just placed really indecisive and held the ball a really long time.


Yes, while running for his life.

I said his line was bad Sunday, not all year. They were banged up.

And I agree, outside of Rice and now sadly, to a lesser extent Kelce, KC's pass catchers are bad.

If Mahomes can't compensate for a bad o-line, who can?


I literally posted his OL not playing badly.

If you don't like PFF, show your work as to why it's not a good measure of performance.



He was scrambling on seemingly every play. Are we to infer that was the game plan? Mahomes is certainly an effective runner, but he' doesn't do it with the gung ho mentality that Josh Allen does.
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Post#274 » by PaulinVA » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:17 pm

PaulinVA wrote:
Silvie Lysandra wrote:
PaulinVA wrote:But he just placed really indecisive and held the ball a really long time.


Yes, while running for his life.

I said his line was bad Sunday, not all year. They were banged up.

And I agree, outside of Rice and now sadly, to a lesser extent Kelce, KC's pass catchers are bad.

If Mahomes can't compensate for a bad o-line, who can?


I literally posted his OL not playing badly.

If you don't like PFF, show your work as to why it's not a good measure of performance.



He was scrambling on seemingly every play. Are we to infer that was the game plan? Mahomes is certainly an effective runner, but he' doesn't do it with the gung ho mentality that Josh Allen does. I have to chalk at least some of that up to the O-line not being up to par Sunday.
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Post#275 » by Endless Loop » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:59 pm

PaulinVA wrote:But he just placed really indecisive and held the ball a really long time.


Yes, while running for his life.

I said his line was bad Sunday, not all year. They were banged up.

And I agree, outside of Rice and now sadly, to a lesser extent Kelce, KC's pass catchers are bad.

If Mahomes can't compensate for a bad o-line, who can?


QBs in the modern NFL are, IMO, overpaid relative to their contribution to team performance. Mahomes is a good example. Next year, his cap hit will be $57 million, versus total cap around $240 million. So one player is getting almost 25% of the cap. Mahomes is incredible, wonderful talent- but he's also so expensive that KC can't afford to give him the tools he needs to succeed.

SF is a juggernaut, and they pay their QB $870K a year. They can afford to retain top players because they aren't spending everything at the QB slot.

If the Commanders can land a great QB in the draft, then they'll have a huge competitive advantage for his first four years. The mystery is why it seems no one can figure out what college QBs will make great pros.

BTW this stuff about "Sam Howell can't be a good QB. After all, he's a fifth round pick," is such nonsense. The same logic says that it must also be true that Trey Lance, Zach Wilson and Bryce Young (and many more) are incredibly great, because they were drafted high. Sam Howell is Sam Howell. He's either good or he's not, but none of it has anything to do with where he was drafted.
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Post#276 » by W. Unseld » Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:27 pm

If there truly is a can't miss prospect at QB I guess you have to take him but I would love to see what Howell can do with a better O-line and a run game that defenses actually worry about (nothing against our RBs I think they can get it done in the right situation).

The team seems to need so much, yet I can't help but wonder if better coaching could solve a lot of it. It takes a lot for a classy, reserved guy like Darrell Green to come out and say the coaching sucked (secondary in particular apparently). I think if Shanny or Mcveigh is coaching the team parts of it look a lot better, including the QB. Heineke was better w/us then he is w/Atlanta, which tells me that Mclaurin and possibly even Dotson are better than the WRs he has to work with, scheme is the counter but anyone who watched knew Mclaurin made Heineke look better than he was by breaking the route to run back towards under-thrown passes (and I loved Heineke)

Assuming no tradebacks or trades, I'd take the best LT available in the first and pick up the best free agent RT we can get in free agency. The rest of the draft and free agency you better find a really good edge, a serviceable linebacker, a TE and probably a corner, but I do think the corners will be better w/better coaching and the return of a pass rush.
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Post#277 » by gambitx777 » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:52 am

Trading up for Williams would be probably more stupid than anything Dan Snyder has ever done. There isn't a big gap between Maye Williams and Daniels. In fact you can probably trade back and get Daniels at 10-13.

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Post#278 » by Wizardspride » Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:09 pm

gambitx777 wrote:Trading up for Williams would be probably more stupid than anything Dan Snyder has ever done. There isn't a big gap between Maye Williams and Daniels. In fact you can probably trade back and get Daniels at 10-13.

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Post#280 » by Halcyon » Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:27 pm

gambitx777 wrote:Trading up for Williams would be probably more stupid than anything Dan Snyder has ever done. There isn't a big gap between Maye Williams and Daniels. In fact you can probably trade back and get Daniels at 10-13.

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From the bit of film I've seen on them, I do think Williams is the best QB of the bunch, but I don't think he's at the level of someone like Luck/Manning/Lawrence coming out. At the same time, if we go under the assumption that the new front office and coaching staff know what they're doing, I don't mind them going for the QB they really believe in.

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