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^ The only reservation I'd have is that Critt cannot shoot at all. Hughes was no Ray Allen but he was decent and could get hot every now and then from three. Critt is just abysmal from any distance. That means that he's going to have to contribute by getting assists and driving the lane - things that require him having the ball in his hands. He won't be able to do much off the ball even as a decoy. If we agree that Gill needs the ball in his hands to be effective, I'm not sure he and Critt would be a good combo.

GA does not need to be the PG with ball in hand to be effective.

He is a knock down 3 ball shooter. He can do that all day. Score 4 or 5 a game if wide open. Then when players come at him, he will blow by them. He doesn't need the ball in his hands every play to do this.

Crit to Haywood. Haywood to middle score baby hook or dunk. Fouled ? 2-2
Crit to Haywood, doubled, Haywood passes out, swing pass, swing pass. GA from 3 - done.
Crit to AJ step back 3
Crit to CB 15 footer or hits a cutter like GA
Crit to AJ on the right post. Flips shot - good or fouled.
Or Crit takes it to the hoop 2 pts or dishes to BH or AB dunk.

As for Crit, I posted the line up to start this whole thing. With BH, AJ, CB and GA, how much scoring do you need from Crit. He will get his 10-12 pts on drives, FT and a few outside shoots.

That starting line up is good for 80-85 pts a night.
GA - 20
AJ - 20
CB - 20
BH -15
Crit -12

I'd rather see this then GA with 30 pts and Haywood 5

See with a PG, GA doesn't have to be the lead scorer every night. A good PG feeds everyone early to see who is hot and who has the mismatches. This is how you avoid seeing a line like 3-17 FG.
A good PG feeds the hot hand. With GA, he is a SG. He always thinks he is the hot hand. Just like NY. Crit would never do that because he would always try to feed the other players. It's who he is. This is what makes CP3 so awesome. His mind set is that other players scoring off his passes is just and extension of him scoring. He is a PG. He find it a challenge to fool the defense with his passes. He he doesn't have to drive to the hoop and get hit. Why bother ? alley opp. 2 pts. even better. He is in good position to get back on D.

The good new for people that see it the way I do is that, I think this is coming. I think we will see more of this kind of stuff when GA returns.

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i think you are forgetting that Crit broke the state scoring record. Him and Arenas are going to be far more deadly than the hughes and arenas backcourt of the old days. Crit does every better than hughes except for hughes "famous moving floating jumper". Everything else Crit has him beat. Hughes was always a low percentage volume shooter that killed normally drop your shooting percentage into the 30 Percentage range which usually means a loss and Crit is even more explosive on fast break handling the ball than even arenas. If we get a small forward that can play above the rim..and can create for other..(caron and jamison can't play above the rim and neither can guard 3 positions) like an aminu...but also can guard s/g and p/f...much of our defensive worries will be over. Crit has decent form on his shot and i predict he will be a better shooter than Hughes.

Right. It's not like Rondo was some great scoring machine when he showed up next to
Perkins, KG, PP, RA but he developed with that solid vet line up.

We Crit would get to play with GA, CB, AJ and BH should be a cake walk for the kid.
Then mix in some Blatche and McGee and DMAC as a D stopper. That has potential.

Do you see what EG is seeing ?

[Ced67]

I agree with Dat2U. Arenas doesn't need to be a pure PG and he doesn't need to move to SG. I see no reason why he can't be the equivalent of Tony Parker or Chauncey Billups on offense. Those guys score a ton but rack up just 6-7 assists per 36 minutes, yet their teams are among the best in the league.

I kinda thought the same thing. I really don't want to see hi try to be a Chris Paul or Steve Nash when his best asset is his scoring. But I think he is going to have to make some drastic changes, ok maybe not drastic, in his game to become like a Tony Parker or Chauncey Billups. The main reason I say this comes down to shot selection and shot attempts. Gil has been known to be a guy who does his own thing on offense and has been known to be a shot jacker at times and this is something that you never see with a Tony Parker and rarely with Billups. Parker isn't a pass first PG but every shot he takes is either attacking the basket and or its a wide open mid range jumper off of a screen and most of his stuff is not forced as Gil's sometimes is. The second part is shot attempts. I went back and looked at shot attempts per game for the last couple of seasons with Billups, Parker, and Gil and Gil takes way more shots than these other guys.

Shot Attempts Per Game

Gil:
06-07 -- 20.9
05-06 -- 20.85

Parker:
08-09 -- 16.65
07-08 -- 15.1

Billups
08-09 -- 12.75
07-08 -- 11.24

If Gil is going to shoot the ball 21 times a game he should be moved to SG, but if he can learn to play within the offense and use his penetration to create offense for others, then I believe he can be a Tony Parker type of PG. However I personally see Gil continuing to be Gil. I said it in a post on another thread and I'll say it again. Gil has the reputation of being a 25+ ppg scorer since he's been here and after signing that contract I think he'll try to prove that he's worth it. Could you imagine how fans will turn if he comes out and puts up 17 ppg and we are still losing.

I would personally like to see him take 15 shots a game and penetrate a lot more but I see him being the next Allen Iverson. I know some will disagree but that's where I see this thing headed. A SG occupying the PG spot making it impossible to get a true PG on the court because he's occupying that spot and he's too small to be a true SG. Its very similar to whats going on with Jamison. This team really needs a strong PF but because Jamison is starting, making the salary he's making and playing big minutes, it makes it impossible to get a guy who can be the true PF on this team who can play big minutes. You can't build a championship team with tweeners, Gil included....I made this argument in the Eddie Jordan Fired thread a few months ago and got grilled for it.

[WizarDynasty]

I still think you are missing the whole point. Gil is alot closer to Kobe Bryant than he is to Billups or Parker. The only difference between gil and bryant is that Gil can't guard small forwards while Bryant can. Gil can beat more people from pure his first step than kobe bryant can, while Kobe can shoot over most SG. Both are devastating once they have beaten their man an are on their way to basket because if you don't foul Gil or Kobe, they are usually going to make the shot close to rim because both have tremendous body control, absorb contact, and still can finish. Billups and Parker don't have this shooting guard element to their games. Also Billups and Parker are way better at guarding pg's. Kobe and Arenas are better at guarding S/Gs. Kobe has couple inches of height on Gil and can guard S/F and P/G adequately..not great but adequate... which is why Kobe bryant is a pure S/G. Gil can't guard S/F so that makes him a tweener s/g-p/g. Gil can guard p/g's adequately but not great. Gil guards s/g's way better than p/gs. Other than that, they are both exactly the same. Gil is a sg on both offense and defense. Billups and Parker are pg's on defense. Putting Arenas at his natural position of SG and getting a big point guard and a s/f that can guard s/g and powerforwards is the key to freeing arenas to exclusively play the s/g position. Just as Kobe improved his shot selection, so must arenas be we all see that Kobe still can't win a championship without a legit inside presence and neither will Gil. Until we get Gil a lockdown S/F who can guard p/f and cover up break downs on the perimeter (aminu) or legit post threats..I think Haywood and blatche will definitely fulfill that role, we will be fine. The key is having Aminu with his 7'4 wingspan locking big perimeter guys and making it difficult to shoot out on the perimeter. DMAc for his great defense, isn't long enough to challenge big s/f on the perimeter nor his he long enough to play man to man post defense in the post like Jeffries used to be able to do.

[Ced67]

Another thing is because of Gil's position it makes it hard to surround him with shooters who can also handle the ball and defend. But this is not all Gil a lot of it has to do with Ernie picking Talent. Gil's a guy who needs the ball to be effective so why is he surrounded by guys who also need the ball to be effective. Outside of Jamison there isn't another quick release type of player on this team, well there was Roger Mason but I won't get into that. And if anyone says DeShawn Stevenson please get counseling.

If you look at guys like Parker, Lebron, Kobe and Wade, all perimiter players who need the ball to be effective, they are surrounded by great perimeter shooters. Shall I list them?:

Daniel Gibson
Pavlovic
Delonte West
Wally Szczerbiak
even Big Z
Trevor Ariza (his long ball has improved)
Sasha Vujacic
Luke Walton
Jordan Farmar
Derek Fisher
Mario Chalmers
James Jones
Chris Quinn
Daquan Cook
Roger Mason
Bruce Bowen
Michael Finley

Thats just four teams, we have none, NONE. Well we did have Roger Mason but again I won't get into that. All those teams have a ball dominant player complimented by shooters but I will say that part of the reason that we can't get those guys is because of Gil's position. Its much easier to find a 3 point shooting PG coming out of college that can defend and handle the ball well than it is to find a 3 point shooting SG-SF who can also defend and handle. This comes back to the fact that Gil occupies the PG position and Kobe, Wade and Lebron are wings. It worked for Parker but he has the one guy that would have been perfect for this team in Roger Mason.

Look who's coming out this year or next year. Guys like Stephen Curry, Sherron Collins(lit it up against Okla.), Jeff Teague, Tyrese Rice, AJ Abrams...and the list goes on. It wouldnt make sense for us to draft any of these guys because they would only see the court during a small lineup that would get killed defensively. Whereas LA or Cleveland would scoop these guys up in the middle to late first round and plug them right in at PG. So we're forced to either go after unathletic wings who can shoot but can't defend or handle or do what we have been doing and go after solid defensive wings and try to mold them into shooters, ie Stevenson, Jeffries....It aint workin'. Or you can just let the perfect guy go in free agency to the best organization in basketball.

Most college wings who are 6'5+ and at least 200lbs who can handle and defend well can't shoot. Guys like Gerald Henderson, Tyreke Evans, Terrence Williams. The only on who can shoot well and can handle is James Harden and he isnt athletic enough to defend well. We're in a quandary. Looks like Stevenson will be starting at the 2 next year.

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I agree with Dat2U. Arenas doesn't need to be a pure PG and he doesn't need to move to SG. I see no reason why he can't be the equivalent of Tony Parker or Chauncey Billups on offense. Those guys score a ton but rack up just 6-7 assists per 36 minutes, yet their teams are among the best in the league.

I kinda thought the same thing. I really don't want to see hi try to be a Chris Paul or Steve Nash when his best asset is his scoring. But I think he is going to have to make some drastic changes, ok maybe not drastic, in his game to become like a Tony Parker or Chauncey Billups. The main reason I say this comes down to shot selection and shot attempts. Gil has been known to be a guy who does his own thing on offense and has been known to be a shot jacker at times and this is something that you never see with a Tony Parker and rarely with Billups. Parker isn't a pass first PG but every shot he takes is either attacking the basket and or its a wide open mid range jumper off of a screen and most of his stuff is not forced as Gil's sometimes is. The second part is shot attempts. I went back and looked at shot attempts per game for the last couple of seasons with Billups, Parker, and Gil and Gil takes way more shots than these other guys.

Shot Attempts Per Game

Gil:
06-07 -- 20.9
05-06 -- 20.85

Parker:
08-09 -- 16.65
07-08 -- 15.1

Billups
08-09 -- 12.75
07-08 -- 11.24

If Gil is going to shoot the ball 21 times a game he should be moved to SG, but if he can learn to play within the offense and use his penetration to create offense for others, then I believe he can be a Tony Parker type of PG. However I personally see Gil continuing to be Gil. I said it in a post on another thread and I'll say it again. Gil has the reputation of being a 25+ ppg scorer since he's been here and after signing that contract I think he'll try to prove that he's worth it. Could you imagine how fans will turn if he comes out and puts up 17 ppg and we are still losing.

I would personally like to see him take 15 shots a game and penetrate a lot more but I see him being the next Allen Iverson. I know some will disagree but that's where I see this thing headed. A SG occupying the PG spot making it impossible to get a true PG on the court because he's occupying that spot and he's too small to be a true SG. Its very similar to whats going on with Jamison. This team really needs a strong PF but because Jamison is starting, making the salary he's making and playing big minutes, it makes it impossible to get a guy who can be the true PF on this team who can play big minutes. You can't build a championship team with tweeners, Gil included....I made this argument in the Eddie Jordan Fired thread a few months ago and got grilled for it.

This is exactly what Ive been saying for 5 years. Good luck getting anyone to listen.

[WizarDynasty]

I agree with Dat2U. Arenas doesn't need to be a pure PG and he doesn't need to move to SG. I see no reason why he can't be the equivalent of Tony Parker or Chauncey Billups on offense. Those guys score a ton but rack up just 6-7 assists per 36 minutes, yet their teams are among the best in the league.

I kinda thought the same thing. I really don't want to see hi try to be a Chris Paul or Steve Nash when his best asset is his scoring. But I think he is going to have to make some drastic changes, ok maybe not drastic, in his game to become like a Tony Parker or Chauncey Billups. The main reason I say this comes down to shot selection and shot attempts. Gil has been known to be a guy who does his own thing on offense and has been known to be a shot jacker at times and this is something that you never see with a Tony Parker and rarely with Billups. Parker isn't a pass first PG but every shot he takes is either attacking the basket and or its a wide open mid range jumper off of a screen and most of his stuff is not forced as Gil's sometimes is. The second part is shot attempts. I went back and looked at shot attempts per game for the last couple of seasons with Billups, Parker, and Gil and Gil takes way more shots than these other guys.

Shot Attempts Per Game

Gil:
06-07 -- 20.9
05-06 -- 20.85

Parker:
08-09 -- 16.65
07-08 -- 15.1

Billups
08-09 -- 12.75
07-08 -- 11.24

If Gil is going to shoot the ball 21 times a game he should be moved to SG, but if he can learn to play within the offense and use his penetration to create offense for others, then I believe he can be a Tony Parker type of PG. However I personally see Gil continuing to be Gil. I said it in a post on another thread and I'll say it again. Gil has the reputation of being a 25+ ppg scorer since he's been here and after signing that contract I think he'll try to prove that he's worth it. Could you imagine how fans will turn if he comes out and puts up 17 ppg and we are still losing.

I would personally like to see him take 15 shots a game and penetrate a lot more but I see him being the next Allen Iverson. I know some will disagree but that's where I see this thing headed. A SG occupying the PG spot making it impossible to get a true PG on the court because he's occupying that spot and he's too small to be a true SG. Its very similar to whats going on with Jamison. This team really needs a strong PF but because Jamison is starting, making the salary he's making and playing big minutes, it makes it impossible to get a guy who can be the true PF on this team who can play big minutes. You can't build a championship team with tweeners, Gil included....I made this argument in the Eddie Jordan Fired thread a few months ago and got grilled for it.

This is exactly what Ive been saying for 5 years. Good luck getting anyone to listen.

Well this team has never had a player who do both things better than arenas. Javaris..has better defensive skills guarding points guards than arenas..and he is better as point guard on offense than arenas. We have never had a point guard who has the explosive that Jarvaris has combined with his natural passing instincts. this frees up Arenas to play s/g-- but also knocks Butler into s/f--where he normally gets abused on defense and forces Jamison into the p/f slot where he normally get's abused. ths trick is that you have to have a very strong defensive s/f if arenas is to play s/g and butler is far from having the versatility needed to guard s/g's and p/f's adequately. DMAc does well against s/g's--no so great against s/f's and is not very good guarding post players. Aminu is the answer aka-next Tayshaun Prince--only come around once every Ten Years.

[Ced67]

I still think you are missing the whole point. Gil is alot closer to Kobe Bryant than he is to Billups or Parker. The only difference between gil and bryant is that Gil can't guard small forwards while Bryant can. Gil can beat more people from pure his first step than kobe bryant can, while Kobe can shoot over most SG. Both are devastating once they have beaten their man an are on their way to basket because if you don't foul Gil or Kobe, they are usually going to make the shot close to rim because both have tremendous body control, absorb contact, and still can finish. Billups and Parker don't have this shooting guard element to their games. Also Billups and Parker are way better at guarding pg's. Kobe and Arenas are better at guarding S/Gs. Kobe has couple inches of height on Gil and can guard S/F and P/G adequately..not great but adequate... which is why Kobe bryant is a pure S/G. Gil can't guard S/F so that makes him a tweener s/g-p/g. Gil can guard p/g's adequately but not great. Gil guards s/g's way better than p/gs. Other than that, they are both exactly the same. Gil is a sg on both offense and defense. Billups and Parker are pg's on defense. Putting Arenas at his natural position of SG and getting a big point guard and a s/f that can guard s/g and powerforwards is the key to freeing arenas to exclusively play the s/g position. Just as Kobe improved his shot selection, so must arenas be we all see that Kobe still can't win a championship without a legit inside presence and neither will Gil. Until we get Gil a lockdown S/F who can guard p/f and cover up break downs on the perimeter (aminu) or legit post threats..I think Haywood and blatche will definitely fulfill that role, we will be fine. The key is having Aminu with his 7'4 wingspan locking big perimeter guys and making it difficult to shoot out on the perimeter. DMAc for his great defense, isn't long enough to challenge big s/f on the perimeter nor his he long enough to play man to man post defense in the post like Jeffries used to be able to do.

Dude, Gil can't gaurd 2's, it would be nice if he could but he's not 6'4 like he's listed on NBA.COM. Any good SG with any amount of size 6'6+ would just post him up to take advantage of the size difference. Gil doesn't even play defense to begin with. Aminu would be a nice pick up but I don't think we absolutely need a 6'9 SF with 7'4 wingspan to be a contender, unless he can shoot from the perimeter. If you added Jeffries back to this team we still ain't winning and I doubt if Aminu will contribute offensively early in his career. Id rather take DMac if he can develop a perimeter shot, he's got more than enough size. He's 6'8 and he's pretty athletic thats pretty good size. Basically I don't think the key to this teams success lies in a long 6'9 rookie SF who has an unproven offensive game.

[Ced67]

I agree with Dat2U. Arenas doesn't need to be a pure PG and he doesn't need to move to SG. I see no reason why he can't be the equivalent of Tony Parker or Chauncey Billups on offense. Those guys score a ton but rack up just 6-7 assists per 36 minutes, yet their teams are among the best in the league.

I kinda thought the same thing. I really don't want to see hi try to be a Chris Paul or Steve Nash when his best asset is his scoring. But I think he is going to have to make some drastic changes, ok maybe not drastic, in his game to become like a Tony Parker or Chauncey Billups. The main reason I say this comes down to shot selection and shot attempts. Gil has been known to be a guy who does his own thing on offense and has been known to be a shot jacker at times and this is something that you never see with a Tony Parker and rarely with Billups. Parker isn't a pass first PG but every shot he takes is either attacking the basket and or its a wide open mid range jumper off of a screen and most of his stuff is not forced as Gil's sometimes is. The second part is shot attempts. I went back and looked at shot attempts per game for the last couple of seasons with Billups, Parker, and Gil and Gil takes way more shots than these other guys.

Shot Attempts Per Game

Gil:
06-07 -- 20.9
05-06 -- 20.85

Parker:
08-09 -- 16.65
07-08 -- 15.1

Billups
08-09 -- 12.75
07-08 -- 11.24

If Gil is going to shoot the ball 21 times a game he should be moved to SG, but if he can learn to play within the offense and use his penetration to create offense for others, then I believe he can be a Tony Parker type of PG. However I personally see Gil continuing to be Gil. I said it in a post on another thread and I'll say it again. Gil has the reputation of being a 25+ ppg scorer since he's been here and after signing that contract I think he'll try to prove that he's worth it. Could you imagine how fans will turn if he comes out and puts up 17 ppg and we are still losing.

I would personally like to see him take 15 shots a game and penetrate a lot more but I see him being the next Allen Iverson. I know some will disagree but that's where I see this thing headed. A SG occupying the PG spot making it impossible to get a true PG on the court because he's occupying that spot and he's too small to be a true SG. Its very similar to whats going on with Jamison. This team really needs a strong PF but because Jamison is starting, making the salary he's making and playing big minutes, it makes it impossible to get a guy who can be the true PF on this team who can play big minutes. You can't build a championship team with tweeners, Gil included....I made this argument in the Eddie Jordan Fired thread a few months ago and got grilled for it.

This is exactly what Ive been saying for 5 years. Good luck getting anyone to listen.

I tried a few months ago right after Eddie Jordan was fired and like I said I got torched for it, I think I'll bump that thread back up and relive the pain.

[WizarDynasty]

Dude, Gil can't gaurd 2's, it would be nice if he could but he's not 6'4 like he's listed on NBA.COM. Any good SG with any amount of size 6'6+ would just post him up to take advantage of the size difference. Gil doesn't even play defense to begin with. Aminu would be a nice pick up but I don't think we absolutely need a 6'9 SF with 7'4 wingspan to be a contender, unless he can shoot from the perimeter. If you added Jeffries back to this team we still ain't winning and I doubt if Aminu will contribute offensively early in his career. Id rather take DMac if he can develop a perimeter shot, he's got more than enough size. He's 6'8 and he's pretty athletic thats pretty good size. Basically I don't think the key to this teams success lies in a long 6'9 rookie SF who has an unproven offensive game.

Gil is 215 with a 6'10 wingspan. Gil can't guard s/f..is what you really meant to say. His wingspan and strenght allow him to guard s/g but not s/f in the 230 range.
DMAC is 6'9 but he only has a 6'10 wingspan which is why he is good guarding s/g but can't shut down s/f's. DMAC is never going to be close to Tayshaun. Aminu is going has the potential to be even better than Tayshaun because he is more explosive. His wingspan will stop most of the easy shots we give up on the perimeter to big s/f's who we will likely see in the playoffs like a Orlando's--R.Lewis and Turkoglu..Boston's Pierce..Clevelands-Lebron-LAL-Bryant--He will be a two way player at the S/F spot and he will automatically be placed on the teams best perimeter player. Right now we have DMAC doing that which really shows you were the biggest weakness lies in our defense. I don't care how you spin, DMAC is always going to be a bench player and Caron and Jamison are going will never be better than our bench player DMAC. We need develop a starter with DMAC's defensive potential and starter offensive potential. And even DMAC isn't effective against big s/f's like he is against s/g's. And yes Gil plays pretty physical defense..he likes to body up on defense which really doesn't make sense for point guards. I guess the question then is, what s/g can Arenas not guard? - Paul Pierce at 230 is s/f by the way. Here the part you don't understand. If you have a shotblocking s/f, that allows your perimeter players to stay out on the perimeter. DMAc for all he is worth does not scare people when driving in teh lane with his shot blocking. Aminu does that because he is about 6 inches longer than DMAC. It's the same reason why Tayshaun is the key to detroit being so great defensively. With Arenas and Caron on the floor at the same time, you don't have any shot blocking presense on the perimeter. DMAC has been just a taste of what it's like to have a shotblocker at the s/f position. We get the real deal with Aminu since he is gifted offensively also just Tayshaun (has a big motor and no personality issues). Aminu wingspan lets him get his shot off against anyone. Not only does he play above the rim, but he is also a distributor on the fast break showing just how high is offensive basketball IQ is. The problem is, Does EG basketball IQ allow him to see this. I honestly think EG sees it. The secret weapon to most championships has been 2 way player at the s/f position.

[Ced67]

Dude, Gil can't gaurd 2's, it would be nice if he could but he's not 6'4 like he's listed on NBA.COM. Any good SG with any amount of size 6'6+ would just post him up to take advantage of the size difference. Gil doesn't even play defense to begin with. Aminu would be a nice pick up but I don't think we absolutely need a 6'9 SF with 7'4 wingspan to be a contender, unless he can shoot from the perimeter. If you added Jeffries back to this team we still ain't winning and I doubt if Aminu will contribute offensively early in his career. Id rather take DMac if he can develop a perimeter shot, he's got more than enough size. He's 6'8 and he's pretty athletic thats pretty good size. Basically I don't think the key to this teams success lies in a long 6'9 rookie SF who has an unproven offensive game.

Gil is 215 with a 6'10 wingspan. Gil can't guard s/f..is what you really meant to say. His wingspan and strenght allow him to guard s/g but not s/f in the 230 range.
DMAC is 6'9 but he only has a 6'10 wingspan which is why he is good guarding s/g but can't shut down s/f's. DMAC is never going to be close to Tayshaun. Aminu is going has the potential to be even better than Tayshaun because he is more explosive. His wingspan will stop most of the easy shots we give up on the perimeter to big s/f's who we will likely see in the playoffs like a Orlando's--R.Lewis and Turkoglu..Boston's Pierce..Clevelands-Lebron-LAL-Bryant--He will be a two way player at the S/F spot and he will automatically be placed on the teams best perimeter player. Right now we have DMAC doing that which really shows you were the biggest weakness lies in our defense. I don't care how you spin, DMAC is always going to be a bench player and Caron and Jamison are going will never be better than our bench player DMAC. We need develop a starter with DMAC's defensive potential and starter offensive potential. And even DMAC isn't effective against big s/f's like he is against s/g's. And yes Gil plays pretty physical defense..he likes to body up on defense which really doesn't make sense for point guards. I guess the question then is, what s/g can Arenas not guard? - Paul Pierce at 230 is s/f by the way. Here the part you don't understand. If you have a shotblocking s/f, that allows your perimeter players to stay out on the perimeter. DMAc for all he is worth does not scare people when driving in teh lane with his shot blocking. Aminu does that because he is about 6 inches longer than DMAC. It's the same reason why Tayshaun is the key to detroit being so great defensively. With Arenas and Caron on the floor at the same time, you don't have any shot blocking presense on the perimeter. DMAC has been just a taste of what it's like to have a shotblocker at the s/f position. We get the real deal with Aminu since he is gifted offensively also just Tayshaun (has a big motor and no personality issues). Aminu wingspan lets him get his shot off against anyone. Not only does he play above the rim, but he is also a distributor on the fast break showing just how high is offensive basketball IQ is. The problem is, Does EG basketball IQ allow him to see this. I honestly think EG sees it. The secret weapon to most championships has been 2 way player at the s/f position.

Please tell me when you've seen GIl effectively gaurd anyone, especially someone2-3 inches taller than him. Are you going off of actual facts or are you going off of what you thing because of how big Gil is. I personally don't trust Gil to gaurd anyone nevertheless a SG like Wade or Kobe or someone who's gonna run him ragged on the defensive end like Rip Hamilton or Ray Allen.

And, are you Aminu's cousin or something because you are trying to find any reason to draft this guy. Is he really that great of a shot blocker, he's avg 1.2 blks in college. I think he can be a pretty good player but stop treating this kid like he rally hasn't done anything yet. Remember Corey Brewer? He was suppose to be the next Tayshaun Prince type player with his length. Where you a fan of his too, what's he done lately? Aminu has a very limited offensive game and has average handles and an average perimeter shot. If he's playing the 3 he needs these things before he can be taken seriously as an impact player or he'll just be an offensive liability. Now, if he gets these things I might buy in, but im not ready to buy in that an 18 year old long PF is the savior for this team when he can't score. There have been a lot of athletic lottery picks that have turned out to be crap, just because Aminu has long arms doesn't mean he'll be a success. Lastly basing you're entire arguments off of arm length is kind of odd. Somehow you turned Gil into a defensive player who can guard 2's because he has long arms, when in reality he doesn't guard anyone to begin with, nice magic trick. I guess if we still had Jared Jeffries we would probably be a championship contender next year right? Sure.

You know whats funny, I did a google search to find out what Jeffries wingpan was(Jared Jeffries, measured wingspan) and I found this viewtopic.php?f=35&t=851721&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=180. I think you're trying to convince people that Jared Jeffries was better than Caron. You have no credibility, I don't know why I just wasted my time arguing with you.

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SI article, Who's on the Hot Seat

• Ernie Grunfeld, Wizards: Like Ahab chasing the white whale, the Washington president keeps chasing those elusive days in the middle of the 2006-07 season, when the Wizards were 27-17 and had designs on a deep playoff run. Though that was three Gilbert Arenas knee surgeries ago, Grunfeld remains convinced that a healthy Wizards team is a contender. Hence his unwillingness to deal Antawn Jamison or Caron Butler at the deadline, meaning the Wizards' payroll for next season is already in luxury-tax territory without factoring in a high lottery pick. With a 13-43 record, the hoped-for return of both Arenas and center Brendan Haywood won't save this season. But this offseason and the 2009-2010 season will be telling for Grunfeld and the organization.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... ref=sircrc


Duh!

[Kanyewest]

Please tell me when you've seen GIl effectively gaurd anyone, especially someone2-3 inches taller than him. Are you going off of actual facts or are you going off of what you thing because of how big Gil is. I personally don't trust Gil to gaurd anyone nevertheless a SG like Wade or Kobe or someone who's gonna run him ragged on the defensive end like Rip Hamilton or Ray Allen.

And, are you Aminu's cousin or something because you are trying to find any reason to draft this guy. Is he really that great of a shot blocker, he's avg 1.2 blks in college. I think he can be a pretty good player but stop treating this kid like he rally hasn't done anything yet. Remember Corey Brewer? He was suppose to be the next Tayshaun Prince type player with his length. Where you a fan of his too, what's he done lately? Aminu has a very limited offensive game and has average handles and an average perimeter shot. If he's playing the 3 he needs these things before he can be taken seriously as an impact player or he'll just be an offensive liability. Now, if he gets these things I might buy in, but im not ready to buy in that an 18 year old long PF is the savior for this team when he can't score. There have been a lot of athletic lottery picks that have turned out to be crap, just because Aminu has long arms doesn't mean he'll be a success. Lastly basing you're entire arguments off of arm length is kind of odd. Somehow you turned Gil into a defensive player who can guard 2's because he has long arms, when in reality he doesn't guard anyone to begin with, nice magic trick. I guess if we still had Jared Jeffries we would probably be a championship contender next year right? Sure.

You know whats funny, I did a google search to find out what Jeffries wingpan was(Jared Jeffries, measured wingspan) and I found this viewtopic.php?f=35&t=851721&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=180. I think you're trying to convince people that Jared Jeffries was better than Caron. You have no credibility, I don't know why I just wasted my time arguing with you.

Good post. I remember Eric Snow getting easy layups against Arenas in the 05-06 playoffs. It's often the case that Gilbert helps too readily on his man and as a result leaves open jump shooters. If Gilbert has to guard guys like Allen, Wade, and Kobe, this team will be in trouble. Granted, Arenas has shown SOME ability to play defense but he has not maintained it for a significant period of time.

[Kanyewest]

I have a general question. While EG didn't hire EJ, how come everyone here believes that EG did not give Eddie Jordan an extension? It would have made more sense to fire EJ back in 05-06 when he signed that extension. More so than anything, I'm having a hard time believing that Abe Pollin would in effect fire Eddie Jordan right now, even with their crappy start. I'm thinking something behind the scenes must have happened after Eddie Jordan signed his extension such as the TT Incident, the Randy Ayers hiring, Brendan Haywood proving his worth, and Andray Blatche going into EJ's doghouse. The 1-10 start was just the last straw.

[WizarDynasty]

Please tell me when you've seen GIl effectively gaurd anyone, especially someone2-3 inches taller than him. Are you going off of actual facts or are you going off of what you thing because of how big Gil is. I personally don't trust Gil to gaurd anyone nevertheless a SG like Wade or Kobe or someone who's gonna run him ragged on the defensive end like Rip Hamilton or Ray Allen.

And, are you Aminu's cousin or something because you are trying to find any reason to draft this guy. Is he really that great of a shot blocker, he's avg 1.2 blks in college. I think he can be a pretty good player but stop treating this kid like he rally hasn't done anything yet. Remember Corey Brewer? He was suppose to be the next Tayshaun Prince type player with his length. Where you a fan of his too, what's he done lately? Aminu has a very limited offensive game and has average handles and an average perimeter shot. If he's playing the 3 he needs these things before he can be taken seriously as an impact player or he'll just be an offensive liability. Now, if he gets these things I might buy in, but im not ready to buy in that an 18 year old long PF is the savior for this team when he can't score. There have been a lot of athletic lottery picks that have turned out to be crap, just because Aminu has long arms doesn't mean he'll be a success. Lastly basing you're entire arguments off of arm length is kind of odd. Somehow you turned Gil into a defensive player who can guard 2's because he has long arms, when in reality he doesn't guard anyone to begin with, nice magic trick. I guess if we still had Jared Jeffries we would probably be a championship contender next year right? Sure.

You know whats funny, I did a google search to find out what Jeffries wingpan was(Jared Jeffries, measured wingspan) and I found this viewtopic.php?f=35&t=851721&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=180. I think you're trying to convince people that Jared Jeffries was better than Caron. You have no credibility, I don't know why I just wasted my time arguing with you.

Good post. I remember Eric Snow getting easy layups against Arenas in the 05-06 playoffs. It's often the case that Gilbert helps too readily on his man and as a result leaves open jump shooters. If Gilbert has to guard guys like Allen, Wade, and Kobe, this team will be in trouble. Granted, Arenas has shown SOME ability to play defense but he has not maintained it for a significant period of time.

my statement has always been that arenas guards s/gs better than he does p/gs. You are better off putting gilbert on the man he can best cover one on one. LMAO at comparing Brewer to Aminu. Here is where you argument falls apart, Apparently you haven't seen his highlight tapes. This teams needs a tayshaun prince and watching his highlight tapes shows screams better version of Tayshaun Prince. If you think Brewer was comparable to Tayshaun..then WOW. There are few player who have proven to be successful defensively against Wade, Kobe, and Lebron. This type of player is very agile at the small forward position with an incredible wingspan..who can hit an open jumpshot..aka Tayshaun Prince.
In your world..Caron butler and Dmac have the defensive dimensions of Tayshaun Prince. Wrong. Jared didn't have the Dimensions of Tayshaun an couldn't hit an open jumper which is why he proved to be unsucessful.
So to clear things up for...the Wizard's Top Priority is getting a Tayshaun prince player..and DMAC is physically limited..but I know your homer shades keeps you from seeing this until he gets punished by guys like pierce, kobe. ect. AGain, there is a huge physical difference between DMAC and Tayshaun so if you think DMAC is our Tayshaun..i honestly think you have a long way to go. A Tayshaun type player should be the number priority for this team in terms of its longterm quest for a title since this type of player has demonstrated the ability to shutdown the elite s/g's and s/f's who have dominated the championships in the last few years. Kobe, Pierce, Allen, dwade, lebron..all of these players struggle against a long agile perimeter defenders with gigantic wingspans..something this team DOES not have..yet we want to win a championship lmao. By the way Jeffries..had shorter span than Tayshaun..but also missed layups. If you have watched Aminu highlights and think he has the offensive liabilities of Jeffries..u got along way to go. Now if you have a solution for our Tayshaun dilemma. I would love to hear it..or maybe you don't think a tayshaun player at the s/f position isn't what this team needs and we are fine defensively with caron?

[WizarDynasty]

tapscotts an idiot, he should be developing NY point guard skills and defending points since nick is going to playing with arenas in the line up. Instead of having nick score every night, he should have been developing Nick's cerebral game by having him play point and initiate the offense. Force nick to improve his ball handling skills under pressure and guard really fast point guards since we know arenas doesn't want to. Nick should be doing everything that deshaun did and deshaun guarded point guards with Arenas on the floor. Tapscott can't get this concept through this head which is sad. Dom is nice and fill nicely defending s/g and s/f and good complement at the s/f spot with arenas. We should be developing Nick to defend the p/g and s/g so that NY is an asset to us when Arenas is on the floor. Critt is great at the point but Nick has just as much potential guarding p/g as Critt and making N1 defend p/g's now will make him that much more valuable with Ny, Dom, and arenas line up. Critt will be a good p/g..but nick has many intangilbles that take years to develop that Critt doesn't have. We really needed to develop NY on ball defense to relieve arenas on defense against quick point guards and allow arenas use his size advantage on offense. NY is alot better next to arenas than Critt if N1 can learn to guard p/gs better than arenas just as deshaun is better at guarding p/gs. NY will give us more than deshaun on offense and forcing N1 to start at point guard will force N1 develop to increase dramatically on the non shooting aspect of the game. Maybe a better coach will see this relationship since tapscott can't. Yes DOm is in our longterm plans..but the fact that we aren't developing N1 point guard skills when we know arenas is a undersized s/g is absolutely incomprehensible. Dom is developing as a good point forward but had we been developing nick to play p/g like Hughes all this time, N1 would look great too. Blame Grunfeld and Tapscott for not making N1 closer to a p/g on defense and offense and not forcing N1 to develop into a more cerebral player instead of "instant offense off the bench which is what they seem him as now and are completely wasting one of the center pieces of what our dynasty would be with N1 defending the point and running the point with arenas on the floor. Critt starting on even getting minutes at the point..but Caron is never going to be fast enough to guard points guards...The entire season, Tapscott should have been forcing nick to make his feet faster by guarding point guards...but he has wasted those minutes on Mike James. Had Tapscott had his head on straight, he would have developed Nick into p/g s/g to complement arenas on defense. Nick's future with the wiz is to play an improve version of Stevenson next to arenas. DMAC future is at the s/g s/f spot next to to arenas. Crit is best served backing up arenas and Nick. Hopefully Tapscott allows Nick to focus more on passing and defending points guards so that he can work well with arenas and his ability to defend point guards better than arenas will make him an asset next to arenas on the court. Let's hope tapscott realizes this soon rather than wasting away our 16th pick and a years worth of loosing. AGain, have nick focus less on shooting and more on defending the point guards and point guard ball handling skills. Right now, nick's handle is very poor, he has a very slow dribble that is very high off the ground. Whenever nick looses the ball very easily when nudged because his dribble is so high off the ground and nick doesn't have a rapid low center of gravity power dribble like Critt. so its going to be hard for Young to burst pass point guards. Having NY defend and go against point guards is the best way to develop NY from here on out. NY best role should be what larry hughes was next to arenas. Dom is better defending the s/f spot. Have NY improve his p/g defense skills and make him develop p/g handles. I would have NY starting at p/g before i would waste minutes on MIke James.

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It has been difficult for rookie Bill Walker to find floor time for the Celtics this season, but his former Kansas State teammate believes in his future in the NBA.

"It's been hard for him," Beasley said. "I talk to him. But he has to keep pushing. He's a great player. A great athlete. The sky is the limit for him. He's 6-5, 6-6, 240 pounds. But he moves like he's 215 and jumps like he's 190 pounds. There's a lot you don't know about Bill. Bill's a 3-point shooter. There's a lot to his game that the world hasn't seen yet and is yet to come. Once everyone sees what he can do, it's going to be something special."

Oh trust me, I believe what you're sayin WB

[Induveca]

On a 15-50 team, once again last night Jamison and Butler played over 40 minutes. Two of our "stars" for next year are being run into the ground for no reason whatsoever with 17 games left in the season.

Our draft position is guaranteed, yet Grunfeld and Tapscott seem intent on getting one of these guys injured and threatening any possible success next season. I've lost faith in Grunfeld, either he's asleep at the wheel or he's going to get fired at the end of the season and knows it..........

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

+1

Induveca, you're right on time with this.

Grunfeld and Tapscott need to go, and they can take the entire coaching staff with them. Get a defensive coach in here and trade Caron or Antawn for a top-notch SG who plays both ends of the court, because those two guys are offensive players only.

[yungal07]

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