Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[miller31time]

Any news on our much maligned medical team?

New blade for the bone-saw is what I heard.

I heard they upgraded the leeches to the more productive East Asian variety. They should be able to bleed out the injuries far faster now.

[DallasShalDune]

Made. My. Day. lol!

[Ruzious]

I think it's inevitabible that Philly will look to trade either Iggy or Turner by the trade deadline. They want Jrue Holliday to be their playmaker, so with him, Iggy and Turner - that makes 3 starters who need the ball and are poor catch and shoot players. There's maybe a 5% chance that they work well together. Also, Thad Young is a helluva talent who should be starting at the 3 - and who they'll likely ante up big money to keep next offseason in free agency (RFA). Somebody's going - I'm guessing it's Iggy and his big contract. Should the Wiz make a go for him, or would he not be a good fit here.

[Wizardspride]

I think it's inevitabible that Philly will look to trade either Iggy or Turner by the trade deadline. They want Jrue Holliday to be their playmaker, so with him, Iggy and Turner - that makes 3 starters who need the ball and are poor catch and shoot players. There's maybe a 5% chance that they work well together. Also, Thad Young is a helluva talent who should be starting at the 3 - and who they'll likely ante up big money to keep next offseason in free agency (RFA). Somebody's going - I'm guessing it's Iggy and his big contract. Should the Wiz make a go for him, or would he not be a good fit here.

I like Iggy but I don't think he fits in that well here.

As you said, he's not a catch and shoot player so needs to have the ball in his hands.

But otoh, I love his slashing ability as well as his defense.....


Ruzious, what are you proposing that we give Philly?

[Dat2U]

I think it's inevitabible that Philly will look to trade either Iggy or Turner by the trade deadline. They want Jrue Holliday to be their playmaker, so with him, Iggy and Turner - that makes 3 starters who need the ball and are poor catch and shoot players. There's maybe a 5% chance that they work well together. Also, Thad Young is a helluva talent who should be starting at the 3 - and who they'll likely ante up big money to keep next offseason in free agency (RFA). Somebody's going - I'm guessing it's Iggy and his big contract. Should the Wiz make a go for him, or would he not be a good fit here.

I'd lean towards no although I wouldn't totally rule it out. It's kinda been on my mind all summer. Actually before the 76ers swapped Dalembert for Hawes & Nocioni I was wondering if a Dalembert & Iggy swap for Al Thornton & Nick Young using all our cap room would have made some sense. It would have given us a very strong starting five and the type of defense I'd want a the 3 & 5 but I had major questions whether Iggy would fit here offensively as well. On the break we'd be incredible, in half court sets, Iggy much like Butler doesn't play the type of game Flip's offense calls for.

A perfect fit would be a young Tayshaun Prince. Or what Wes Johnson might become. A shooter with range. Equally adept at spotting up or curling off screens. Someone who can run with Wall and finish on the break.

[Ruzious]

I think it's inevitabible that Philly will look to trade either Iggy or Turner by the trade deadline. They want Jrue Holliday to be their playmaker, so with him, Iggy and Turner - that makes 3 starters who need the ball and are poor catch and shoot players. There's maybe a 5% chance that they work well together. Also, Thad Young is a helluva talent who should be starting at the 3 - and who they'll likely ante up big money to keep next offseason in free agency (RFA). Somebody's going - I'm guessing it's Iggy and his big contract. Should the Wiz make a go for him, or would he not be a good fit here.

I like Iggy but I don't think he fits in that well here.

As you said, he's not a catch and shoot player so needs to have the ball in his hands.

But otoh, I love his slashing ability as well as his defense.....


Ruzious, what are you proposing that we give Philly?

Right now, I agree with you and Dat. I'm very tempted, but I don't make an offer. Dat mentioned Wesley Johnson - if he develops - as the model - I agree he'd be the model for what I'd want. Actually, Thad Young - while not there yet - could be a better fit from Philly.

Both Prince and Battier will be UFA's next year. I think both are past their prime but could be great fits off the bench for the Wiz if they're willing to play for a lot less than they're making now.

[tkunit]

picking up the Iggy talk I don't think he would be the best fit here either. Now if we were talking rookie or maybe 2nd year Iggy I'd be trying everything to get him. Iggy in his current incarnation however won't help us, he has to have the ball and has the 1st option mentality even though he is more a #2 or #3 option. In many ways he is like Caron, when he started out he filled his role perfectly then had to grow into something he should not be and can't make the transition back. He is still good on D though.

[Ruzious]

Switching to my rose colored glasses, this Melo situation may be a unique opportunity. Apparently, he felt disrespected somehow by Denver (jealous of attention given to Billups?) and told Denver he won't come back. "I'm Melo dammit!" Denver is in a bizarre situation. They have a bunch of other players who can leave as free agents after the season - JR, Nene, KMart... but they have a vet PG paid to win now - Billups and paid for Harrington. What to do? HellifIknow. But they do need to get something for Melo, and that might be the bottom line - just getting as much as they can for him and go from there.

Well, we have a star available. If we trade Arenas and either Thornton or Howard and a protected pick, what's the risk - even if we are not able to re-sign Melo? There are a whole bunch of free agent 3's to replace Thornton or Howard, and they might want to get rid of Gil's contract, anyway. So, we lose a protected 1st - a small price to pay to give us a much better shot at signing Melo and still having some space. Once he gets here, he sees the great opportunity to play with Wall and be close to his family. And Denver can make other moves to balance their roster - trade either JR or Billups for front court help. Ok, time to take off the rose colored glasses.

[nate33]

What specific trade are you suggesting, Ruzious?

Arenas + Howard total $21.7M in outgoing salary. Melo is $17.1M. It doesn't quite fit under the 125% Exemption. And Denver doesn't have much in the way of "filler" contracts.

I suppose it works with Thornton. Arenas + Thornton + 2011 1st for Melo? That's not such a bad deal all around assuming Arenas can revert to his former glory. I don't think Denver does it now, but maybe they would after watching Arenas play well for 20 games or so.

Denver would have to follow up by trading Billups for a young prospect or pick.

[LyricalRico]

Switching to my rose colored glasses, this Melo situation may be a unique opportunity. Apparently, he felt disrespected somehow by Denver (jealous of attention given to Billups?) and told Denver he won't come back. "I'm Melo dammit!" Denver is in a bizarre situation. They have a bunch of other players who can leave as free agents after the season - JR, Nene, KMart... but they have a vet PG paid to win now - Billups and paid for Harrington. What to do? HellifIknow. But they do need to get something for Melo, and that might be the bottom line - just getting as much as they can for him and go from there.

Well, we have a star available. If we trade Arenas and either Thornton or Howard and a protected pick, what's the risk - even if we are not able to re-sign Melo? There are a whole bunch of free agent 3's to replace Thornton or Howard, and they might want to get rid of Gil's contract, anyway. So, we lose a protected 1st - a small price to pay to give us a much better shot at signing Melo and still having some space. Once he gets here, he sees the great opportunity to play with Wall and be close to his family. And Denver can make other moves to balance their roster - trade either JR or Billups for front court help. Ok, time to take off the rose colored glasses.

Man, that was one of the first things that came to my mind when it was first reported that an extension was on the table but Melo wasn't in a rush to sign it. But wouldn't the AI-in-Denver experience mean they'd pass on Gil?

Yes, it's a different situation: Iverson was their PG and had to share with Melo, whereas Gil would be playing off the ball and would be their primary option. But most fans and most media types won't see it that way IMO, and Denver would get blasted for making what appears to them to be a panic move that has already failed once in a previous incarnation. I think it would be a PR nightmare.

Also, if you're going to move a franchise player in the prime of his career, you never truly get full value. So really the only thing you can do at that point is rebuild. Gil won't be enough to keep them competitive in the West IMO, so why take on that $80M? I would expect them to look at cutting salary in a Melo trade scenario, not add it.

[montestewart]

Given perceptions of Arenas around the league, it would be hard to sell such a trade to fans until Arenas shows he still has something on the court, but as the season wears on and the reality of Anthony leaving sets in, Arenas scoring well off the ball might be something Denver could sell to their fans.

[AceDegenerate]

Same **** different day here I see.

Still haters discussing unlikely and implausible scenarios involving dumping Arenas.

[Ruzious]

What specific trade are you suggesting, Ruzious?

Arenas + Howard total $21.7M in outgoing salary. Melo is $17.1M. It doesn't quite fit under the 125% Exemption. And Denver doesn't have much in the way of "filler" contracts.

I suppose it works with Thornton. Arenas + Thornton + 2011 1st for Melo? That's not such a bad deal all around assuming Arenas can revert to his former glory. I don't think Denver does it now, but maybe they would after watching Arenas play well for 20 games or so.

Denver would have to follow up by trading Billups for a young prospect or pick.

The trade checker says it works with either Howard or Thornton. If it's wrong, they do have filler contracts - Balkman and a couple of smaller ones - Sheldon Williams and a backup vet PG who's name escapes me. It's certainly doable. I agree that it would have to be done well into the season, and Detroit would likely have to trade Billups in a separate move.

[MJG]

Same **** different day here I see.

Still haters discussing unlikely and implausible scenarios involving dumping Arenas.

Seriously! Everyone has the same opinion they did a few weeks ago, despite nothing at all happening during that time that would give them a reason to change that opinion! Crazy, right?

[Wizardspride]

I can't confirm this but there are "rumors" that Carmelo isn't at all interested in playing here.

And it has to do with issues other than basketball.

[Wizardspride]

Given perceptions of Arenas around the league, it would be hard to sell such a trade to fans until Arenas shows he still has something on the court, but as the season wears on and the reality of Anthony leaving sets in, Arenas scoring well off the ball might be something Denver could sell to their fans.

If Gilbert shows that he still has "it", then I don't see the urgent need to trade him for Carmelo.

[montestewart]

Given perceptions of Arenas around the league, it would be hard to sell such a trade to fans until Arenas shows he still has something on the court, but as the season wears on and the reality of Anthony leaving sets in, Arenas scoring well off the ball might be something Denver could sell to their fans.

If Gilbert shows that he still has "it", then I don't see the urgent need to trade him for Carmelo.

Agreed. I like the idea of a Wall/Arenas backcourt and would like to see that in action, and if the end result of a trade was Anthony eventually signing elsewhere, the Wizards would then be short one big-time scorer. Just thinking out loud about options and the future. Based upon perceptions voiced on the general board and in the media in general, Arenas is undervalued, unless he has really lost his game, and I don't have reason to think that.

[tkunit]

Melo to DC will never happen, and that is why I can sleep at night, really though it won't happen. I don't know where he ends up though, but the only way he gets to the knicks is becoming a FA. I don't see orlando pulling the trade for him and I guess he could get traded to NO but they don't have much to send back. Rockets or Blzers in a stunner of a deal?

[fishercob]

What problems would Melo to DC even solve? Scoring is not going to be our issue, and he's not a dominant two-way big. It would create a lot of hype and expectations and sell a ton of jerseys, but it would be a mis-allocation of resources and may get us no closer to contention.

[Silvie Lysandra]

What specific trade are you suggesting, Ruzious?

Arenas + Howard total $21.7M in outgoing salary. Melo is $17.1M. It doesn't quite fit under the 125% Exemption. And Denver doesn't have much in the way of "filler" contracts.

I suppose it works with Thornton. Arenas + Thornton + 2011 1st for Melo? That's not such a bad deal all around assuming Arenas can revert to his former glory. I don't think Denver does it now, but maybe they would after watching Arenas play well for 20 games or so.

If we were assuming that, then why in the name of god would we trade him?

Neither Arenas nor Melo are two-way players, and I'd rather have baskets at 3:00 AM in my locker room than smiley face while down by 30.

If Arenas is back to 2007 form, it's a lateral move at best.