2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!)

[sfam]

Yeah. If Cleveland is willing to trade #4 + #24 + #34 for #2; let's take that same deal. In theory, it would be better for Cleveland to draft Beal at #3 rather than #2 because his salary would be smaller.

We could then see if we can package the #24 + #32 for a pick in the teens and still pick up Crowder at #24.

Crowder at #34 you mean. But what I was thinking is perhaps the Wizards just do it with the #4 and #24 - that would be the enticement. I agree if we can get another pick out of them it would be gravy. Would love to come out of this with MKG, Ross and whomever makes sense at #34.

[jivelikenice]

Ok, I'm now worried. I expect Cleveland to move up to 2 and take Beal now.

Ernie completely botched this draft and it hasn't even happened yet!

Before that trade, most writers and mocks I saw predicted the Wiz taking MKG. After the trade EVERYONE is assuming the Wizards have targeted Beal.

Agreed. You gotta wonder why it was necessary for the Wizards to make that trade prior to the draft. I don't see how this helps them at all.

1. If Cleveland is that interested in Beal, they would have traded up for him regardless of our trade. We had interest in him either way.

2. I do not think Beal is the slam dunk to D.C. we all think he is. Otherwise why would Ernie have showed his hand last week? We can all think he's dumb and leave it at that, but I'd like to think there's a reason beyond that and that reason is they either aren't targetting Beal or don't have a preference and will take whomever falls to them.

[Rafael122]

So say the Cavs do move up, get Beal. Wizards get Kidd-Gilchrist, and John Jenkins.

Do you then try and package Booker and Singleton or one of each for a first round pick?

Our depth chart would look like this:

PG - Wall/Mack
SG - Crwford/Jenkins
SF - Ariza/MKG/Singleton
PF - Nene/Booker/Vesely/Blatche
C - Okafor/Seraphin

[LyricalRico]

1. If Cleveland is that interested in Beal, they would have traded up for him regardless of our trade. We had interest in him either way.

Great point. I've been saying it all along - this trade's impact on the draft is being WAY overstated.

[Dat2U]

David Locke‏@Lockedonsports

On Average Draft will get you 1 All-Pro; 2 more all-stars; 7 additional starters and 11 other rotation players - 21 impact players

All-pro: Davis
All-stars: MKG and maybe Beal
Starters: Waiters, Drummond, Robinson, Lillard, T. Jones, Leonard, Henson
Rotation: Zeller, Barnes, J.Lamb, Rivers, T. Jones, Nicholson, Moultrie, Sullinger, T. Ross, Crowder, Barton, Q. Miller

That means a lot of guys were talking about won't be worth mentioning in 3 years.

[W. Unseld]

For the love of Pete, please don't trade the #32 pick to move up one spot. We need shooting and most mocks have the best pure shooters going late first round, early second.

[truwizfan4evr]

David Locke‏@Lockedonsports

On Average Draft will get you 1 All-Pro; 2 more all-stars; 7 additional starters and 11 other rotation players - 21 impact players

All-pro: Davis
All-stars: MKG and maybe Beal
Starters: Waiters, Drummond, Robinson, Lillard, T. Jones, Leonard, Henson
Rotation: Zeller, Barnes, J.Lamb, Rivers, T. Jones, Nicholson, Moultrie, Sullinger, T. Ross, Crowder, Barton, Q. Miller

That means a lot of guys were talking about won't be worth mentioning in 3 years.

I actually Think Barnes can be consider a starting small forward in this league

[FAH1223]

Barnes is a sure fire bust. Don't kid yourselves

[truwizfan4evr]

Barnes is a sure fire bust. Don't kid yourselves

I'm not the biggest Barnes fan But he has a good jump shot his rebounding is decent he can score pretty well he has good size. The only knock about him is not creating his own shot for himself or teammates. And Beal has the same issues but overall i think Beal will be a better player.

[WizarDynasty]

everyone knows that cleveland wants Drummond because they have no center and they are banking on a european to come in and be the starter which is doubtful. Bobcats want Barnes but feel like they can milk Cleveland out of a pick if they can ensure that washington won't take him if they select Drummond for cleveland. Jordan wants barnes and cleveland wants Drummond. The problem is that we have Ted the Savior running operations and can see through bluffs unlike the previous regime. If bobcats take barnes, we take drummond, and cleveland has tier 4 role player in Beal or poor man's wallace to show for their year of suffering. It's a three man draft folks and cleveland is on the outside looking in. If they can somehow use the media to convince the wizards that Beal is worthy of a top three pick, they have a chance of lowering Bobcat's demands for trading up to the number 2 spot.
don't get fooled people, JOrdan absolutely loves Barnes and Jordan may not be able to see talent for bigmen but he definitely knows shooting guard talent which is why he isn't sold on Beal and neither should we.
It's ADavis, A Drummond or H Barnes. There is no one else that comes close to these three players and I have seen many drafts. After that, we have truck load of role players. Cleveland just so happens to be the odd man out and will have to pay a fortune to grab one of the three franchise players.

[jivelikenice]

Barnes is a sure fire bust. Don't kid yourselves

I don't see him as a bust at all. Maybe not a star; but should be able to develop into a 17 ppg scoer at least. He has underrated athleticism which he may be able to showcase moreso in the NBA than he could at college and a good shot. I would love to be able to trade down 2-3 spots, get Barnes and pick up an extra #1...

[KevinFCheng]

Con of drafting Barnes: another wasted pick for a marginal player
Pro of drafting Barnes: maybe it'll cost Ernie his job

[nate33]

It's ADavis, A Drummond or H Barnes. There is no one else that comes close to these three players and I have seen many drafts. After that, we have truck load of role players. Cleveland just so happens to be the odd man out and will have to pay a fortune to grab one of the three franchise players.

You have seen many drafts and have had your predictions proven wrong on a consistent basis.

[DCZards]

You only do this if you honestly believe there are no other all-stars in this draft. Otherwise, you draft who you think will be all-star calibur. I think people are over-analyzing MKG and dropping him lower without real basis. On tape, he's pretty awesome, especially if he fixes his shot. I don't see that with Barnes. I would far prefer a player like MKG who's mental makeup is all-star calibur vice an athlete who can shoot but is mentally weak.

A lot of talk here about MKG's mental toughness, his motor, his work ethic, his win at all costs attitude. These are all good attributes and they seem to be true about MKG. But, then again, it could be argued that Reggie Evans also has a "mental makeup" that is all-star caliber.

I have no problem taking MKG if Beal is gone, but I can also see an argument for Barnes and his much-needed skill as a shooter. I think Barnes will turn out to be a much better pro that many on this board expect him to be.

[Nivek]

It's ADavis, A Drummond or H Barnes. There is no one else that comes close to these three players and I have seen many drafts. After that, we have truck load of role players. Cleveland just so happens to be the odd man out and will have to pay a fortune to grab one of the three franchise players.

You have seen many drafts and have had your predictions proven wrong on a consistent basis.

Not wrong -- just not correct...yet. The world will soon catch up with WizNasty's genius.

[jivelikenice]

If you believe the Beal is the Wizard's 1st priority and they foolishly showed their hand early (I don't), you also have to credit them for "leaking" interest in Barnes, which may discourage Charlotte from trading down if that's who they want at #4.

Still hoping MKG is the pick but this is getting very interesting. Maybe this belons in the trade thread but what would it take to land Kevin Martin? That would allow us to go MKG and fill our 2 guard need. Would Booker and our 2nd rounder get it done? Do we have the cap space?

[FAH1223]

everyone knows that cleveland wants Drummond because they have no center and they are banking on a european to come in and be the starter which is doubtful. Bobcats want Barnes but feel like they can milk Cleveland out of a pick if they can ensure that washington won't take him if they select Drummond for cleveland. Jordan wants barnes and cleveland wants Drummond. The problem is that we have Ted the Savior running operations and can see through bluffs unlike the previous regime. If bobcats take barnes, we take drummond, and cleveland has tier 4 role player in Beal or poor man's wallace to show for their year of suffering. It's a three man draft folks and cleveland is on the outside looking in. If they can somehow use the media to convince the wizards that Beal is worthy of a top three pick, they have a chance of lowering Bobcat's demands for trading up to the number 2 spot.
don't get fooled people, JOrdan absolutely loves Barnes and Jordan may not be able to see talent for bigmen but he definitely knows shooting guard talent which is why he isn't sold on Beal and neither should we.
It's ADavis, A Drummond or H Barnes. There is no one else that comes close to these three players and I have seen many drafts. After that, we have truck load of role players. Cleveland just so happens to be the odd man out and will have to pay a fortune to grab one of the three franchise players.

Cleveland is happy with Sideshow Bob as their Center. They need wing players.

[WizarDynasty]

It's ADavis, A Drummond or H Barnes. There is no one else that comes close to these three players and I have seen many drafts. After that, we have truck load of role players. Cleveland just so happens to be the odd man out and will have to pay a fortune to grab one of the three franchise players.

You have seen many drafts and have had your predictions proven wrong on a consistent basis.

Not wrong -- just not correct...yet. The world will soon catch up with WizNasty's genius.

i usually don't respond "consistent basis"....but that's a pretty powerful statement coming from a guy who has been on this board over a decade. I would love to hear which of my predictions have been consistently wrong lol. I think most here know the real from the phoney.

[FAH1223]

Barnes is a sure fire bust. Don't kid yourselves

I don't see him as a bust at all. Maybe not a star; but should be able to develop into a 17 ppg scoer at least. He has underrated athleticism which he may be able to showcase moreso in the NBA than he could at college and a good shot. I would love to be able to trade down 2-3 spots, get Barnes and pick up an extra #1...

dude... i read your post and it sounds like something Ernie would say.

[payitforward]

Latest rumor is Cleveland is offering #4, #24 and #34 for the #2 pick.

I think it almost makes sense to trade out. Ernie and his scouts are banking on MKG never finding his shots, so trade down, possibly get Barnes at 6? Or somewhere around that range.

Take the deal for the #3 pick? Assuming Charlotte doesn't take Beal or MK-G (I guess it's Beal whom Cleveland wants)?

Then pick MK-G? This likely gets us Jae Crowder, Will Barton and John Jenkins.

But seems like Ernie doesn't want 4 rookies. Apparently we have too many good players already; don't want to be unfair to the league I guess.