Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[Dat2U]

I can't believe you all so casually dismissing veteran presence, the centerpiece of the Wizards' model for success.

You mean a well-paid veteran presence. Because Ernie knows the best veteran leaders are the ones that are getting max type money.

[Ruzious]

I thought James Singleton was good at that mentor stuff - after seeing him calming down Blatche during a game. But because his salary was very low, he couldn't possibly be a good mentor.

We have a mentor program at work. I think all it's been good for is managers getting dirt from their mentees to use against their peers - and a lot of free lunches paid for by the company.

[verbal8]

I can't believe you all so casually dismissing veteran presence, the centerpiece of the Wizards' model for success.

You mean a well-paid veteran presence. Because Ernie knows the best veteran leaders are the ones that are getting max type money.

Is that EGs role? To provide veteran leadership for the Wizards next GM.

[dckingsfan]

I can't believe you all so casually dismissing veteran presence, the centerpiece of the Wizards' model for success.

You mean a well-paid veteran presence. Because Ernie knows the best veteran leaders are the ones that are getting max type money.

Is that EGs role? To provide veteran leadership for the Wizards next GM.

[mhd]

Ariza for Derrick Williams+Barea?

Barea gives us a much needed creator and combo guard. We'll give Williams PT and see if he's actually worth anything in the NBA.

Edit: Wolves fans on their board would do Ariza+Serpahin for Williams+Schved. I'd do that deal in a second. Play Nene as the backup center for 14 minutes, and let Williams play PF for 30 MPG and see what he's got.

[hands11]

Nash would probably just retire instead of playing with us. Not because he has anything against DC, but because the only reason he even signed with the Lakers was to remain close to his daughters.

And there's no reason to want to move Wall when his recent poor play as of late can be blamed on back spasms. Accumulating his stats pre-injury, he looked every bit like the player we got at the end of last season. Give him time.

Right. I learned last year. Wall have been passing pretty well this year. Right up there with the best in the league. The offense will come. He is just learning to balance shooting with driving with passing.

Not worrying about Wall. Actually, he already added the Pick n Roll game with Gortat. That was amazingly fast that he added that.

He says he is about to start driving more. Two steps forward.. One back... He will put it together. Still one or two years away from his peak though.

[verbal8]

Ariza for Derrick Williams+Barea?

Barea gives us a much needed creator and combo guard. We'll give Williams PT and see if he's actually worth anything in the NBA.

Edit: Wolves fans on their board would do Ariza+Serpahin for Williams+Schved. I'd do that deal in a second. Play Nene as the backup center for 14 minutes, and let Williams play PF for 30 MPG and see what he's got.

They must really like Seraphin or must have a much lower opinion than they did in the pre-season of Williams. They seemed to be pretty happy that Williams' option was picked up, that deal looks like they are pretty much dumping Williams. The only hesitation I would have with dealing for Williams is that he is signed an additional year.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

^ Just remember that Nene for Nash was my idea!

Noted. Give credit where it's due.

Gasol for Nene/Ariza can be separately done or included in a Nash deal which also sends Vesely.

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[Dark Faze]

Do people still want to make moves that push us to the playoffs?

If Beal and Wall can be all-stars thats all I need. We accomplish much more for this teams long term health by losing games this year to be honest. Its sad but true--losing gets us a pick in a very good draft year and gives us our best chance at getting Ernie and Witt out of here.

I think we can do a lot more with the cap space than trading Ariza for cast-offs like D-Will and Scvhed. That's a team that's desperate to show Love that they can put talent around him, chances are they aren't getting rid of anyone with any real use.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Not buying the mentor stuff either. I doubt Nash will be able to teach Wall how to shoot.

It is looking more and more like the best move would have been to let McGee walk for nothing. This team isn't winning anything with Nene which makes his contract look that much worse.

I thought that was the best move--re-sign Javele at a most reasonable deal or let him walk.



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[sogood]

Lakers have no need for Nene especially with the emergence of Jordan Hill. Averaging 10/8 in just 20 minutes a night. 18/12 since becoming a starter.

[LyricalRico]

The Kings are aggressively pursuing trade possibilities in hopes of accelerating the rebuilding process, NBA.com has learned, with one executive saying the team is looking to swap veterans for prospects and picks.

While it is believed some conversations have advanced beyond preliminary talks, it is not immediately clear whether any deals are imminent. One league source rated Sacramento’s interest level in making a move soon as “very high,” and said the new front office led by owner Vivek Ranadive and general manager Pete D’Alessandro has had discussions with several clubs in hopes of generating activity long before the Feb. 20 trade deadline.

The Kings (3-7) have several veterans that could be of interest to playoff-bound teams looking for depth, although some of those players have sizable guaranteed contracts. John Salmons just lost his starting job at small forward, as did shooting guard Marcus Thornton and power forward Patrick Patterson.

The Kings are looking for young players or draft picks in return as additional pieces of the reconstruction that centers on DeMarcus Cousins, Ben McLemore and their own pick, destined for the lottery, in the loaded 2014 draft.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/2 ... r-a-trade/

Any way the Wiz can get in on this? Maybe Ariza+Singleton for Patterson+contract? Doesn't hurt the 2016 salary cap situation.

[verbal8]

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/2 ... r-a-trade/

Any way the Wiz can get in on this? Maybe Ariza+Singleton for Patterson+contract? Doesn't hurt the 2016 salary cap situation.

It will be hard to work out a direct trade with Sacramento. They could some in handy to facilitate a Asik-Nene deal. They basically can send Salmons in the deal, and then send an incentive to Houston. By himself, Nene might not be terribly appealing, but if it was Nene and Vasquez(or Patterson) it might be an interesting deal for Houston.

[nate33]

What about something simple like a Booker for Patterson swap, with us throwing in a 2nd rounder (don't the Knicks owe us a 2nd round pick?). It's not like Patterson has significant trade value since he is an impending free agent.

[Ruzious]

What about something simple like a Booker for Patterson swap, with us throwing in a 2nd rounder (don't the Knicks owe us a 2nd round pick?). It's not like Patterson has significant trade value since he is an impending free agent.

Now would seem the ideal time to trade for Patterson - he's had an awful start to the season and - as you say - is an impending free agent. He played well last season and is a former teammate of Wall's who would likely fit in well with the Zards running game. Of course, keeping him means no max free agent this summer, but most of us assume our front office has no intention of going after a max free agent.

[pcbothwel]

What about a 3 way that gives us scoring off the bench and a young, defensive big man who can block shots:

To Washington Wizards

SG M. Thornton 8.1M (2 years)
C Gorgui Dieng $1.4M (4 years)

To Sacramento Kings

PF D. Williams $5.0M (2 years)
C K. Seraphin $2.8M (1 year)

To Minnesota Timberwolves

SF Trevor Ariza $7.7M (1 year)

I think it may need a little work, but I like the framework. If we accept the Detroit will match for monroe, I see no reason to shed cap space as we can resign gortat with bird rights. For the additonal year in salary and downgrade in talent, we get a young big who would compliment Nene/Gortat well and a backup sg that can create his own shot(would work really well with temple).

For Kings: They take a flier on Williams and Seraphin while saving about 2M next year off of Thorntons salary.

For Wolves: Clear upgrade in talent while saving just under 8M next year. For that they give up a young big man.

Thoughts?

[Nivek]

Don't see the point for the Wizards. Ariza is the best player in that trade. Dieng might be good down the road, but I think the Wizards could get more for Ariza.

[mohammed10]

What about something simple like a Booker for Patterson swap, with us throwing in a 2nd rounder (don't the Knicks owe us a 2nd round pick?). It's not like Patterson has significant trade value since he is an impending free agent.

Just wondering if SacTown would do the trade straight up - Booker for Patterson. No need for us to throw in a 2nd rounder.

We'd be buying low (and selling low also)

[verbal8]

What about a 3 way that gives us scoring off the bench and a young, defensive big man who can block shots:

To Washington Wizards

SG M. Thornton 8.1M (2 years)
C Gorgui Dieng $1.4M (4 years)

To Sacramento Kings

PF D. Williams $5.0M (2 years)
C K. Seraphin $2.8M (1 year)

To Minnesota Timberwolves

SF Trevor Ariza $7.7M (1 year)

I think it may need a little work, but I like the framework. If we accept the Detroit will match for monroe, I see no reason to shed cap space as we can resign gortat with bird rights. For the additonal year in salary and downgrade in talent, we get a young big who would compliment Nene/Gortat well and a backup sg that can create his own shot(would work really well with temple).

For Kings: They take a flier on Williams and Seraphin while saving about 2M next year off of Thorntons salary.

For Wolves: Clear upgrade in talent while saving just under 8M next year. For that they give up a young big man.

Thoughts?

I think it looks pretty good. I am not thrilled about the Wizards paying Thornton $8 million next year, but it could add some depth.

[verbal8]

Don't see the point for the Wizards. Ariza is the best player in that trade. Dieng might be good down the road, but I think the Wizards could get more for Ariza.

What do you think the Wizards can get for Ariza? I don't see any team giving up a 1st for a 1 year rental.