Political Roundtable Part IX

[dckingsfan]

I think Canada is a good testing ground. Bring in another 100,000 over the next 4 years. Then wait ten years. If it works, then we should follow suit. I think it is important that Canada also offers full benefits from day one. Clearly it will help your financials.

[nate33]

My comment is that there are tolerant Muslim countries Malaysia & Indonesia are against Nate's rant. Who said China or Russia are tolerant countries I just returned from living 10 years in China. Its just America is just some American politicians are pissing on what America stands for Freedom of Religion.

America has the right to select who becomes a citizen countries do. But it should never be on a persons religion. Do I agree with Radical Muslims hell no who will restrict the freedom of people, but I disagree with Radical Christians and Radical Jews. Think right wings of all religions are appalling and are scum of the earth.

Okay. I'll take the Muslims from Indonesia, but not the ones from the Middle East and South Asia. I'm sure that's unfair to the millions of moderate Muslims in the Middle East, but life isn't always fair. I prioritize my concerns for Americans above Middle Eastern Muslims and I'm not going to apologize for it.

If moderate Muslims want a country where they can be free to practice their moderate Muslimness, then they should fight the radical Muslims in their midst and defeat them. If there are too many radical Muslims for the moderate Muslims to defeat, well then that just confirms my concerns about Middle Eastern Muslims in general. Too many of them are radical nut jobs.

Canada just brought 25,000 refugees from mostly Iraq & Syria who have been living in Jordon they have been thoroughly looked at and Canada plans another 10,000. Do I feel safe the answer is yes simply because many are family members of Canadians and most of the rest sponsored by a wide variety of religious groups and individuals. Plus as in the USA I believe most mosques co-operate with the various police departments.

Obviously there are rogue individuals in every religious, social economic and racial groups.

FWIW, that whole "sponsored by a wide variety of religious groups and individuals" is a racket, at least in the U.S. The federal government compensates churches monetarily for "sponsoring" refuges. No community actively wants refugees, so the only way to put them anywhere is to bribe some church to "sponsor" them. The refugees arrive and immediately go on welfare while driving up the local crime rate. It's good for the churches and good for the refugees, but really bad for the community and the taxpayer.

Unholy Alliance: Christian Charities Profit from $1 Billion Fed Program to Resettle Refugees

[FAH1223]

Obviously you have rarely traveled but both Malaysia 90% Muslim & Indonesia 95% (largest Muslim population in the world) are very tolerant to other religious groups.

Malaysian law currently provides for whipping and up to a 20-year prison sentence for homosexual acts involving either men or women.

Indonesia is indeed an exception. It is definitely the most moderate of the Muslim nations. However, it is a curious exception that probably has much to do with its geography. It's hard to maintain a strict, conservative ideology over 17,000 isolated islands. They practice a variant of Islam known as Islam Nusantara, which is a blend of Islam with principles of Hinduism and ancient Java religions.

It will be interesting to see how long it lasts. Recently, there have been more extreme Sharia Law types moving in and spreading their anti-freedom ways.

The country's Minister of Religious Affairs, Lukman Hakim Saifuddin admits that there is growing support for some elements of Sharia law - and says the government is preparing legislation to reflect this.

"We are now considering introducing a ban on drinking alcohol, gambling and prostitution. We will then put these proposals to the people and they will be made law if there is democratic agreement," he says.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35055487

A Muslim majority country wants to ban alcohol, gambling, and prostitution. This is news? This is extreme? And the people democratically want to do it!

The more conservative ideology that's been taking place in Indonesia is coming from the spread of the petro dollar i.e. Saudi Arabia. This has been going on for 40 years.

Unfortunately, most Muslim countries especially in the Arab world are simply ruled by a dictatorship of treasonous criminals that will easily sell their own mother for the smallest profit..

This is the main problem, and the wahabi virus that has spread from Saudi to the whole Muslim world has confused everyone and prevented discussion of the most important issues by making everyone focus on mere dogma and the appearance of piety.

Arabs have the trauma of colonialism and its long lasting debilitating effects. The Turks survived that thanks to Attaturk.

Because of colonialism the Arabs have been fookked with by lots of different western ideologies and been bullied.
They have reverted to Islam as a way to cope, but they reverted increasingly to a narrow, dry interpretation that has come from the Najd. You see people aiming to implement parts of SAUDI tribal culture as part of Sharia or in Afghanistan they use tribal code, PashtunWali which contradicts Sharia on many issues. I read some Taliban leaders wanted to use tribal code because the Sharia is too liberal!

The Turks have had secularism forced down their throats and at gunpoint, but they survived, and they remained Muslim. The accidental positive side effect was that Turkey was shielded form Salafism/Wahhabism.

The result of this is that the Turkish peoples interpretation of Islam has not changed and was the same as everyone else's before the 1970's.

Before the 70's everyone was like the Turks. After the 70's especially in a place like Somalia we have seen a huge change. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country and has also been shielded by the Saudi money until the 1990s. But due to the geography, the Saudi influence is fewer and far between rather than say, Afghanistan or Pakistan.

[dckingsfan]

Piling on:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/confidant-of-malaysia-prime-minister-had-central-role-at-troubled-fund-1461028765

[AFM]

LOL!!!!!!!!!

[CobraCommander]

LOL!!!!!!!!!

This isn't even a question. why would you "import" anyone. Just don't "close the border" on any country that will willingly accept Americans. I hate how so many countries can send people here and we give them a path to citizenship but their home country wouldn't allow an American to become a citizen of their country. For Any country that would prevent an American from becoming naturalized citizen of their country should not have the option to have dual citizens. For example...Korea- if you read their rules - unless you are of Korean decent or married to a Korean you can't be a citizen. Which is cool...but then you can't come to USA and have dual citizenship...you renounce South Korea or you can't be an American (fair is fair right).

[nate33]

Wow! Trump absolutely obliterates the field in New York. He won all 27 congressional districts, and 23-24 of them by 50% more. He's going to come away with 91 or 92 of the 95 delegates. Kasich will get the other 3-4. Cruz gets nada.

[dckingsfan]

Wow! Trump absolutely obliterates the field in New York. He won all 27 congressional districts, and 23-24 of them by 50% more. He's going to come away with 91 or 92 of the 95 delegates. Kasich will get the other 3-4. Cruz gets nada.

Cruz got posterized... We need an AFM image.

[FAH1223]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/thehill/status/723490056762187776[/tweet]

[nate33]

[dckingsfan]

Yep, tomorrow is a pretty big day:
Tue, Apr 26 Connecticut
Tue, Apr 26 Delaware
Tue, Apr 26 Maryland
Tue, Apr 26 Pennsylvania
Tue, Apr 26 Rhode Island

If it holds that might be the end of Bernie.



Which is going to give us something a bit unprecedented:

[CobraCommander]

Yep, tomorrow is a pretty big day:
Tue, Apr 26 Connecticut
Tue, Apr 26 Delaware
Tue, Apr 26 Maryland
Tue, Apr 26 Pennsylvania
Tue, Apr 26 Rhode Island

If it holds that might be the end of Bernie.



Which is going to give us something a bit unprecedented:

Bernie is done if he doesn't win some states tomorrow. But I do think Bernie could sweep the West Coast...

[CobraCommander]

I was impressed by the simplitcy of Bernies tax returns. 200k family income makes him the only non-millionaire in this race. Makes you wonder if Bernie really believes the socialist stuff he says.

[JWizmentality]

Conservatives are playing with fire with this voter ID nonsense. We're heading full speed ahead into a political cataclysm when thousands of people are denied their right to vote in November. This is going to be ugly.

[dckingsfan]

Conservatives are playing with fire with this voter ID nonsense. We're heading full speed ahead into a political cataclysm when thousands of people are denied their right to vote in November. This is going to be ugly.

I think it becomes a non-issue given what the campaigns seem to be about.

[pineappleheadindc]

Donald Trump sweeps tonight's primary contests. IMO, the Republican race is over -- regardless of what the "stop Trump" establishment republicans think.

For better or worse, I'm pretty sure it's Trump vs Hillary. It's going to be a historic, often funny and/or frustrating, campaign season.

[nate33]

Donald Trump sweeps tonight's primary contests. IMO, the Republican race is over -- regardless of what the "stop Trump" establishment republicans think.

For better or worse, I'm pretty sure it's Trump vs Hillary. It's going to be a historic, often funny and/or frustrating, campaign season.

Yup.

Trump will probably get to 1237 before the convention given the momentum he has now. And even if he doesn't, he'll get to within 30 or so, and the 54 "unbound" delegates in Pennsylvania will feel compelled to vote for him since he won 60% of the vote in the state (to Cruz's 20%). That'll put him over the top in the 1st vote. No 2nd vote shenanigans for Cruz.

[FAH1223]

I was impressed by the simplitcy of Bernies tax returns. 200k family income makes him the only non-millionaire in this race. Makes you wonder if Bernie really believes the socialist stuff he says.

He's been saying the same stuff for 40 years so I think he really does believe what he's saying.

And he cites other industrialized countries with cheaper healthcare and higher education costs mainly.

He's going to be a much more influential Senator now. As is Elizabeth Warren and others in that camp.

[nate33]

Trump above 50% in all 5 states. Exceeding all expectations. He may win every single congressional district in all 5 states. Only some Maryland CD's near DC in are doubt. He should finish with about 107 out of the 118 available bindable delegates. He'll also get most of the 54 unbound delegates from PA (but they may not be counted in his column for a while). All told, by the end of the night, he'll be sitting on about 950 bound delegates plus another 50 or so unbound from PA.

He'll only need 237 more. He'll surely get 80-85 out of NJ and WV. He'll get a proportional share out of Washington, Oregon and New Mexico, figure about 40 (and that's conservative). So that gets him within 125 without even counting California's 172 and Indiana's 57. He could lose statewide in Indiana to Cruz (taking only 3 CD's or so and earning 9 delegates) and still win it.

[AFM]

Mein Fuhrer I can valk!!!!!