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Political Roundtable Part XVIII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#281 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:18 am

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I want you to say it, since you give drump credit for the record highs.


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That’s an idiotic tweet attempting to deflect from the topic. We weren’t talking about cnn. We were talking about the stock market dropping like a damn rock.

What happened to the confidence in the “trump market” huh buddy? :laugh:


wait. according to you guys this entire stock market run up was all obama. so trump finally took over responsibility for the stock market last thursday?

which way do you guys want it? huh buddy? :lol:

but seriously, we had gotten away from the petty bickering back and forth and name calling for a few days...any chance you guys can act like gentlemen? Or is this an unending childish thing? I mean be happy or upset about all the policy, politics, and market conditions as you want. but do we really need to call each other names?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#282 » by cammac » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:30 am

Trump alternate facts last week!
Pretty average week for the Trumpster
"Great jobs numbers and finally, after many years, rising wages- and nobody even talks about them."
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in fact: Wages have been rising since 2014. As PTheir was no Collusion and there was no Obstruction (the word now used because, after one year of looking endlessly and finding NOTHING, collusion is dead). This is an American disgrace!"
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in fact: Trump was not "vindicate(d)" by the Republican memo that alleged FBI wrongdoing in one part of its investigation into the Trump campaign's links to Russia. Even if one were to believe the memo in its entirety -- even though the FBI says there are "material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy" -- the partisan document does not prove that there was no collusion between the campaign or the Russian government, or that Trump did not attempt to obstruct justice. At best, for Trump, it suggests that the FBI may have been misleading, by omission, when it asked a court for a warrant to conduct surveillance on a former Trump campaign adviser (Carter Page) who had already left the campaign. The investigation, now being led by special counsel Robert Mueller, is much broader. "I actually don't think (the memo) has any impact on the Russia probe," Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy, who described himself as "pretty integrally involved" in drafting the memo, told CBS two days after Trump's tweet. He continued: "To the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the (intelligence surveillance court) process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice." As Gowdy was suggesting, the question of Trump campaign collusion with the Russian government is far from "dead." Mueller's probe remains active; Mueller, of course, has already secured guilty pleas from two officials from Trump's campaign, Papadopoulos and Michael Flynn, for lying to the FBI about their interactions with Russians.olitiFact reported: "For much of the time between 2012 and 2014, median weekly earnings were lower than they were in 1979 -- a frustrating disappearance of any wage growth for 35 years. But that began changing in 2014. After hitting a low of $330 a week in early 2014, wages have risen to $354 a week by early 2017. That's an increase of 7.3 percent over a roughly three-year period." The recent acceleration of wage growth under Trump has received extensive media coverage.


Their was no Collusion and there was no Obstruction (the word now used because, after one year of looking endlessly and finding NOTHING, collusion is dead). This is an American disgrace!"
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in fact: Trump was not "vindicate(d)" by the Republican memo that alleged FBI wrongdoing in one part of its investigation into the Trump campaign's links to Russia. Even if one were to believe the memo in its entirety -- even though the FBI says there are "material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy" -- the partisan document does not prove that there was no collusion between the campaign or the Russian government, or that Trump did not attempt to obstruct justice. At best, for Trump, it suggests that the FBI may have been misleading, by omission, when it asked a court for a warrant to conduct surveillance on a former Trump campaign adviser (Carter Page) who had already left the campaign. The investigation, now being led by special counsel Robert Mueller, is much broader. "I actually don't think (the memo) has any impact on the Russia probe," Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy, who described himself as "pretty integrally involved" in drafting the memo, told CBS two days after Trump's tweet. He continued: "To the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the (intelligence surveillance court) process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice." As Gowdy was suggesting, the question of Trump campaign collusion with the Russian government is far from "dead." Mueller's probe remains active; Mueller, of course, has already secured guilty pleas from two officials from Trump's campaign, Papadopoulos and Michael Flynn, for lying to the FBI about their interactions with Russians.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#283 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:33 am

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Zonkerbl wrote:Carter Page is not some innocent real estate developer who got unfairly targeted by mean alt-left FBI agents. He was stopped and told, in 2013, that certain people he was hanging out with were spies. Then he continued to hang out with them.

They say ignorance of the law is no excuse and stupidity isn't either. Carter Page entirely deserves to be under investigation.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#284 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:40 am

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here you go. once court docs are released you will see just how much Obama DOJ/FBI attempted to hide the truth.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#285 » by TGW » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:43 am

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That’s an idiotic tweet attempting to deflect from the topic. We weren’t talking about cnn. We were talking about the stock market dropping like a damn rock.

What happened to the confidence in the “trump market” huh buddy? :laugh:


wait. according to you guys this entire stock market run up was all obama. so trump finally took over responsibility for the stock market last thursday?

which way do you guys want it? huh buddy? :lol:

but seriously, we had gotten away from the petty bickering back and forth and name calling for a few days...any chance you guys can act like gentlemen? Or is this an unending childish thing? I mean be happy or upset about all the policy, politics, and market conditions as you want. but do we really need to call each other names?


First of all, you’re a troll. I simply gave you temporary attention because I wanted to see you squirm. If you were worth having a real discussion with, i wouldn’t have you on ignore and I wouldn’t refer to you as stilladumbass. When you post stupid tweets, ramble incoherently, and change your views depending on where the wind blows, you don’t get respect from me.

And yea only a fool like trump brags about the stock market, because like today, you end up with egg on your face. No one here bragged about the stock market under Obama because the stock market is not an economic indicator. We’ve had this conversation ad nauseous before you decided to troll our thread.

And today is just the beginning. The dominoes are starting to fall. Trumps economy is going to be a disaster.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#286 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:43 am

this is now the 7th or 8th country talking about seriously shutting down their borders.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#287 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:45 am

GOP takes logical high road. again.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#288 » by TGW » Tue Feb 6, 2018 7:04 am

So the market was afraid that wages were getting too high, and worried about inflation, so there were massive sell-offs.

Yea, the stock market is truly a great economic indicator :laugh:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#289 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 8:26 am

its very important to remember how we got here. its important to remember that Trump has NOT colluded with anyone. That Carter Page didn't collude and was also barely part of the Trump campaign. and that papadopoulus didn't collude (i dont think) and also was nearly non existant in the campaign just like carter page.

this whole thing was cooked up by steele, who was paid by Perkins, who was paid for by HRC and the DNC and OBAMA himself.

Its borderline amazing where we find ourselves today. and its almost amazing how difficult this pill has been to swallow by the left. They broke some of the highest crimes we have as a country to protect ourselves. They fully conspired to throw 2 elections. Both the primaries against bernie and then the general. They were so brazen because they thought they had it in the bag.

Never forget this. And never ever ever forget who told you first!! your welcome biotches!! :) :)

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what?? NYT is joining the fight and going to start actually doing investigative journalism again? nah, dont think so. just trying to scoop sara carter who is light years out in front on all of this.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#290 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 10:30 am

ok its 4am my time and CNN just spent 15 straight minutes telling me how great and strong the economy is. they even mentioned that the dow is still up 33% since election day and all the market indicators indicate that the market guiding principles are still very strong. and "dont worry" this is not a crash!! they promise!! just a minor correction and should be expected after over heating with an unprecedent amazing year of record breaking performance. My effing God!!! wow!! I thought I was watching hanity for a second. wow! CNN

i mean really CNN? Really?? You spent the last year ignoring the market altogether and today you tell me how great it is? Scared of your own damn 401K dropping??? Phucking pricks! That is some straight up bull shxt reporting. I cant believe you guys watch them to get your actual news. I strictly watch them so i know when where and how liberals are telling on themselves. what a straight up crock though. Worst news outlet ever. Worst effing news ever. Easy choice. fakest news to ever exist. I still cant believe it. overnight effing pivot. Just last night they were telling me how silly trump is to make all these claims about the stock market all year long and now they are doing it and how badly this crash was. Literally calling it a crash yesterday and minor correction this morning. What gives with these guys!! Right after it dropped 10% in a couple days. We should not panic, huh CNN. These guys. these phucking guys. something else. why anyone would listen to them is just beyond all reason.

As i said a few days ago. i pulled everything out over the past week. Thought i would have sleepless night FOMO. feeling kind of good these past 2 days. Hope it keeps tanking TBH. sorry not sorry. I'll be moving back in at around 22,500 or not getting back in until there is another major correction. I'm fine missing out if takes off and wish you guys luck that are riding this out.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#291 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 10:37 am

Hong Kong down 6% right now. Tokyo also down 6% world market in general down between 2-5%

CNN back on economy!! running same segment literally 7 minutes after they just ran it. My effing God! scarred muthaphuckas!??

Now telling us even if stock fall again today everything is alright!!

I predict at least a 450 point drop on the day and the peak drop around 800. hmmmmm... maybe i will jump back in 23,300 and ride it up half a point on the day? We'll see. first 10 minutes will determine the day.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#292 » by closg00 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 11:30 am

SSD0 - Please answer this question

Q. Why did Donald Trump create a lie/cover story for Don Jr's meeting where he met to collude with the Russian's against HRC?

Oh, RELEASE THE MEMO :)
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#293 » by cammac » Tue Feb 6, 2018 12:12 pm

The electoral map is getting clearer with the gerrymandering decision in Pennsylvania which is one of the worst in the USA. This will add seat for the Democrats that had been deviously contrived into Republican seats. If a 9 to 9 split can be achieved that is a net gain of 6 seats for the Democrats and in a wave could be more. PA18 becomes more interesting with a solidly Trump candidate and solid Democratic candidate that Trump won by 20 points. Obviously the seat will be redrawn but interesting to see the results.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#294 » by queridiculo » Tue Feb 6, 2018 12:14 pm

JWizmentality wrote:Very sobering.


In a nutshell, stop being lazy and take the time to read instead of regurgitating talking points.

Always a great message until you realize that the United States of America are being led by an aliterate buffoon that is loved and cheered on by an army of aliterate bufoons :lol:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#295 » by cammac » Tue Feb 6, 2018 12:17 pm

Nunes is a is a liar and just plan stupid and drooling lackey for the Trumpster who have totally adopted his masters habits!
Rep. Devin Nunes is the author of a newly declassified document falsely insinuating the FBI misused US surveillance law to go after President Trump under the pretext of investigating Russia. On Monday morning, Nunes went on Fox & Friends, the president’s favorite TV show, to discuss Trump’s alleged persecution — and told a lie so brazen that there’s photographic proof of its wrongness.

The lie concerned George Papadopoulos, the Trump campaign’s foreign policy adviser who pled guilty to lying to the FBI last year and became a major witness in special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation. According to Nunes, Papadopoulos was a completely marginal figure in Trump world. So unimportant, in fact, that Trump never met with him.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#296 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Feb 6, 2018 12:20 pm

montestewart wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:Carter Page is not some innocent real estate developer who got unfairly targeted by mean alt-left FBI agents. He was stopped and told, in 2013, that certain people he was hanging out with were spies. Then he continued to hang out with them.

They say ignorance of the law is no excuse and stupidity isn't either. Carter Page entirely deserves to be under investigation.

And while none of us (including Nunes and his defenders, apparently) know exactly what evidence was presented in order to get that initial warrant, it certainly sounds like there was a ton of evidence available prior to obtaining the warrant. And hey, it also sounds like Steele's potential bias and partisan leanings were revealed at the time the warrant was granted. So....anything else?


One more thing - the accusation that the FBI "feloniously" left out critical information about the political origins of the dossier? Yeah, that was a lie also:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/nunes-fine-the-fbi-didnt-lie-but-its-font-was-too-small.html

Honestly, you can not make this shite up. My respect for the FBI's professionalism grows every day.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#297 » by cammac » Tue Feb 6, 2018 12:24 pm

Trump truly believes the Memo vindicates him? Why I'm not sure but even party stalwarts question that!
On Thursday, Ryan asserted at a news conference, “It does not impugn the Mueller investigation or the deputy attorney general.”

Among the other Republicans who have expressed skepticism, albeit of varying intensity, are Sens. John McCain (Ariz.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (S.C.) and Reps. Will Hurd (Texas), Brad Wenstrup (Ohio) and Chris Stewart (Utah).


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#298 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Feb 6, 2018 12:25 pm

You guys! The President has no influence over the stock market one way or another!

It is funny though that the President erroneously took credit for the stock market boom and then it crashed. Hardyhar!!! Delicious irony!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#299 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Feb 6, 2018 12:31 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#300 » by cammac » Tue Feb 6, 2018 12:34 pm

Traitor is a word that Trump hurls around very casually about others and can those worlds come to roost with him?
One thing we've learned in the last two years is that no legal, moral or cultural strictures bind Trump and that he is immune to the better angels of human nature. The moral event horizon around him consumes the good in anyone who becomes one of his vassals. There is no better version of Trump, ever. He can only degrade and destroy everything he touches, but today was remarkable, even for him.


Even for Trump, on an endless quest to define American decency down, this was a new low. His followers and Congressional cheering section will love it, of course. A few Republicans in Congress may furrow a brow or intone some anodyne statement like, "I wouldn't have put it that way, but..."


Well, then: If you're looking for someone who is betraying this nation, look for a person who would deliberately and systematically wreck the institutions that guarantee the separation of powers and the accountability of the executive and legislative branches. Look for a person who would suborn the rule of law to protect himself, his family, and his cronies from justice.

If you're looking for someone in the act of betraying the glorious vision of our Founders and our Constitution, look no further than the vulgar, prancing, reality-show clown who holds the Presidency.


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