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long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:All of this is why I still don't really understand why Wall hasn't played yet.
nate33 wrote:daSwami wrote:The Laser's trade value has never been higher. Just sayin'.
... and never will be higher.
Illmatic12 wrote:nate33 wrote:daSwami wrote:The Laser's trade value has never been higher. Just sayin'.
... and never will be higher.
Idk about that. Right now he’s a rental.
The Boston trade ideas are fictitious , they can’t even pay Davis in the summer so they wouldn’t be willing to offer real assets now .
Im thinking we could probably get just as much if not more for Bertans this summer in an S&T
Or we could sign him to market value deal and then trade him later (his value will go up playing with both Wall and Beal).
Very few teams have cap space so the chances of him receiving exorbitant deal on the open market are slimmer.
nate33 wrote:Illmatic12 wrote:nate33 wrote:... and never will be higher.
Idk about that. Right now he’s a rental.
The Boston trade ideas are fictitious , they can’t even pay Davis in the summer so they wouldn’t be willing to offer real assets now .
Im thinking we could probably get just as much if not more for Bertans this summer in an S&T
Or we could sign him to market value deal and then trade him later (his value will go up playing with both Wall and Beal).
Very few teams have cap space so the chances of him receiving exorbitant deal on the open market are slimmer.
No his value is higher right now specifically because so few teams have cap room. He's the best guy available in the entire league with a contract less than $8M, and there's a bunch of win-now playoff teams who don't have much cap ballast to include in a trade. And since he comes with Bird Rights, teams can keep him. He's not a rental.
nate33 wrote:I think Boston will work out a long term deal with Hayward at a lower cost. Hayward has an injury history and is probably willing to trade some up front money for long term security. Instead if him taking that PO at $34M, he'll sign for 4 years $90M or something like that. That would free up the money to retain Bertans at or just above the tax.
Shoe wrote:
I don't think Bertans wants to leave. Sometimes a comfortable fit takes priority over taking a risk.
nate33 wrote:His defense is fine. He's not a stopper or anything. It's not like he can be expected to switch out onto point guards and stay in front of them. But for the most part, he is in the right spot, he has long arms that get into passing lanes, and he works hard. On this team, that makes him one of the better defenders on the roster. His slight frame makes him a sub-par rebounder for his position.
On a scale of 1-10, I'd call him a 3 or 4. But the team only has 3 players that would rank higher than 5 (Mahinmi, Payton and maybe Bonga).
Zonkerbl wrote:nate33 wrote:His defense is fine. He's not a stopper or anything. It's not like he can be expected to switch out onto point guards and stay in front of them. But for the most part, he is in the right spot, he has long arms that get into passing lanes, and he works hard. On this team, that makes him one of the better defenders on the roster. His slight frame makes him a sub-par rebounder for his position.
On a scale of 1-10, I'd call him a 3 or 4. But the team only has 3 players that would rank higher than 5 (Mahinmi, Payton and maybe Bonga).
So if you plugged him into a team with above average defensive talent other than him, he wouldn't make the whole exercise pointless like Antawn Jamison did.
nate33 wrote:
Thinking about which of those teams might be interested in Bertans.
Atlanta could do it. But now that they have two full time centers, Collins will probably become a full time PF. And they've got the SF position covered with Hunter and Reddish. Do they want to pay Bertans $15M just to cover the 14 minutes Collins doesn't play at PF? Do they want to commit 2021 money when they could otherwise be a player in free agency?
New York remains overloaded at PF, and they presumably want to move Barrett to full time SF. If they sign a big contract lasting beyond 2021, I think it would be for a guard like Bogdanovic or Van Vleet, not another power forward.
Detroit is in total rebuilding mode now that Drummond is gone. I don't see them signing a 27-year-old vet
Miami already has Duncan Robinson, Kelly Olynyk and Meyers Leonard in the spot-up shooter role. And they're keeping their powder dry for 2021. They won't go after Bertans.
Charlotte might consider it. They're thin at forward and a good shooter provides spacing to make it easier to develop other positions.
Phoenix drafted Cameron Johnson to fill the same role, and he's doing so pretty nicely. On the other hand, they don't really have a PF going forward so they might throw their cap money at someone. I think a more defensive-minded guy like Millsap, Morris or Jerami Grant would make more sense for them, though. There's also Gallinari.
So really, I think Charlotte is the biggest threat. Atlanta has so much money, they're a concern too.
nate33 wrote:
Thinking about which of those teams might be interested in Bertans.
Atlanta could do it. But now that they have two full time centers, Collins will probably become a full time PF. And they've got the SF position covered with Hunter and Reddish. Do they want to pay Bertans $15M just to cover the 14 minutes Collins doesn't play at PF? Do they want to commit 2021 money when they could otherwise be a player in free agency?
New York remains overloaded at PF, and they presumably want to move Barrett to full time SF. If they sign a big contract lasting beyond 2021, I think it would be for a guard like Bogdanovic or Van Vleet, not another power forward.
Detroit is in total rebuilding mode now that Drummond is gone. I don't see them signing a 27-year-old vet
Miami already has Duncan Robinson, Kelly Olynyk and Meyers Leonard in the spot-up shooter role. And they're keeping their powder dry for 2021. They won't go after Bertans.
Charlotte might consider it. They're thin at forward and a good shooter provides spacing to make it easier to develop other positions.
Phoenix drafted Cameron Johnson to fill the same role, and he's doing so pretty nicely. On the other hand, they don't really have a PF going forward so they might throw their cap money at someone. I think a more defensive-minded guy like Millsap, Morris or Jerami Grant would make more sense for them, though. There's also Gallinari.
So really, I think Charlotte is the biggest threat. Atlanta has so much money, they're a concern too.
