Bradley Beal - Part IV

[doclinkin]

Seems like he's staying for sure. IDK why he said his free agency would be "crazy" though.

Definitely just wants to mess with the media and the internet. He’s signing a 5 year deal and it’s obvious. Don’t think it’s a supermax though.

Wiz are going to do everything they can to land Dyson Daniels on draft night.

This, though I think he also wants to make the tour and be woo'ed, to see if anyone wants to change his mind and to hear why people really really like him. Also, while he knows he can make the most money here, I think he'd like to window shop for his next team for when he has inked the dollar figures but it is clear this team is on a different timeline than him. Or success scale. He has said he has never entered free agency, and that it is nice to be wanted. I'd bet some part of the conversation is: well when you are ready to jump, here is how we want you and how you will fit in.

But the money is better here, so unless there is an eye-popping presentation in a market that offers more opportunities (endorsements, post season $$, larger media market) then his agent would tend to advise him to sign here, with player options built in so he can do it all again.

[9 and 20]

He's going to star in the Comcast version of 'the decision.' Hosted by Drew Gooden with Terd Leonsis Jr. doing some commentary. Show preceded by women's division II lacrosse preseason and immediately followed by the world series of poker, seniors' division. Taking his talents to Chinatown.

[nate33]

I would hope that Beal at least has the decency to tell the team before the draft if he is leaving so they can work out a deal and rebuild the team.

It's not really too much of a concern. The only team out there that can sign Beal to near-max money is San Antonio. Anyone else who wants him is going to be much better off trying to arrange a sign-and-trade with Washington rather than making moves to dump contracts to generate cap space.

Beal won't leave for nothing. We won't get back what we would have gotten had we traded him 18 months ago, but we will get back a decent package of late 1st round picks.

Nate... Hes resigning.
He's doing active stuff in the community and stating he has made up his mind.
You think he would of already decided where to go, his contract, and the mechanics of any necessary trade a week before the NBA draft and 2 weeks before the start of FA?

He has told Tommy he's back to give him room to maneuver over the next two weeks is my best guess.

I agree, he's almost surely resigning. I meant only to address 80sballboy's concerns about Beal leaving for nothing. In the very unlikely scenario of Beal leaving, it won't be for nothing.

[Wizardspride]

Seems like he's staying for sure. IDK why he said his free agency would be "crazy" though.

Definitely just wants to mess with the media and the internet. He’s signing a 5 year deal and it’s obvious. Don’t think it’s a supermax though.

Wiz are going to do everything they can to land Dyson Daniels on draft night.

Or Jaden Ivey....allegedly

[payitforward]

I'm thinking today's announcement will be a trade with Sac'to -- for the 4th pick, obviously: Jaden Ivey.

The question is, what's the goal? To make Brad happy? Or to replace him?

If the latter, then he'll be part of the deal I guess -- even if he doesn't wind up on the Kings.

OTOH, much more likely, the goal is to make Brad happy. In which case, It will be no big surprise to me to see all 3 of Gafford, Avdija & Kispert go. Along with 10. We'd take back Davion Mitchell ("look Brad: we got a point guard!") plus whatever veteran(s) they want to get rid of (Holmes &/or Harkless?) along with the 4th pick.

Might be Rui who goes instead of Avdija. That would be better. Maybe we'll also get the Kings' #37 pick. That'd make it better too. Especially if Koloko was on the board -- i.e. to replace Gafford.

There'll be some victory whoops around town, including right here on this board, & then we'll win 34 games this season.

[DCZards]

I'm thinking today's announcement will be a trade with Sac'to -- for the 4th pick, obviously: Jaden Ivey.

The question is, what's the goal? To make Brad happy? Or to replace him?

If the latter, then he'll be part of the deal I guess -- even if he doesn't wind up on the Kings.

OTOH, much more likely, the goal is to make Brad happy. In which case, It will be no big surprise to me to see all 3 of Gafford, Avdija & Kispert go. Along with 10. We'd take back Davion Mitchell ("look Brad: we got a point guard!") plus whatever veteran(s) they want to get rid of (Holmes &/or Harkless?) along with the 4th pick.

Might be Rui who goes instead of Avdija. That would be better. Maybe we'll also get the Kings' #37 pick. That'd make it better too. Especially if Koloko was on the board -- i.e. to replace Gafford.

There'll be some victory whoops around town, including right here on this board, & then we'll win 34 games this season.

…and a bright good-morning to you as well Eeyore.

[nate33]

I'm thinking today's announcement will be a trade with Sac'to -- for the 4th pick, obviously: Jaden Ivey.

The question is, what's the goal? To make Brad happy? Or to replace him?

If the latter, then he'll be part of the deal I guess -- even if he doesn't wind up on the Kings.

OTOH, much more likely, the goal is to make Brad happy. In which case, It will be no big surprise to me to see all 3 of Gafford, Avdija & Kispert go. Along with 10. We'd take back Davion Mitchell ("look Brad: we got a point guard!") plus whatever veteran(s) they want to get rid of (Holmes &/or Harkless?) along with the 4th pick.

Might be Rui who goes instead of Avdija. That would be better. Maybe we'll also get the Kings' #37 pick. That'd make it better too. Especially if Koloko was on the board -- i.e. to replace Gafford.

There'll be some victory whoops around town, including right here on this board, & then we'll win 34 games this season.

If we trade for Ivey, it would be really foolish to keep Beal. Ivey is several years away from being a plus player. His talent is immense, but he is very raw. He will turn the ball over too much, miss too many jumpers, and blow assignments on defense for a couple of years.

The best case scenario would be to trade Beal for Ivey. The next best case scenario would be to make that trade for Ivey, and then trade Beal elsewhere (Boston?) for future picks/prospects.

[nate33]

I'm thinking today's announcement will be a trade with Sac'to -- for the 4th pick, obviously: Jaden Ivey.

I can't imagine they would make this trade without first waiting to confirm that Ivey is on the board at #4.

Given the timing of the announcement, it almost surely an announcement that Beal has either been resigned or traded. The only other possibility is that we have completed a trade that doesn't involve draft picks - something like Kuzma + Ish for Conley, or Kuzma + KCP for Brogdon.

[doclinkin]

I'm thinking today's announcement will be a trade with Sac'to -- for the 4th pick, obviously: Jaden Ivey.

I can't imagine they would make this trade without first waiting to confirm that Ivey is on the board at #4.

Given the timing of the announcement, it almost surely an announcement that Beal has either been resigned or traded. The only other possibility is that we have completed a trade that doesn't involve draft picks - something like Kuzma + Ish for Conley, or Kuzma + KCP for Brogdon.

Given Tommy being Tommy I expect the press conference is mostly bla bla bla happy talk in advance of the draft, before he dives in to the actual work of it. Tommy likes to do his PR moment where he banters with reporters and reveals nothing. Given that there was another minor hullabaloo over the weekend re: yet another Beal "will he or won't he" strip tease, Tommy plans to jump in front of it and make himself the story. That done he goes into the bunker for a few days and makes a billion phone calls. I would fully doubt anything truly substantive is said or done today. Free agency isn't open. Trades made today would be weaker than trades made on draft day. Neh, I don't imagine much comes out of this. It is draft week so Tommy will get the questions over with, then move on.

[nate33]

I'm thinking today's announcement will be a trade with Sac'to -- for the 4th pick, obviously: Jaden Ivey.

I can't imagine they would make this trade without first waiting to confirm that Ivey is on the board at #4.

Given the timing of the announcement, it almost surely an announcement that Beal has either been resigned or traded. The only other possibility is that we have completed a trade that doesn't involve draft picks - something like Kuzma + Ish for Conley, or Kuzma + KCP for Brogdon.

Given Tommy being Tommy I expect the press conference is mostly bla bla bla happy talk in advance of the draft, before he dives in to the actual work of it. Tommy likes to do his PR moment where he banters with reporters and reveals nothing. Given that there was another minor hullabaloo over the weekend re: yet another Beal "will he or won't he" strip tease, Tommy plans to jump in front of it and make himself the story. That done he goes into the bunker for a few days and makes a billion phone calls. I would fully doubt anything truly substantive is said or done today. Free agency isn't open. Trades made today would be weaker than trades made on draft day. Neh, I don't imagine much comes out of this. It is draft week so Tommy will get the questions over with, then move on.

Yes, or that. The announcement could be nothing meaningful at all.

[Frichuela]

I'm thinking today's announcement will be a trade with Sac'to -- for the 4th pick, obviously: Jaden Ivey.

The question is, what's the goal? To make Brad happy? Or to replace him?

If the latter, then he'll be part of the deal I guess -- even if he doesn't wind up on the Kings.

OTOH, much more likely, the goal is to make Brad happy. In which case, It will be no big surprise to me to see all 3 of Gafford, Avdija & Kispert go. Along with 10. We'd take back Davion Mitchell ("look Brad: we got a point guard!") plus whatever veteran(s) they want to get rid of (Holmes &/or Harkless?) along with the 4th pick.

Might be Rui who goes instead of Avdija. That would be better. Maybe we'll also get the Kings' #37 pick. That'd make it better too. Especially if Koloko was on the board -- i.e. to replace Gafford.

There'll be some victory whoops around town, including right here on this board, & then we'll win 34 games this season.

Any trade up (or trade down) news are most likely to come up right at the draft on Thursday- IMO.

This is my hypothetical (best case) for a trade up to get Ivey:

WAS send #10+Kuzma+Rui and get 4(Ivey)+Holmes+Harkless

Then immediately trade Gafford to CHA for #15. With #15 they select Eason or Liddle (most likely as Eason is probably gone).

Roster:

Ivey/vet (Larkin?)
Beal/Kispert
KCP/Harkless
Deni/Gill (cheaply resigned)/#15 (Liddle)
Porzinga/Holmes

[nate33]

I'm thinking today's announcement will be a trade with Sac'to -- for the 4th pick, obviously: Jaden Ivey.

The question is, what's the goal? To make Brad happy? Or to replace him?

If the latter, then he'll be part of the deal I guess -- even if he doesn't wind up on the Kings.

OTOH, much more likely, the goal is to make Brad happy. In which case, It will be no big surprise to me to see all 3 of Gafford, Avdija & Kispert go. Along with 10. We'd take back Davion Mitchell ("look Brad: we got a point guard!") plus whatever veteran(s) they want to get rid of (Holmes &/or Harkless?) along with the 4th pick.

Might be Rui who goes instead of Avdija. That would be better. Maybe we'll also get the Kings' #37 pick. That'd make it better too. Especially if Koloko was on the board -- i.e. to replace Gafford.

There'll be some victory whoops around town, including right here on this board, & then we'll win 34 games this season.

Any trade up (or trade down) news are most likely to come up right at the draft on Thursday- IMO.

This is my hypothetical (best case) for a trade up to get Ivey:

WAS send #10+Kuzma+Rui and get 4(Ivey)+Holmes+Harkless

Then immediately trade Gafford to CHA for #15. With #15 they select Eason or Liddle (most likely as Eason is probably gone).

Roster:

Ivey/vet (Larkin?)
Beal/Kispert
KCP/Harkless
Deni/Gill (cheaply resigned)/#15 (Liddle)
Porzinga/Holmes

That would be a pretty sweet outcome, particularly if we landed Eason.

That said, I'm just not a huge fan of trading up for Ivey and then retaining Beal. If we acquire Ivey, we must trade Beal and commit to a full rebuild.

[NatP4]

Where is all of this coming from? I’m almost certain it will be a press conference involving absolutely nothing substantial. Tommy will just ramble in circles about doing his due diligence as a GM to explore every possibility (trades, trade up/down in draft, free agency) to make the team better. He’ll give a generic and meaningless surface level scouting report on a couple of prospects possibly available around the 10 slot. Also will give his scripted response regarding Beal. “Brad is a huge part of what we’re doing here and we’ve had good conversations between the two of us, we know what he wants and he knows that we want him back here, our offer remains the same”.

They wouldn’t announce any trades or signings this far from draft night/free agency.

[80sballboy]

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[Kanyewest]

I was revisiting some highlights from the 2017 playoffs where Beal had 33 points in game 6 and 38 points in game 7 against the Celtics in 2017 - granted the Celtics defense was not as vaunted although it did feature Marcus Smart, Al Horford, and Avery Bradley. Perhaps his playoff resume would be viewed a bit differently if he didn't put a complete dud in game 2 (14 points on 4-15 shooting). Still, I would like to see what Beal could do with a championship level roster. Only finals rosters that I can think of that had less talent surrounding the best player were the 2018 Cavs and the 2007 Cavaliers (comparing that to the 2017 Wizards where Beal may not have been the best player). And lately Beal has had even less talent than that.

But after a down year from Beal and with the history of this franchise, who knows whether that version of Beal is gone. While Beal's handle is much better as well as his mid range game, his 3 point shot has never appeared worse. He only shot 30% from 3 point range (only .2% better than Russell Westbrook last season).

Maybe last season was a blip (maybe Dinwiddie fit was the reason for the poor showing), still feels a bit discouraging to give Beal his most expensive contract in his career when his last season may have been the worst in recent memory (ie Bryce Harper).

While I would like to see Beal remain in a Wizards uniform, another part of me would like to see how he measures up in big games which may not happen here if he re-signs the supermax. Although the road to acquire a top pick towards the draft may be higher soon as teams like the Pistons and Magic could surpass the Wizards soon if their young players pan out.

[Tyrone Messby]

If Brad is here next season, I am done with this team for a few years, which is how long it will take for them to get out of the contract and have no choice but to rebuild. Rebuilding is what should be happening right now.

Likewise. This team is going NOWHERE with that beta leading the team. Brad seems like a nice guy, but he isn't a winner and like other haves mentioned previously, I believe he's completely fine with getting his money and shying away from the spotlight on a Wiz team that won't ever finish higher than a 6 or 7 seed. So depressing if we lock him up for another 5 years. This whole will he/won't he and that he's getting recruited a ton is so tiresome. He's perfectly fine being a big fish in a small pond. I'm not even sure Washington is a pond, more like an inflatable pool for the front yard. This organization is clueless and doesn't care about winning so why should I care about them?

[TGW]

Giving a player a massive contract after a down year is so Wizards.

[closg00]

Giving a player a massive contract after a down year is so Wizards.

...and coming off an injury

[lastemp3ror]

Even if you take away the down year and the injury, I don't think he is worth the max. His ceiling is being one of the best, second-best players on a team.