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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#281 » by nate33 » Sun Apr 3, 2022 9:15 pm

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payitforward wrote:Back to Jones for a moment -- my only problem is that I think your description of him also implies that WE should not be interested in him. We are a hot mess. How does a 26-year old 6' PG help rebuild the Washington Wizards?

I envision a 3-year deal at the full MLE, while simultaneously drafting a PG of the future. Jones would start at first while our rookie PG learns the ropes. If all goes well, at some point in the next two years, our draft pick takes over the starting role and Jones moves to the bench or becomes a trade asset.

Even on a rebuilding team, every player doesn't have to be a rookie contract project. It's okay to have a couple of youngish veterans to set an example. Particularly if the vets aren't all that expensive relative to their production.

All that said, if Sato can play like he has so far, maybe he could be our veteran PG to mentor a young PG draft pick. Perhaps Sato on a 2-year, $8M contract is better option than Tyus Jones for 3 years $32M.

All fair points. I guess the problem is that I see the Wizards targeting Tyus Jones as another in a series of moves to *avoid* rebuilding. I.e. pursuing the idea that we can be a good team... right now. The idea being that we don't need to rebuild -- who knows how good we could be?

Only one problem. We won 30-something games in 2018-19, we won 30-something games in 2019-20. We won the equivalent of 30-something games in a shortened 2020-21, & we'll win 30-something games this year.

The high point of this sequence of seasons was to be effortlessly kicked to the side of the road by the Sixers last year. You know what? I'd rather BE the Sixers.

& I would have thought that the disappointments of this season -- finally! -- would convince the opponents of rebuilding that we're running determinedly down a road that goes nowhere. But, instead, the same cast of characters who thought John Wall was one of the best players in the league & would take us to the promised land, who thought it was a terrific idea to trade what turned out to be a lottery pick for Markieff Morris, who were in favor of trading a pick that could have brought us Jarrett Allen in return for a couple of dozen games by Bojan Bogdanovic, who were all over signing Davis Bertans long term for a ton of $$ instead of trading him for a R1 pick, who thought trading a #22 pick for Aaron Holiday was just the right thing to do, etc. etc. etc. ... that same cast of characters is convinced instead that Brad Beal will come back a star, Kristaps Porzingis will continue to do for us what he's never done in 6 NBA seasons, & have in mind a sequence of other invented notions (about Kyle Kuzma being a good player, Rui having become just terrific, etc...) of which they feel convinced....

Don't get me wrong -- I like Tyus Jones; he's a good player. Got nothing to do with Tyus Jones. &, if Sato can play like this, of course we should sign him for a couple of years.

In fact, I could be completely incorrect! What do I know?

Still, I'm pretty sure that the result of traveling the road we're on, one year from now, will be that we repeat this same debate after another 30-something win season. I'm sure we both hope I'm wrong.

Yeah, I agree with your larger point about the need for a true rebuild rather than this never-ending "reload on the fly" that keeps us in perpetual 35-win purgatory. I think the Bradley Beal discussion is where this philosophy matters the most. It's Beal that should be moved so we can commit to a proper rebuild. I don't view Tyus Jones as being all that relevant to the "rebuild or reload" debate. Generally speaking, it's always good to sign youngish players to market friendly contracts.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#282 » by dckingsfan » Sun Apr 3, 2022 9:23 pm

payitforward wrote:...I guess the problem is that I see the Wizards targeting Tyus Jones as another in a series of moves to *avoid* rebuilding...

And there you have it... if we sign Beal we are saying we aren't rebuilding. You sign Beal and then why not Jones...

You will have some that think we are just a player away. Others that think we should do a soft rebuild.

I am of the mind that we need to do a hard rebuild. Even that is problematic without the assets we need, so it could be a lengthy process.

Anyway, I am thinking I am in the minority.

This thread should have a poll. Hard rebuild, soft rebuild, one player away, two players away... something like that.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#283 » by payitforward » Sun Apr 3, 2022 9:48 pm

I love doc's long post. I'm not feeling grumpy at all. I love the way Porzingis is playing! Who wouldn't? & as to the guys who aren't playing well, sure, maybe we can explain it away & all of a sudden they'll bloom -- & won't PIF have to eat his words then, huh!?!?

Deni has definitely improved; he's developed a lot.

If Rui can continue to shoot the 3 the way he has this season (he's at .471 -- amazing!), then some continued natural development of other skills might just make him a really good player.

No secret that I've always really liked Thomas Bryant -- if we sign him on the cheap, & he really does get past that ACL injury, he could be a core player for us.

As to Kispert, I would not be one bit surprised to see him come back even better than what he's shown.

Gafford is already terrific -- & who knows we may have enough big man depth that he doesn't need to play more than 20 minutes.

& of course Porzingis was seen as a phenom when he came into the league! If he's become that guy in the last several weeks, then all he has to do is stay healthy & maybe we don't even need that additional "star."

Plus, if doc's right about Kuzma, then maybe we would trade him for a R1 pick, & if that pick turns into a good player, so much the better!

Not to mention the lottery pick we've got coming in a few months.

Not to mention that we'll have Dallas' R2 pick -- hey a pick like that one got Kenyan Martin Jr. It can happen for us too.

Then there's Beal: think about it, if Brad can have a season when he's not as good as he had been previously, why can't he come back & be even better than he had been previously?

Similar point about KCP -- he hasn't had his usual season overall, it's true, but he's been playing terrific as of late. Who's to say he doesn't continue on that path next season?

It would be wrong not to mention Anthony Gill -- in the minutes he's gotten this guy has been one of our best players. Could he keep up that level of production while playing more minutes? We don't know -- but it wouldn't be a big surprise, would it?

For sure, Sato has been a revelation in his return -- definitely someone to be optimistic about. Nor am I giving up on Cassius Winston -- not a starter, ok, but he can be a useful bench player.

& that's just what we know about, right? Look at the opportunistic positives that Tommy has come up that we would never have envisioned. The Gafford trade. Picking up Mathews for nothing. Bertans for a tpe. There'll be something out of the blue -- count on it.

& I haven't even mentioned Caleb Homesley. Ok that one's a joke....
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#284 » by doclinkin » Sun Apr 3, 2022 10:45 pm

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payitforward wrote:...I guess the problem is that I see the Wizards targeting Tyus Jones as another in a series of moves to *avoid* rebuilding...

And there you have it... if we sign Beal we are saying we aren't rebuilding. You sign Beal and then why not Jones...

You will have some that think we are just a player away. Others that think we should do a soft rebuild.

I am of the mind that we need to do a hard rebuild. Even that is problematic without the assets we need, so it could be a lengthy process.

Anyway, I am thinking I am in the minority.

This thread should have a poll. Hard rebuild, soft rebuild, one player away, two players away... something like that.


I don't think you're in the minority, I just think people understand that while Ted is in charge and stubbornly immune to common sense, we have to make the best with what we've got. The rest is just centimeters up or down the sliding bar of whether 'what we've got' is salvageable, and if so how.

Even adding random draft picks is no a clear path to contention. To win in this league you need an MVP candidate and a couple beta stars. Odds are against that player existing at all. You can add dozens of round 2 picks and late firsts to see if you can seine a nugget of golden Jokic/Giannis/Kawhi from the pebbles and silt. You still have to fill out the rest of the roster. And develop them.

Adding 3-5 rookies a year sounds like a fun exercise, but young players need time to grow. No matter how many Miles McBrides and Joe Weiskamps you add in a trade down, you still have to give them live ball reps and ideally teach them winning basketball. Only the prodigal hypertalents come into the league and instantly find a comfort zone. Look at last year's championship star. Giannis in his first few years played SF, SG, PG, SF again, then finally settled at PF when the team figured out how to simply work around his unmatchable skillset.

Too: What team has built a championship roster with year after year of tanking? Until the 6ers win the whole thing I'd say none. You can't simply replicate The Process and expect to come out golden. If you look back through years of champions, you won't see teams winning the Larry O'Brien trophy leaning heavily on a roster full of players they drafted. It is usually one MVP then mix and match vets with one or two homegrown draftee roleplayers somewhere down the roster. And then you still have to hope the Generational player on another team is having a down year.

We just saw a talented Warriors team look hapless when playing without the best pure shooter ever. If you can't draft that guy, if you can't draw a disgruntled all-star, then you are going to have a roster with a bunch of guys that are decent, or talented but flawed. Any team in the league is 'one player away' if that player is prime LeBron.

Bradley Beal is nobody's MVP, aside from Ted. Ted has made it clear he wants to keep him. As such Tommy has to ink him, then when inevitably it doesn't work, let Brad choose another team to be traded to, at a discount on what we could have gotten for him if we had traded him in the past. That is just reality.

Meanwhile who else do you play on the roster?

Tommy doesn't draft the guys I would like, but in general I can learn to like them once they are on my squad. Kispert wasn't my choice, but hey he has been exactly what you would reasonably hope from that player, plus better defense than expected. Rui, frankly, was an upside gamble, with worse stats than his teammate St Brandon Clarke. But Clarke can't get 20 minutes a game and his jumpshooting %'s have gotten WORSE every year -- vs -- Rui whose shooting efficiency has risen every year. We are at the point where Clarke is shooting 22% from outside, where Rui is hitting 47% from 3.

I don't think anybody thinks we have a single All-star on the roster. I get the feeling Brad may never again make the squad. Okay If Porzingis played like this for a full season and stayed healthy then he'd probably make the roster in the East. Who is his competition on this coast? Bam Adebayo. Evan Mobley and Jarret Allen. Clint Capela. Miles Turner. Niko Vucevic. He's got a chance to be selected against that crew. But unless you have that all-star coming up, you are going to have to play a few guys that have flaws or high floor/low ceiling dudes. This roster qualifies for all of that. I think people are just finding hopeful signs in that the players ARE developing. They are young and improving. That's a good thing.

Honestly I can't really bitch about the job Tommy has been doing. He does something spicy and unexpected every year so far. He is never complacent if he thinks he can get something done to get better. Ted has put ankle weights on him and told him to run a marathon. A boat anchor even. But Tommy doesn't get discouraged, it seems. I can fuss about the choices he makes in the moment, but so far he has earned the benefit of the doubt from me. Leastways I am curious to see where this all is going. You know?
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#285 » by doclinkin » Sun Apr 3, 2022 11:01 pm

Hope of course is probably just a coping mechanism given that I'm unlikely to switch fandom to another team. So. As Wiz fans all we have as a mantra is "you never know!" Still, with Tommy in charge, really, you do never know. That is one happy happy madman.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#286 » by payitforward » Mon Apr 4, 2022 2:56 am

doclinkin wrote:...Rui, frankly, was an upside gamble, with worse stats than his teammate St Brandon Clarke. But Clarke can't get 20 minutes a game and his jumpshooting %'s have gotten WORSE every year -- vs -- Rui whose shooting efficiency has risen every year. We are at the point where Clarke is shooting 22% from outside, where Rui is hitting 47% from 3....

I wouldn't bother with this, except it is likely to mislead people in the extreme! Brandon Clarke is having one of the best seasons of any player in the league.

Let's compare him & his buddy Rui, why don't we?

You make it sound like Rui is being featured, while Clarke is somehow having trouble getting on the floor. But, in fact, Rui is playing exactly 1.7 minutes more per game than Clarke.

You make it sound like Rui is scoring really well, while Brandon Clarke can't get a bucket. But, in fact, Clarke scores more than Rui -- more points per 40 minutes not fewer points! Ok, in fairness it's only 1/2 a point more! :) But, still.

You make it sound like Rui is a far more efficient scorer than Clarke. But, in fact the opposite is true. Rui is posting an very nicely improved & good TS% at .595. Nothing to complain about there. Only... Brandon Clarke's TS% is .655 -- a whole whole lot better!

Obviously, Clarke is the better scorer -- not much question about that! But, of course there's more to the game than scoring, right?

Per 36 minutes, Rui is grabbing 5.2 defensive rebounds. Brandon Clarke is grabbing 6.1 -- better.

Of course, defensive rebounds aren't the only kind. What about offensive boards? Well... per 36 minutes Rui does get one of those -- yes, he gets 1. Brandon Clarke does just a wee bit better. He gets 4.

Overall, that's 10.1 by Clarke as against 6.2 for Rui. That's in addition to scoring more points than Rui at a much higher eFG% than Rui.

Then again, scoring & rebounding are not all of the game. There's more to being better than another player than simply scoring more points, scoring those points more efficiently, & controlling possessions with your rebounding. Although... those things are quite important, aren't they?

For example, what about assists? Clarke gets 32% more assists per 36 minutes than Rui.

But what about stocks? Clarke gets slightly more steals than Rui, & he blocks five times as many shots as Rui. Wait... can that really be? Let me double check....

Yes, that is right. More points, at a far higher overall scoring %, 4 times as many offensive rebounds, over 17% more defensive boards, 32% more assists, 5 times as many blocks, slightly more steals.

Did I mention that Rui turns the ball over 40% more than Clarke? I don't think so. It's a fact. But, you know what? Nobody's perfect. Per 36 minutes, Brandon Clarke commits 1.4 more fouls than Rui Hachimura.

So there you are. But, of course someone will mention Rui's extraordinary 3-pt. shooting. So let me break down that scoring comparison:

Every 36 minutes, Rui takes 14.4 shots which produce 16.59 points. Every 36 minutes, Clarke takes 12.8 shots which produce 16.49 points.

Thus, by taking 1.6 more FGAs than Clarke, Rui produces .1 more points. Read that carefully before you announce that Rui's high 3 pt. % makes him a better shooter or scorer than Clarke.

Rui also goes to the line 2.5 times, which adds 1.8 points, while Clarke gets to the line 3.9 times, which adds 2.5 points, which is why he scores more points than Rui despite Rui's rather higher usage.

It's all right here: https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=hachiru01&p1yrfrom=2022&player_id2=clarkbr01&p2yrfrom=2022

I know a lot of you like the mystery meat stats -- so feel free to compare Clarke's VORP, which is 1.8, to Rui's, which is .2. Or their PER (Clarke=23.6, Rui=15.6). Or their WS/48 (Clarke=.242, Rui=.087) & so forth.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#287 » by Ruzious » Mon Apr 4, 2022 12:22 pm

nate33 wrote:
payitforward wrote:
nate33 wrote:I envision a 3-year deal at the full MLE, while simultaneously drafting a PG of the future. Jones would start at first while our rookie PG learns the ropes. If all goes well, at some point in the next two years, our draft pick takes over the starting role and Jones moves to the bench or becomes a trade asset.

Even on a rebuilding team, every player doesn't have to be a rookie contract project. It's okay to have a couple of youngish veterans to set an example. Particularly if the vets aren't all that expensive relative to their production.

All that said, if Sato can play like he has so far, maybe he could be our veteran PG to mentor a young PG draft pick. Perhaps Sato on a 2-year, $8M contract is better option than Tyus Jones for 3 years $32M.

All fair points. I guess the problem is that I see the Wizards targeting Tyus Jones as another in a series of moves to *avoid* rebuilding. I.e. pursuing the idea that we can be a good team... right now. The idea being that we don't need to rebuild -- who knows how good we could be?

Only one problem. We won 30-something games in 2018-19, we won 30-something games in 2019-20. We won the equivalent of 30-something games in a shortened 2020-21, & we'll win 30-something games this year.

The high point of this sequence of seasons was to be effortlessly kicked to the side of the road by the Sixers last year. You know what? I'd rather BE the Sixers.

& I would have thought that the disappointments of this season -- finally! -- would convince the opponents of rebuilding that we're running determinedly down a road that goes nowhere. But, instead, the same cast of characters who thought John Wall was one of the best players in the league & would take us to the promised land, who thought it was a terrific idea to trade what turned out to be a lottery pick for Markieff Morris, who were in favor of trading a pick that could have brought us Jarrett Allen in return for a couple of dozen games by Bojan Bogdanovic, who were all over signing Davis Bertans long term for a ton of $$ instead of trading him for a R1 pick, who thought trading a #22 pick for Aaron Holiday was just the right thing to do, etc. etc. etc. ... that same cast of characters is convinced instead that Brad Beal will come back a star, Kristaps Porzingis will continue to do for us what he's never done in 6 NBA seasons, & have in mind a sequence of other invented notions (about Kyle Kuzma being a good player, Rui having become just terrific, etc...) of which they feel convinced....

Don't get me wrong -- I like Tyus Jones; he's a good player. Got nothing to do with Tyus Jones. &, if Sato can play like this, of course we should sign him for a couple of years.

In fact, I could be completely incorrect! What do I know?

Still, I'm pretty sure that the result of traveling the road we're on, one year from now, will be that we repeat this same debate after another 30-something win season. I'm sure we both hope I'm wrong.

Yeah, I agree with your larger point about the need for a true rebuild rather than this never-ending "reload on the fly" that keeps us in perpetual 35-win purgatory. I think the Bradley Beal discussion is where this philosophy matters the most. It's Beal that should be moved so we can commit to a proper rebuild. I don't view Tyus Jones as being all that relevant to the "rebuild or reload" debate. Generally speaking, it's always good to sign youngish players to market friendly contracts.

Not to mention that Memphis being 20-2 without Ja this season might have something to do with the guy who's replaced him in the starting lineup in almost every one of those games. The average margin in those 22 games (including the losses) is 16.2 - that's freakish.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#288 » by nate33 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 12:54 pm

Ruzious wrote:Not to mention that Memphis being 20-2 without Ja this season might have something to do with the guy who's replaced him in the starting lineup in almost every one of those games. The average margin in those 22 games (including the losses) is 16.2 - that's freakish.

Interestingly, his numbers as a starter are not all that impressive. He he posted 12.5 points, 6.8 assists, and 3.4 rebounds in 30.3 minutes a game as a starter, with a TS% of .550. and a 3P% of .373.

Per 36, that's just 15 points, 8 assists and 4 rebounds per 36 on mundane shooting percentages. The one place where he is elite is turnovers, averaging just 1.12 per 36 minutes as a starter. I don't think I've ever seen a 7:1 A/TO ratio.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#289 » by Ruzious » Mon Apr 4, 2022 12:59 pm

nate33 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Not to mention that Memphis being 20-2 without Ja this season might have something to do with the guy who's replaced him in the starting lineup in almost every one of those games. The average margin in those 22 games (including the losses) is 16.2 - that's freakish.

Interestingly, his numbers as a starter are not all that impressive. He he posted 12.5 points, 6.8 assists, and 3.4 rebounds in 30.3 minutes a game as a starter, with a TS% of .550. and a 3P% of .373.

Per 36, that's just 15 points, 8 assists and 4 rebounds per 36 on mundane shooting percentages. The one place where he is elite is turnovers, averaging just 1.12 per 36 minutes as a starter. I don't think I've ever seen a 7:1 A/TO ratio.

And really, none of their starters - other than Morant - has overwhelmingly top numbers. Heck, they've been starting Zaire Williams in some of these games.
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Post#290 » by doclinkin » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:04 pm

payitforward wrote:
doclinkin wrote:...Rui, frankly, was an upside gamble, with worse stats than his teammate St Brandon Clarke. But Clarke can't get 20 minutes a game and his jumpshooting %'s have gotten WORSE every year -- vs -- Rui whose shooting efficiency has risen every year. We are at the point where Clarke is shooting 22% from outside, where Rui is hitting 47% from 3....

I wouldn't bother with this, except it is likely to mislead people in the extreme! Brandon Clarke is having one of the best seasons of any player in the league.


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I knew I could get the PIF hive buzzing if I threw just the right rock. Good ole Brandon Clarke ...
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Post#291 » by Ruzious » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:23 pm

doclinkin wrote:
payitforward wrote:
doclinkin wrote:...Rui, frankly, was an upside gamble, with worse stats than his teammate St Brandon Clarke. But Clarke can't get 20 minutes a game and his jumpshooting %'s have gotten WORSE every year -- vs -- Rui whose shooting efficiency has risen every year. We are at the point where Clarke is shooting 22% from outside, where Rui is hitting 47% from 3....

I wouldn't bother with this, except it is likely to mislead people in the extreme! Brandon Clarke is having one of the best seasons of any player in the league.


:clown:

I knew I could get the PIF hive buzzing if I threw just the right rock. Good ole Brandon Clarke ...

He could be the most effective player that plays under 20 minutes a game, but the fact that he plays less than Ziaire Williams says a lot.
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Post#292 » by doclinkin » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:24 pm

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payitforward wrote:I wouldn't bother with this, except it is likely to mislead people in the extreme! Brandon Clarke is having one of the best seasons of any player in the league.


:clown:

I knew I could get the PIF hive buzzing if I threw just the right rock. Good ole Brandon Clarke ...

He could be the best player that plays under 20 minutes a game, but the fact that he plays less than Ziaire Williams says a lot.



Funny thing is Brandon Clarke is exactly the player I would be looking for to play next to an inverted center/high post center/outside-in big man, like Porzingis. Clarke is a SF sized guy who plays as a Center should. A crash forward whose job is to clean up other people's messes and otherwise keep out the way: weakside shotblocker, outside defender, offensive rebounder who can snatch long rebounds, can rebound in space better than if he were blocking people out jammed under the basket with the big Bigs.

The fact that his jumpshooting has somehow gotten worse over time is just baffling. Where Rui's trend in the other direction is a good sign. It means hey, maybe someday he reaches his full potential. Justifies the draft pick and then some. While admitting he hasn't done it yet. Shrug.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#293 » by nate33 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:21 pm

doclinkin wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
:clown:

I knew I could get the PIF hive buzzing if I threw just the right rock. Good ole Brandon Clarke ...

He could be the best player that plays under 20 minutes a game, but the fact that he plays less than Ziaire Williams says a lot.



Funny thing is Brandon Clarke is exactly the player I would be looking for to play next to an inverted center/high post center/outside-in big man, like Porzingis. Clarke is a SF sized guy who plays as a Center should. A crash forward whose job is to clean up other people's messes and otherwise keep out the way: weakside shotblocker, outside defender, offensive rebounder who can snatch long rebounds, can rebound in space better than if he were blocking people out jammed under the basket with the big Bigs.

The fact that his jumpshooting has somehow gotten worse over time is just baffling. Where Rui's trend in the other direction is a good sign. It means hey, maybe someday he reaches his full potential. Justifies the draft pick and then some. While admitting he hasn't done it yet. Shrug.

The problem with Clarke is that you can double off of him because he is not an outside threat. If Clarke shared the floor with Porzingis, his defender would shade to the paint to provide help on the pick and roll.

Clarke is an exceptional defender and offensive rebounder, so I'm not saying the bad outweighs the good. I'm just saying that there are advantages to having Rui out there that don't show up in his box score stats.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#294 » by NatP4 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:50 pm

Clarke is one of the best players in the NBA. Rui is not a good player and does not help his team win. I don’t see any comparison at all. It was still a huge mistake to pick Rui over Clarke.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#295 » by NatP4 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:55 pm

nate33 wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
Ruzious wrote:He could be the best player that plays under 20 minutes a game, but the fact that he plays less than Ziaire Williams says a lot.



Funny thing is Brandon Clarke is exactly the player I would be looking for to play next to an inverted center/high post center/outside-in big man, like Porzingis. Clarke is a SF sized guy who plays as a Center should. A crash forward whose job is to clean up other people's messes and otherwise keep out the way: weakside shotblocker, outside defender, offensive rebounder who can snatch long rebounds, can rebound in space better than if he were blocking people out jammed under the basket with the big Bigs.

The fact that his jumpshooting has somehow gotten worse over time is just baffling. Where Rui's trend in the other direction is a good sign. It means hey, maybe someday he reaches his full potential. Justifies the draft pick and then some. While admitting he hasn't done it yet. Shrug.

The problem with Clarke is that you can double off of him because he is not an outside threat. If Clarke shared the floor with Porzingis, his defender would shade to the paint to provide help on the pick and roll.

Clarke is an exceptional defender and offensive rebounder, so I'm not saying the bad outweighs the good. I'm just saying that there are advantages to having Rui out there that don't show up in his box score stats.


I don’t understand this at all. Clarke is literally just an undersized C. He’s still a dominant player. Sure, you have to play another big next to him that can shoot 3s, just like literally any other C in the NBA.

The problem with Rui is that he’s an awful defender, not only individually, but as a team/help defender. He offers literally no paint defense or rim protection or rebounding. He’s essentially a wing player that has no off the dribble skills and no ability to slide his feet and guard the perimeter. He literally does nothing well but make 3s right now. All the advanced on/off numbers say he’s horrible.

And Rui is already 24 years old. How depressing is that? Brandon Clarke is just 1 year older.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#296 » by Frichuela » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:12 pm

Actually, Clark and Porzinga would mesh quite well…
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#297 » by FAH1223 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:16 pm

NatP4 wrote:Clarke is one of the best players in the NBA. Rui is not a good player and does not help his team win. I don’t see any comparison at all. It was still a huge mistake to pick Rui over Clarke.


Not for Ted's Triple Bottom Line and the creation of Wizards social media accounts in Japanese.

I wonder what happens to those accounts if Rui gets traded.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#298 » by nate33 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:35 pm

NatP4 wrote:I don’t understand this at all. Clarke is literally just an undersized C. He’s still a dominant player. Sure, you have to play another big next to him that can shoot 3s, just like literally any other C in the NBA.

Clarke can't score on centers or guard them. Therefore, he is a forward not a center.

Yes, it helps to play him alongside a stretch 5, but then you are forcing that stretch 5 to play almost exclusively on the perimeter. Porzingis is actually a better post player than a shooter, so you would be asking Porzingis not to do the things he does best for the sake of Brandon Clarke.

I agree that Clarke is a much better defender than Rui. And I even said that his superior defense and rebounding may outweigh the problems causes by his poor shooting. I'm just saying that Clarke presents problems for the offensive system that Rui does not.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#299 » by NatP4 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:09 pm

Clarke is averaging 19 points per36 on a 65% TS.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#300 » by nate33 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:21 pm

NatP4 wrote:Clarke is averaging 19 points per36 on a 65% TS.

They both score 25 points per 100 possessions. Clarke is more efficient but he also occupies space around the rim, which makes it easier for his defender to play help defense on other Memphis players. It's notable that Clarke, despite the insane efficiency, only helps his offense by 0.9 points per 100 possessions when he is on the floor, which is basically the same number that Rui helps the Wizards' offense (0.8 points).

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