Wizards vs. Bucks, 1/27/08

[miller31time]

Especially now that Boston is proving that they are quite beatable. Anything less than a sweep of Toronto would be disappointing considering how poorly we have played in the last 3 games.

Anything more than 1 win against the Raptors would be surprising, IMHO.

[GilArenas88]

Until this team learns not to double down and help Brendan, who doesn't need any, and until they learn that we have to guard the three this team is in for a lot of heartbreak...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

WTF is wrong with you guys. Haywood had the ball in the post with about 4 seconds on the clock, he took the exact same shot he made last quarter. What else was he supposed to do? The shot missed, but it wasn't a bad play.

nate, I think this bears repeating.

Stop blaming Haywood for that shot.

The game was lost by the Gs who couldn't cover Ivey or Mo Williams. Mainly, Antonio Daniels since at least Stevenson made some clutch threes.

EJ coached terribly early by putting in whack substitutions early in the second which Milwaukee exploited for the lead. EJ made this a very difficult game sticking with Darius through 5 fouls in some very bad minutes.

At the end, that isolation for Butler that resulted in a 24-second violation and then Haywood getting stripped 2 feet from the basket off of what could have been a dunk or tap in hurt the most. Those two plays were very costly.

The guards got destroyed by Williams and Ivey, and that was it.

I say EJ and AD and Darius were all really bad today.

[newslowsad]

later guys, time to watch the wire

[tkunit]

disappointing loss to say this least. We have played really bad last couple games and are missing out on the easy wins we need. Mean while Orlando wins today and pulls farther ahead.

[miller31time]

Was Stevenson the one who guarded Ivey for most of the game? Because if so, he loses the notion of being a top-10 perimeter defender.

[nate33]

nate, I think this bears repeating.

Stop blaming Haywood for that shot.

The game was lost by the Gs who couldn't cover Ivey or Mo Williams. Mainly, Antonio Daniels since at least Stevenson made some clutch threes.

EJ coached terribly early by putting in whack substitutions early in the second which Milwaukee exploited for the lead. EJ made this a very difficult game sticking with Darius through 5 fouls in some very bad minutes.

At the end, that isolation for Butler that resulted in a 24-second violation and then Haywood getting stripped 2 feet from the basket off of what could have been a dunk or tap in hurt the most. Those two plays were very costly.

The guards got destroyed by Williams and Ivey, and that was it.

I say EJ and AD and Darius were all really bad today.

Thank you CCJ. The frontcourt wasn't the problem today. It was the backcourt. And for all the people saying that Bogut abused Haywood today here are the stats for the 35 minutes that Haywood and Bogut were on the court together:

Bogut: PTS:14 RB:13 AST:4 STL:0 BLK:0 TO:2 FG:6/15 FT:2/2
Wood: PTS:11 RB:9 AST:2 STL:0 BLK:2 TO:3 FG:4/9 FT:3/4

Pretty even. Bogut did a little better on the boards, but Haywood blocked more shots. Bogut went 6 for 15 from the floor.

[gil2good]

So, who's going to start the "Are the Bucks Better w/o Redd?" thread on the Bucks' board?

[kblack]

Until this team learns not to double down and help Brendan, who doesn't need any, and until they learn that we have to guard the three this team is in for a lot of heartbreak...

You know, this always baffles me! Somebody has to tell these guys to stay home when brendon is in there!

[dandridge 10]

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They always do this, it's been that way for the last 5 years or so. They see the opposing team's star player is out, so they just half-ass everything b/c they're just gonna win. They are not that team. It's a mediocre team playing a bad Bucks team, and we lost. That's **** pathetic.

Ruffin has 1/10th the talent a Butler or Jamison has, but he scored 6 points, he worked his ass off, and he kept this team alive.

A big middle finger goes out to the Wizards today, all of them. Pansies.

Bingo. The Wizards never show up against teams that our short-handed. I don't know why they continue to think they can just turn it on at the end and get a win. The majority of times they lose these types of games and they deserved every loss. I would much rather watch the Wizards lose to the Boston's and Dallas' of the NBA instead of the Bucks.

There were really four keys to the loss tonight. First, our backcourt was simply pathetic. This was the first game that I can remember that I was actually nervous seeing AD handle the ball. He was a turnover machine. Except for the last minute of the game, DS was horrible as well.

The other three keys were attributable to Eddie Jordan. 1. I have no idea in this world why E.J. played Sangalia so many minutes when Blatche was playing one of his best games. What did Blatche do in the first game to warrant no time in the second half? I mean, how many frickin' blocks did he have? 2. there is no way we should have been doubling Bogut when we were up by four in OT. If anything, E.J. should have been telling the players not to give up any threes. 3. can we please find a frickin' coach who can draw up a play at the end of the game instead of just doing an Iso at the top of the key?

[Tiny Too]

A horrible, horrible loss. If they play like this again, they will be swept by Toronto.

There is so much to comment on, but I wish to focus on 2 horrendous coaching moves:

1) Why all the PT for Songaila at center, especially in the 2nd half...especially after Blatche played so decently in the 1st half?? Note: Blatche didn't play in the entire 2nd half!!!!!! Doesn't Jordan read this board?? Doesn't he know you can't play Songaila at the 5 with Jamison and Butler at the forwards...there is no length and protection of the rim. It's possibly OK to play Songaila at the 4, if his shot is on, and if you either have Haywood or Blatche in with him. Songaila is slow and can't jump. I'd almost rather have Etan in for him at the 5, and I can't stand Etan's defense , either. Just horrendous coaching decisions. I wonder what Songaila's +/- was for the game??

2) Where was Nick Young in the 2nd half?? At least he can score. This was a night when AD and DeBrick were terrible offensively. And what about our lock down defender, DeBrick, and his stellar job on Mo Williams in the OT. I am convinced that Mason is a better on the ball defender than Stevenson. Why can't Jordan design an inbounds defense to prevent the ball going to anyone but Williams?? I'd take my chances with fouling anyone else on their team. I don't care that DS hit two long threes in the last 2 minutes of regulation. He was amazingly sucky all night, and common sense dictated that he not be in the end of the game at all. His air ball 3 pt. attempt in OT was evidence that he simply got lucky twice at the end of regulation. Bad coaching.

Blatche and Young have to be wondering why they get f***ed and our team gets shafted by such obviously stupid personnel moves by our HC. He is a real dumb putz. Other than that, I have no real opinion....

[dandridge 10]

Yeah Tiny. So far this year, I think E.J. has improved a lot as a coach. In fact, I haven't been critical of him one time this year. However, some of his old demons came back tonight. I hope we are not seeing a sign of small ball coming back and the sitting on the bench of certain players (e.g., Blatche) that are clearly making a difference in a game.

[paul]

Tough loss tonight guys, but a great game. Your guys have a ton of heart, and Caron Butler is an absolute stud - he'll be top 10 in the league within a year imo. OT I watched your coverage on league pass and your announcers were the most informed, up to date and non biased I've heard this season. Not sure what they're normally like, but they were good tonight.

[dandridge 10]

Tough loss tonight guys, but a great game. Your guys have a ton of heart, and Caron Butler is an absolute stud - he'll be top 10 in the league within a year imo. OT I watched your coverage on league pass and your announcers were the most informed, up to date and non biased I've heard this season. Not sure what they're normally like, but they were good tonight.

I have always loved Buck and Chenier. However, I think you saw them a little more "non-biased" tonight than they usually are. I mean there was a couple of plays where Buckhantz sounded upset that the Bucks did NOT get a call. That is rare from Buckhantz. He must have had too much Milwaukee's Best before the game.

[closg00]

Yeah Tiny. So far this year, I think E.J. has improved a lot as a coach. In fact, I haven't been critical of him one time this year. However, some of his old demons came back tonight. I hope we are not seeing a sign of small ball coming back and the sitting on the bench of certain players (e.g., Blatche) that are clearly making a difference in a game.

Dandridge & Tiny, you both summed-up tonights loss well. I don't care how much EJ has improved this year, this team is not coached well, and has lived and died by all-star performances the past few years.

[Tiny Too]

It is still most conspicuous that EG needs to further EJ-proof this team. EJ just can't help himself with undersized 5s who can't protect the rim. Meanwhile, we have size in AB and OP who rot on the bench. I don't care how skinny and weak they are...they have an instinct for help defense, can try to take charges, and block shots near the basket.

We must get rid of Etan and Darius. No kidding, I'd trade them for stone-hands Kwame any day. At least, KB tries on defense. If I couldn't get cash or a draft pick for them, either individually or collectively, I'd put their sorry asses on waivers.

Until these 2 are gone, EJ will cost us games.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It is still most conspicuous that EG needs to further EJ-proof this team. EJ just can't help himself with undersized 5s who can't protect the rim. Meanwhile, we have size in AB and OP who rot on the bench. I don't care how skinny and weak they are...they have an instinct for help defense, can try to take charges, and block shots near the basket.

We must get rid of Etan and Darius. No kidding, I'd trade them for stone-hands Kwame any day. At least, KB tries on defense. If I couldn't get cash or a draft pick for them, either individually or collectively, I'd put their sorry asses on waivers.

Until these 2 are gone, EJ will cost us games.

LAL wouldn't make the deal, unfortunately.

I think the Wizards need to look past this season and deal AD along with Etan and/or Darius just to EJ-proof the roster. I would include Daniels and a pick because other teams won't make the deal for ET or DS2, otherwise.

[clubbing_caveman]

We were not awake for most of the game. It seemed like we were settling for jump shots (more than the usual) for most of the game. Our FG% was pretty low. CB played hard the last few mins of the 4th quarter. He willed us into the game. DS, like everyone else, wasnt able to find his shot till the end of the 4th too. Player rotations were questionable. Should probably have put our starters on the bench when they were shooting poorly, and looked to our bench to bring some energy. This was a pretty bad loss. We should have done a lot better.

[closg00]

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LAL wouldn't make the deal, unfortunately.

I think the Wizards need to look past this season and deal AD along with Etan and/or Darius just to EJ-proof the roster. I would include Daniels and a pick because other teams won't make the deal for ET or DS2, otherwise.

Funny, all the talk about "EJ-proofing" the team, how about the ultimate EJ-proofing? Fire EJ!!

[blkout]

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Thank you CCJ. The frontcourt wasn't the problem today. It was the backcourt. And for all the people saying that Bogut abused Haywood today here are the stats for the 35 minutes that Haywood and Bogut were on the court together:

Bogut: PTS:14 RB:13 AST:4 STL:0 BLK:0 TO:2 FG:6/15 FT:2/2
Wood: PTS:11 RB:9 AST:2 STL:0 BLK:2 TO:3 FG:4/9 FT:3/4

Pretty even. Bogut did a little better on the boards, but Haywood blocked more shots. Bogut went 6 for 15 from the floor.

For one, it's 15 points per 35 for Bogut. 18/41*35 = 15.3. Secondly, +4 points, +4 rebounds, +2 assists is pretty close?