Official Countdown to Firing"NoLowPostOffense"Grunfeld

[Induveca]

IBTM

At the pathetic hope of a Wiz employee actually reading this I would suggest not burying it neatly in a 15 page thread no one opens any longer. I'm desperate here.........we all should be. If Butler or Jamison gets injured it could destroy next season before it even starts.

[fishercob]

IBTM.

Completely agree that minutes are being mismanaged.

Completely disagree that Grunfeld should be let go. I don't think that call can be made until a year from now. If he hasn't upgraded the roster and coaching staff -- and record -- by next year's deadline, then he blew his opportunity.

Practically speaking though (I know, a dangerous idea in these parts) Ernie isn't going anywhere. He has the trust and ear of the owner, who is in failing health and is in no shape to conduct a quick and thorough search for a replacement. Just hoping for the best this summer.

[Induveca]

IBTM.

Completely agree that minutes are being mismanaged.

Completely disagree that Grunfeld should be let go. I don't think that call can be made until a year from now. If he hasn't upgraded the roster and coaching staff -- and record -- by next year's deadline, then he blew his opportunity.

Practically speaking though (I know, a dangerous idea in these parts) Ernie isn't going anywhere. He has the trust and ear of the owner, who is in failing health and is in no shape to conduct a quick and thorough search for a replacement. Just hoping for the best this summer.

Fisher, it doesn't bother you that our GM is being so reckless with Jamison and Butler? And yes, it is Grunfeld. His interim coach is running these guys into the ground for no reason. The organization relies upon Grunfeld to position the team to win for the long term.

We all know this season is lost, and playing Jamison and Butler so much only hurts our chances of winning next year. Whether we're 15-67 at the end of the year, or 20-62 is completely irrelevant at this point. We have 17 games, makes zero difference if we win or lose. However it would be wise to play Young, McGee, Blatche and Crittenton as much as possible. Who knows maybe Crit gets a triple double, McGee gets 10 blocks, Blatche a 20/20.........that opens up so many possibilities for Grunfeld.

Grunfeld isn't seeing any of this...........and it's why he needs to go. The guy is distracted or just doesn't care.

[yungal07]

IBTM

At the pathetic hope of a Wiz employee actually reading this I would suggest not burying it neatly in a 15 page thread no one opens any longer. I'm desperate here.........we all should be. If Butler or Jamison gets injured it could destroy next season before it even starts.

I don't disagree with you, but I think it's silly to have Grunfeld fired. I don't think he planned to have Arenas and Haywood go down to season ending injuries.

Yes, it's stupid that Jamison and Butler play so many minutes, but I can't blame the veteran players for not wanting to be part of a team that sets some sort of record for losses in a season. It's embarrassing and players have egos that need massaging.

EG has good things and bad things about him. I think he's excellent when it comes to trades, but unfortunately he's too conservative to make them in an aggressive manner. I think he pretty good at drafting players -- not great, but pretty decent. I think he overpays for players and doesn't think rationally when it comes to the "big 3". His good outweighs the bad IMO. Like Fish said, keep him for another year. If we suck again, then we can move on.

[miller31time]

It's not EG's fault that Tapscott is a raging lunatic and egregious mis-manager of minutes. I'd safely bet that most, if not all of our assistant coaches who were in the running for interim head coach are the same way.

Tapscott is on his way out at the end of the season and it will be EG's pick of a head coach and decisions on how to reshape this roster that will determine his value or lack thereof to this team.

That's my $0.02 on the situation, at least.

[fishercob]

IBTM.

Completely agree that minutes are being mismanaged.

Completely disagree that Grunfeld should be let go. I don't think that call can be made until a year from now. If he hasn't upgraded the roster and coaching staff -- and record -- by next year's deadline, then he blew his opportunity.

Practically speaking though (I know, a dangerous idea in these parts) Ernie isn't going anywhere. He has the trust and ear of the owner, who is in failing health and is in no shape to conduct a quick and thorough search for a replacement. Just hoping for the best this summer.

Fisher, it doesn't bother you that our GM is being so reckless with Jamison and Butler? And yes, it is Grunfeld. His interim coach is running these guys into the ground for no reason. The organization relies upon Grunfeld to position the team to win for the long term.

We all know this season is lost, and playing Jamison and Butler so much only hurts our chances of winning next year. Whether we're 15-67 at the end of the year, or 20-62 is completely irrelevant at this point. We have 17 games, makes zero difference if we win or lose. However it would be wise to play Young, McGee, Blatche and Crittenton as much as possible. Who knows maybe Crit gets a triple double, McGee gets 10 blocks, Blatche a 20/20.........that opens up so many possibilities for Grunfeld.

Grunfeld isn't seeing any of this...........and it's why he needs to go. The guy is distracted or just doesn't care.

It bothers me. But every time an employee does something that bothers me, I would not fire them. I'd consider their overall contributions to the company, the transaction costs of the firing, the possible replacements, and the timing.

Grunfeld isn't perfect. But he's smart, and firing him now would be stupid.

[XsamhainX_999]

On a 15-50 team, once again last night Jamison and Butler played over 40 minutes. Two of our "stars" for next year are being run into the ground for no reason whatsoever with 17 games left in the season.

Our draft position is guaranteed, yet Grunfeld and Tapscott seem intent on getting one of these guys injured and threatening any possible success next season. I've lost faith in Grunfeld, either he's asleep at the wheel or he's going to get fired at the end of the season and knows it..........

I don't agree. It's been one bad year without Arenas & Haywood.

Tapscott will return to his previous position after this year. I think it's pretty obvious he's just filling in right now until EG hires his own coach during the offseason.

We've acheived more success under EG than I thought possible after watching this franchise for the past 15 years. I think this ship has been righted and is moving in the right direction.

Times may be dark right now, but personally, I think the dawn is fast approaching.

Our roster *should* (no jinxes) be healthy for the start of next season. I believe during the offseason EG will hire a defensive minded coach (Tom Thibs). We might even add a top pick to the mix.

I understand the frustration with the younger players playing time. I too would like to see them play more but seriously we have no idea what is happening off the court. It's possible that they are not working hard enough during practice, etc...

The point is, I think this team is going to surprise a lot of basketball fans and analysts next season with how good they will be because those people have already written them off. Be careful not to do the same thing.

[ZonkertheBrainless]

Ditto except I think EG is taking a hard look at Flip Saunders and making a tradeoff in his mind between bringing in a harda$$ no-nonsense defensive coach and a more player friendly one who can tolerate Arenas.

[WizarDynasty]

bump

[Donkey McDonkerton]

bump

for exactly what reason?

[WizarDynasty]

I guess i have to admit that even though arenas has a 6'10 winspan, which helps on when converting layups, it really doesn't solve his standing reach issue which is only 8'3. You need at least 8'7 to be effective shutting down sg's. Which is why Evan's 8'8 is decent for sg. Caron's Butler 8'7 reach is probably the reason why he gives up so many 3 pointers on the perimeter. His each is pretty poor for a small forward. Adding a player with a 9'2 reach would really upgrade out perimeter defense and give us at least a chance of being decent on the perimeter defensively since we were ranked dead last..last year. Arena' surely isn't going to improve our perimter D. Only a few players in this draft with that type of perimeter standing reach and agility to really make a difference.

[LyricalRico]

[TheSecretWeapon]

I bet this guy didn't give up any 3s.

[crackhed]

^ didnt he play with the stick too?

[Donkey McDonkerton]

Caron's Butler 8'7 reach is probably the reason why he gives up so many 3 pointers on the perimeter.

Let me get this straight. The Butler is the reason why caron gives up so many 3's? So your're telling me that the guy who works for Caron AT HIS HOUSE also plays a part in what caron does on the court? Im not buying it, even if dude has "bowleggedness" out of this world.

[WizBiz]

Is it possible to unbump?

[WizarDynasty]

This is the last thing, I promise,

The perfect compliment to Gil at the SF, would be Tayshon Prince, Lamar Odom or Turkoglue, someone who can play the SF position, not have to dominate the ball effective offensively and be able to play PG as a Point Forward for long stretches of time and shoot from the perimeter, this is what Tayshon is doing now that Iverson is in Detroit. The perfect compliment to Gil at the SG would probably be Brandon Roy and Joe Johnson(when he was in Phoenix and was a role player). Someone who can essentially play PG offensively, knock down perimeter shots from kick outs and be able to guard 2's on defense. The pool of players is microscopic compared to what you can surround a scoring wing with like Kobe or Lebron with. There are a bunch of 6'0-6'3 3 point shooting PG'S who are good athletes coming out of college every year, however there aren't many Brandon Roy's or Joe Johnson's.

Same can be said for Jamison. His perfect compliment at the 5 would be either Tim Duncan or Dwight Howard. Someone who can control the paint single handedly and allow Jamison to float to the perimeter. Not many of these guys exist, so its difficult to build a team without huge flaws whether it be offensively, defensively or both.

I think this is where evans comes into play. I would be really nice if we had capspace and could actually sign a trevor ariza, lamor odom, or turkoglue but that ain't the case. Having an above the rim post player who can hold his position in the paint and score during clutch would really make us a contender.

[Cramer]

I guess i have to admit that even though arenas has a 6'10 winspan, which helps on when converting layups, it really doesn't solve his standing reach issue which is only 8'3. You need at least 8'7 to be effective shutting down sg's. Which is why Evan's 8'8 is decent for sg. Caron's Butler 8'7 reach is probably the reason why he gives up so many 3 pointers on the perimeter. His each is pretty poor for a small forward. Adding a player with a 9'2 reach would really upgrade out perimeter defense and give us at least a chance of being decent on the perimeter defensively since we were ranked dead last..last year. Arena' surely isn't going to improve our perimter D. Only a few players in this draft with that type of perimeter standing reach and agility to really make a difference.

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Just see the comedy in it, like fish and doc do.

-miller

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wow, the fire Ernie thread is up the week BEFORE the draft. Man, tough crowd.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

Wow, the fire Ernie thread is up the week BEFORE the draft. Man, tough crowd.

tough spambot