ErikChowbay023 wrote:But you guys really need to take into account, a players real FG%... As in Michael Jordan shot over 50% while averaging over 30 plus points, many times in his career. And therefore his efficiency rating was so high..He always took what the D gave him.
But that's the thing - we don't really need to take raw fg% into account because it has effectively been replaced by TS% and eFG%. FG% has been outdated ever since the invention of the 3pt line in professional basketball. You bring up Jordan but, efficiency-wise, he wasn't that much better than Arenas (strictly speaking of putting the ball in the basket). Now, Jordan had aspects of his game that definitely made a much, much better player than Arenas. Namely, rebounding, court vision, defense, leadership, basketball I.Q, ball protection, etc. That's what makes him arguably the GOAT. But when it comes down to scoring efficiency, they're similar. Jordan was better because he was an absolutely lethal mid-range shooter and finisher and didn't attempt many threes which he was weaker at. But as I said....he's Michael Jordan. It sort of comes with the territory. Jordan isn't exactly the best barometer for Arenas.
Its like when is taking to many shots, and no hitting them start to hurt your team. With guys who shoot below the 48% to 50% mark and still average, 30 points..there is a problem there. You are more than likely killing your team.
I think you're expectations of efficient perimeter players are too high, as is your reliance on raw fg%.
Kobe is a volume scorer majority of the time/Arenas is also. But you dont want guys like that leading your team in my opinion.
Kobe just won a title as the primary option on Los Angeles. Trust me, he's not a good example. The guy is an incredible basketball player without many holes in his game. Even his shot-selection has improved vastly over the years. Having good teammates will do that to you.
LeBron is doing the same, similar to Jordan in terms of efficiency... LeBron takes a lot of bad threes, at certain points, but most of the time he always takes what the D gives him. He is not gonna force a shot to pad stats, or force a pass to get an assists he just does whatever it takes to win. He makes the right plays.
I'm definitely not arguing that Arenas' shot selection is better than Jordan or LeBron but just because he isn't as efficient a scorer as two of the all-time greats (they might go 1 and 2 in terms of all-time GOAT status) doesn't mean he isn't an efficient scorer. He is. Solid TS%, solid eFG%, high PER.
Gilbert is the classic example of why raw fg% is extremely misleading. He is a player who takes about 7 3pt attempts per game. That's an insane amount of 3's. But he hits them at a pretty respectable clip. It will bring his fg% down to a level that would make people think he's inefficient, but he's contributing the same efficiency as say a person who takes 0 threes and shoots 55% from the field. That's why we have TS% and eFG%.
There is also a correlation between missed threes and a higher chance of an offensive rebound.
Volume scorers are best coming off the bench. Because they need a lot of shots most of the time to get their points. Where as your first option and probably your second option need to be efficient players.
I agree. That's why players like Jamal Crawford come off the bench. Crawford, throughout his career, has been a woefully inefficient player who takes a crapload of shots. He's a volume scorer.
Gilbert isn't.
