Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

[hands11]

If the Wiz pick up Marshon Brooks I see little sense in bringing back Young unless it's for <4M per.

you do it so you get future value for him instead of nothing.

[hands11]

OK, I have time now. Uhm, I would do it. It's one thing if it was McGee plus the 6th for the #2. It's another if it was a straight up swap.

At #2, we get Williams obviously. At #6, we go with Kanter or Biyombo, and at #18, we could go any which way, maybe one of the Morris Twins, maybe Klay Thompson who knows. The team will be extremely young, probably the youngest in the league but we'd get rid of the knuckleheads for sure, and maybe Flip won't have as much gray hair.

Then you factor in a hard cap. Can we afford to re-sign McGee?

Plus, if we don't re-sing McGee, we'd have more cap room next year to add a major free agent.

We should take that chance.

[JonathanJoseph]

Beginning to think that most of the guys at the top of this draft class will be busts but I really see some potential players in Marshon Brooks and Chris Singleton.

Will keep watching prospect videos but it seems to me that what this class lacks in star power it makes up for in quality depth. No one is talking about trading down but that seems to be the smart play.

[closg00]

Guys, I've gotten a suggestion via PM that we do a draft contest. Essentially, it would go like this:

1. You name the draftee selected at our spots.
2. Points given for each answer that's correct. I'm thinking that because the variance of possible selections is greater the later you go, you get (as an example) 5 points for being correct at #6, 10 points for being correct on #18, and #15 points for being correct on #34.

ALTERNATIVE IS

1. You name your entire first round draft.
2. The points system is already set up logically. The higher you go, the easier it is. So you get #1 correct, 1 point. You get #2 correct, 2 points, etc.

Winner gets complete bragging rights for an entire year.

Any thoughts or interest in this?

Sounds like fun Pine, breakout a thread and people will participate.

[closg00]

Nice read on Williams as worthy of going #1 & Jenkins as the sleeper of the draft.

Hofstra's Charles Jenkins is the sleeper of this draft. The 6-3 senior is regarded as one of the country's best mid-major talents, and was the CAA's Player of the Year for two straight seasons, but few were aware of just how dominant of a scorer he really was. On numbers alone, he's more impressive than any other scoring guard who's in contention for the first round, because he offers the rare combination of high efficiency in both ISO and spot-up situations.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1OlnrPTId

[princeofpalace]

Tristan Thompson, would a good comparison be a slightly less athletic Josh Smith?

I think a bigger and smarter Tyrus Thomas is a better comparison

He measured in at all of one quarter inch taller and 10 lbs heavier in the DX measurements database - and Thomas is/was the better athlete of the 2.

So half an inch taller and 10 lbs heavier/bigger doesnt make you not bigger than someone else? Interesting.

And for the record, I think that the two are similiar level athletes, they are both pretty much as fast as eachother, Thompson is a little quicker and Tyrus can jump a little higher. I think their mentality is gonna be the biggest thing that seperates them but they are IMO very similiar prospects.

[sfam]

I would agree with this and go so far as to include Blatche in the untouchable group.

The reality is this is draft time, and history shows that many of these players won't pan out and are being way overvalued right now. A year from now, I think a Javale McGee for Derrick Williams trade would be considered laughable, much less McGee plus a high 1st round pick.

I'm actually quite high on Derrick Williams and think he'll be a pretty good NBA player, but I'm not sure he's a multiple time all-star which is what he'd have to be to justify the trades being thrown around here. I'm s till pretty surprised that Derrick Williams isn't being selected ahead of Irving.

Did McGee make the All-Star team when I wasn't looking? 'Cause I thought he was still in the "potential to be good" category.

[Ruzious]

Guys, I've gotten a suggestion via PM that we do a draft contest. Essentially, it would go like this:

1. You name the draftee selected at our spots.
2. Points given for each answer that's correct. I'm thinking that because the variance of possible selections is greater the later you go, you get (as an example) 5 points for being correct at #6, 10 points for being correct on #18, and #15 points for being correct on #34.

ALTERNATIVE IS

1. You name your entire first round draft.
2. The points system is already set up logically. The higher you go, the easier it is. So you get #1 correct, 1 point. You get #2 correct, 2 points, etc.

Winner gets complete bragging rights for an entire year.

Any thoughts or interest in this?

Sounds like fun Pine, breakout a thread and people will participate.

Sounds good to me. I like the Alternative - and maybe you could give extra points for the Wiz picks.

[tontoz]

So a team that won 23 games has 3 untouchable players?

[Rafael122]

So a team that won 23 games has 3 untouchable players?

We only have 1, everyone else can be had for the right deal IMO.

[sfam]

McGee and Wall are untouchable. I would probably put blatche into that category as well. Wizards have plenty of assets to move up four spots in the draft. i will give a top 6 lotto protection pick next year before i would consider adding McGee.
McGee and Wall are the wizard's identity. you don't mess with that. Both are two way players at the hardest positions to fill. D.Williams is a scorer and the wizards have historically been a poor perimeter defensive team.
I like Derrick Williams but McGee and Wall are untouchable. Dominant offensive perimeter players with below average defensive skills are alot easier to find in free agency than two way bigs who have the ability to dominate offensively and defensively.

I would put Blatche in the "Ultra-shippable" category. Sort of like the opposite of untouchable. And really, there's only one untouchable player on the Wizards. Anyone saying different is just hoping.

Edit: Btw, of than Dennis Rodman , I'm having a hard time coming up with a key player on a championship team who was also a teenage drama queen. Blatche is not up to Rodman's talent level.

[verbal8]

Guys, I've gotten a suggestion via PM that we do a draft contest. Essentially, it would go like this:

1. You name the draftee selected at our spots.
2. Points given for each answer that's correct. I'm thinking that because the variance of possible selections is greater the later you go, you get (as an example) 5 points for being correct at #6, 10 points for being correct on #18, and #15 points for being correct on #34.

ALTERNATIVE IS

1. You name your entire first round draft.
2. The points system is already set up logically. The higher you go, the easier it is. So you get #1 correct, 1 point. You get #2 correct, 2 points, etc.

Winner gets complete bragging rights for an entire year.

Any thoughts or interest in this?

Sounds like fun Pine, breakout a thread and people will participate.

Sounds good to me. I like the Alternative - and maybe you could give extra points for the Wiz picks.

Maybe a 30 point bonus on the Wizard picks. I think the system works pretty well for the first round. I think the second round needs to be weighed less, otherwise one lucky pick at the end of the second could beat getting the entire top 10 right. Maybe all 2nds could all be same(somewhere between 2 and 5 points with lower Wizards bonus).

[pancakes3]

i think everyone is touchable. you want to give me durant for wall right now? i'd have to think long and hard for a reason not to pull the trigger.

the point is, giving up McGee for Williams doesn't sit well with me. Even DWill is the next Antawn Jamison waiting to happen, losing McGee will cripple our already mediocre front line. Defensively, we would be a joke. Goaltending, not boxing out, and missed assignments aside, McGee WAS a deterrent. guys definitely thought twice before driving bc they saw big daddy wookie lurking down there. His length, size, and athletic ability at the C spot being replaced by adding a marginally talented 3/4 when we already have a glut of forwards would be... foolhardy.

i posted a while back (possibly 2 draft threads ago) that Williams is not going to be "all that". the stud forwards are easy to pick out. the 'melos and durants of the league were pulling down 20/10's as true freshmen. Dwill is averaging a 20/8 as a sophomore which makes him closer to caron butler - even Jamison was able to snag 10 boards a game in college.

as for mcgee's status right now? i believe he has enormous potential to become a top 5 C next season - though given the relative ability of C's in the league it's not as prestigious an honor as it was 15 years ago. i firmly believe he'll be able to notch a noah-esque 12/12 with higher efficiency and marginally passable defense. to give up all that for the sake of a journeyman sf/pf is foolhardy in my book.

[Wizardspride]

McGee and Wall are untouchable. I would probably put blatche into that category as well. Wizards have plenty of assets to move up four spots in the draft. i will give a top 6 lotto protection pick next year before i would consider adding McGee.
McGee and Wall are the wizard's identity. you don't mess with that. Both are two way players at the hardest positions to fill. D.Williams is a scorer and the wizards have historically been a poor perimeter defensive team.
I like Derrick Williams but McGee and Wall are untouchable. Dominant offensive perimeter players with below average defensive skills are alot easier to find in free agency than two way bigs who have the ability to dominate offensively and defensively.

I would put Blatche in the "Ultra-shippable" category. Sort of like the opposite of untouchable. And really, there's only one untouchable player on the Wizards. Anyone saying different is just hoping.

Edit: Btw, of than Dennis Rodman , I'm having a hard time coming up with a key player on a championship team who was also a teenage drama queen. Blatche is not up to Rodman's talent level.

Blatche smokes Rodman in terms of talent.

I think you would have been better off saying that "Blatche hasn't demonstrated Rodman's work ethic so far".

[gesa2]

To say Rodman wasn't talented is to not know basketball. His ability to rebound and defend far outstrips Blatche's ability to handle and pass.

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

Blatche smokes Rodman in terms of talent.

I think you would have been better off saying that "Blatche hasn't demonstrated Rodman's work ethic so far".

You did look at more than PPG... riiight?

Are multiple DPOY, multiple rebounding titles, a half dozen NBA 1st team all-defense, and multiple all star games not indicative of a high talent level?

Can't believe how high we rate some of our own players. If our players had HALF the talent we suppose they have, maybe we would have won... oh I don't know... at least 30 games??

Blatche will be lucky to ever make a single all star game.

[WizarDynasty]

McGee showed alot more strength to man the center position towards the end of the season and actually improved his post offense ten fold. Wall showed ten time more basketball iq toward the end of the season. Wall and Crawford push their bigs to reach their potential. I am not worried about our starters, i am worried about getting a 3 and defense small forward and post scoring and consistent defensive rebounding off the bench for the 18 minutes that both mcgee and blatche aren't in the game.
I want a small forward who can become our best perimeter defender and also knock down wide open shots that wall creates almost everytime he beats his man into the paint forcing the defense to collapse.

[RT31]

So a team that won 23 games has 3 untouchable players?

[jholmbe1]

So a team that won 23 games has 3 untouchable players?

Exactly. You're telling me the fat guy with a terrible work ethic who is sponsoring lap dances in South Beach is untouchable? Maybe only to other teams, I'm sure the Wiz would love to move him.

[verbal8]

So a team that won 23 games has 3 untouchable players?

Exactly. You're telling me the fat guy with a terrible work ethic who is sponsoring lap dances in South Beach is untouchable? Maybe only to other teams, I'm sure the Wiz would love to move him.

Maybe Blatche works for the FBI?