Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5

[verbal8]

Melo and Bosh? You mean move Melo back to SF?

Doesn't Bosh play a lot of Center these days?

[LyricalRico]

Melo and Bosh? You mean move Melo back to SF?

Doesn't Bosh play a lot of Center these days?

Yeah but that was pre-Whiteside. Unless Whiteside has some sort of epic regression next season, he's gotta be the starter at C, and Bosh moves back to PF.

[verbal8]

Melo and Bosh? You mean move Melo back to SF?

Doesn't Bosh play a lot of Center these days?

Yeah but that was pre-Whiteside. Unless Whiteside has some sort of epic regression next season, he's gotta be the starter at C, and Bosh moves back to PF.

They probably could start with that line-up and basically keep 2 of the 3 in the whole game to man the 4/5.

[fishercob]

I definitely think the Knicks should trade Melo. Melo to Miami for Winslow and filler makes a ton of sense for both teams.

Hmmm. I guess since they have traded away their pick next year, it makes sense to keep Melo for one more year like Rico said.

I don't think WInslow and filler is enough.

I do think Winslow, Whiteside and filler is enough and that it makes sense.

The Heat don't have Whiteside's Bird Rights and cannot reasonably expect to have cap space to sign him next summer. If they do end up with said cap space, they'll have gutted their roster. The Knicks, on the other hand, can/have the space to keep Whiteside. Porzingis, Whiteside, and Winslow is a nice rebuilding start.

I think Miami with Bosh, Melo, Wade, Dragic and good role players (especially if they could manage to keep Deng as opposed to using him as cap ballast) could win the East.

[nate33]

I definitely think the Knicks should trade Melo. Melo to Miami for Winslow and filler makes a ton of sense for both teams.

Hmmm. I guess since they have traded away their pick next year, it makes sense to keep Melo for one more year like Rico said.

I don't think WInslow and filler is enough.

I do think Winslow, Whiteside and filler is enough and that it makes sense.

The Heat don't have Whiteside's Bird Rights and cannot reasonably expect to have cap space to sign him next summer. If they do end up with said cap space, they'll have gutted their roster. The Knicks, on the other hand, can/have the space to keep Whiteside. Porzingis, Whiteside, and Winslow is a nice rebuilding start.

I think Miami with Bosh, Melo, Wade, Dragic and good role players (especially if they could manage to keep Deng as opposed to using him as cap ballast) could win the East.

If I'm Miami, I'm holding firm on Deng + filler + Winslow for Melo. I really don't think New York can do better. I've seen threads about this on the Trade Board. Nobody really wants Melo given his age, gargantuan contract, and his ball-stopping tendencies.

Maybe there's a team out there with a few decent, young, soon-to-be-overpaid players coming off their rookie contracts. Orlando perhaps?

[mhd]

I definitely think the Knicks should trade Melo. Melo to Miami for Winslow and filler makes a ton of sense for both teams.

Hmmm. I guess since they have traded away their pick next year, it makes sense to keep Melo for one more year like Rico said.

I don't think WInslow and filler is enough.

I do think Winslow, Whiteside and filler is enough and that it makes sense.

The Heat don't have Whiteside's Bird Rights and cannot reasonably expect to have cap space to sign him next summer. If they do end up with said cap space, they'll have gutted their roster. The Knicks, on the other hand, can/have the space to keep Whiteside. Porzingis, Whiteside, and Winslow is a nice rebuilding start.

I think Miami with Bosh, Melo, Wade, Dragic and good role players (especially if they could manage to keep Deng as opposed to using him as cap ballast) could win the East.

If I'm Miami, I'm holding firm on Deng + filler + Winslow for Melo. I really don't think New York can do better. I've seen threads about this on the Trade Board. Nobody really wants Melo given his age, gargantuan contract, and his ball-stopping tendencies.

Maybe there's a team out there with a few decent, young, soon-to-be-overpaid players coming off their rookie contracts. Orlando perhaps?

I think the Hornets have a shot (especially with the MJ connection). They having the expirings (Marvin Williams & Al Jefferson), and could offer: Marvin Williams, Al Jefferson, Kaminsky, PJ Hairston, and a 2016 1st for Melo. Knicks get a perfect Triangle Big in Frank, serviceable expirings, and a 1st rounder to replace their own lost 2016 1st. Hornets could roll with:

PG: Walker/Roberts
SG: Batum/MKG/Lamb
SF: Melo/Batum/MKG/Lamb
PF: Zeller/Melo
C: Hawes/Biyombo

I'd try and sign an MLE level big (like Ed Davis), but that would be a pretty solid team.

[LyricalRico]

Plus, doesn't the Arenas rule allow teams to keep guys in Whiteside's scenario? They can still sign him to a longterm max deal, just the first year will be less? Assuming that's the case, no need for Miami to rush to include Whiteside in a Melo deal just to avoid losing him for nothing later.

[nate33]

I don't think WInslow and filler is enough.

I do think Winslow, Whiteside and filler is enough and that it makes sense.

The Heat don't have Whiteside's Bird Rights and cannot reasonably expect to have cap space to sign him next summer. If they do end up with said cap space, they'll have gutted their roster. The Knicks, on the other hand, can/have the space to keep Whiteside. Porzingis, Whiteside, and Winslow is a nice rebuilding start.

I think Miami with Bosh, Melo, Wade, Dragic and good role players (especially if they could manage to keep Deng as opposed to using him as cap ballast) could win the East.

If I'm Miami, I'm holding firm on Deng + filler + Winslow for Melo. I really don't think New York can do better. I've seen threads about this on the Trade Board. Nobody really wants Melo given his age, gargantuan contract, and his ball-stopping tendencies.

Maybe there's a team out there with a few decent, young, soon-to-be-overpaid players coming off their rookie contracts. Orlando perhaps?

I think the Hornets have a shot (especially with the MJ connection). They having the expirings (Marvin Williams & Al Jefferson), and could offer: Marvin Williams, Al Jefferson, Kaminsky, PJ Hairston, and a 2016 1st for Melo. Knicks get a perfect Triangle Big in Frank, serviceable expirings, and a 1st rounder to replace their own lost 2016 1st. Hornets could roll with:

PG: Walker/Roberts
SG: Batum/MKG/Lamb
SF: Melo/Batum/MKG/Lamb
PF: Zeller/Melo
C: Hawes/Biyombo

I'd try and sign an MLE level big (like Ed Davis), but that would be a pretty solid team.

My gut reaction is that this is a bad idea for Charlotte because if they're going to make a "win now" trade, they shouldn't give up Jefferson. But then I realize that New York needs some win now pieces back because they don't have their pick next year.

New York is really in a weird situation.

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[LyricalRico]

Philly may think they are outsmarting everyone with intentional losing and duplicate picks, but eventually they will have to re-sign these guys. Who will want to stay in a losing situation? Or else they will have to continue to trade guys after a couple years like MCW so they don't lose them for nothing. And they'll never be good that way either. At some point, they will have to spend money and try to make the playoffs.

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Acc. to a thread on the GB, this was debunked as satire. Still funny, though.

[gambitx777]

Acc. to a thread on the GB, this was debunked as satire. Still funny, though.

That may have but but this aint lol.

He does not want to be there, he was supposed to be a laker..... I feel bad for the kid.

[montestewart]

Acc. to a thread on the GB, this was debunked as satire. Still funny, though.

That may have but but this aint lol.

He does not want to be there, he was supposed to be a laker..... I feel bad for the kid.

Different view

[gambitx777]

That looks a little better, but still does not look all that good.

[montestewart]

That looks a little better, but still does not look all that good.

The difference between throwing it on the floor and folding it onto the table (much like the guy to his left does) is pretty great. Additionally, he appears to be looking purposefully to his left and then walking in that direction. Maybe someone called him over for the next phase of whatever functions were being performed.

Sure, most players would prefer LA over the Sixers, but so far the evidence of his discontent seems pretty thin.

I remember when the Cavs got Daugherty, Price, Ron Harper, and Hot Rod Williams in a single year, then added Larry Nance (trade or FA), and were pretty quickly a serious team. I can't tell if the Sixers know when or how to go to the next phase, but a roster balancing move involving Noel or Embiid, a couple of FA signings, and they too could perhaps quickly become a serious team. They probably should make those moves soon.

[fishercob]

I definitely think the Knicks should trade Melo. Melo to Miami for Winslow and filler makes a ton of sense for both teams.

Hmmm. I guess since they have traded away their pick next year, it makes sense to keep Melo for one more year like Rico said.

I don't think WInslow and filler is enough.

I do think Winslow, Whiteside and filler is enough and that it makes sense.

The Heat don't have Whiteside's Bird Rights and cannot reasonably expect to have cap space to sign him next summer. If they do end up with said cap space, they'll have gutted their roster. The Knicks, on the other hand, can/have the space to keep Whiteside. Porzingis, Whiteside, and Winslow is a nice rebuilding start.

I think Miami with Bosh, Melo, Wade, Dragic and good role players (especially if they could manage to keep Deng as opposed to using him as cap ballast) could win the East.

If I'm Miami, I'm holding firm on Deng + filler + Winslow for Melo. I really don't think New York can do better. I've seen threads about this on the Trade Board. Nobody really wants Melo given his age, gargantuan contract, and his ball-stopping tendencies.

Maybe there's a team out there with a few decent, young, soon-to-be-overpaid players coming off their rookie contracts. Orlando perhaps?

New York doesn't have to trade him though. They should, but they don't have to.

It's tough though. It's tough to make the money work even with Deng -- without him it's near impossible.

But I think Deng is a pretty important piece to make that Miami crew a contender.

Dragic/Wade/Deng/Melo/Bosh is a great lineup. But they don't have enough cheap complementary pieces, I don't think.

[Induveca]

I doubt the Knicks trade Anthony, unless he asks for it (which is possible if they go 0-20 to start the season). For whatever it's worth, the fans love the guy in NY. He's their only star power, even if it's purely perceived star power at this point.

The kid I feel bad for is Porzingis, Frederic Weis is very much still alive in Knick lore (and more recently the awful Bargnani). He's going to be booed heavily. For as tough as he acted, no 19-20 year old is going to be able to take that for 41 home games.

[Ruzious]

I doubt the Knicks trade Anthony, unless he asks for it (which is possible if they go 0-20 to start the season). For whatever it's worth, the fans love the guy in NY. He's their only star power, even if it's purely perceived star power at this point.

The kid I feel bad for is Porzingis, Frederic Weis is very much still alive in Knick lore (and more recently the awful Bargnani). He's going to be booed heavily. For as tough as he acted, no 19-20 year old is going to be able to take that for 41 home games.

I think Knicks fans are a little smarter than that, but we shall see.

The perception about Nyawk is that the fans don't have the patience to go through a rebuild, but I think they've seen whatever it is that they've been doing isn't working, so a rebuild is the best way to go. Question is - Does Phil have the patience and health to go through a rebuild.

[Rafael122]

I doubt the Knicks trade Anthony, unless he asks for it (which is possible if they go 0-20 to start the season). For whatever it's worth, the fans love the guy in NY. He's their only star power, even if it's purely perceived star power at this point.

The kid I feel bad for is Porzingis, Frederic Weis is very much still alive in Knick lore (and more recently the awful Bargnani). He's going to be booed heavily. For as tough as he acted, no 19-20 year old is going to be able to take that for 41 home games.

I think Knicks fans are a little smarter than that, but we shall see.

The perception about Nyawk is that the fans don't have the patience to go through a rebuild, but I think they've seen whatever it is that they've been doing isn't working, so a rebuild is the best way to go. Question is - Does Phil have the patience and health to go through a rebuild.

If the rumors are true about signing Monroe to a max, and Afflalo to a 12 mil per year deal are true, then the answer is no. And truthfully, a lineup with a healthy Anthony, Monroe and Afflalo would be good enough to make the playoffs. They have like 4 point guards though, so I'm sure they could look into trading one for a center.