Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[Kilo]

Given Gortat's twitter defense of Markieff Morris hatchet job article - why not bring Kieff to Washington if Marcin thinks he's a good dude just needing veteran influence and a change of scenery?

[nate33]

Given Gortat's twitter defense of Markieff Morris hatchet job article - why not bring Kieff to Washington if Marcin thinks he's a good dude just needing veteran influence and a change of scenery?

Zach Lowe recently tweeted that other teams are actually looking for incentive just to take Markieff off of Phoenix' hands. His price couldn't be lower.

The issue with us taking him is that it would exhaust all of our surplus cap room this offseason. We'd have enough cap room for Durant, but nothing available for anybody else. It would be Wall + Beal + Oubre + Porter + Durant + Morris + Gortat + 2016 pick + minimum salary vets.

If Markieff was playing like the Markieff of two years ago, it would probably be worth it. But Markieff was pretty bad last year and has been flat out terrible this year. That $8M a year contract looks like a pretty big gamble now.

[Hidden Eye]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JohnWall/status/681027107384897536[/tweet]

Even though it is probably true this season, kinda amusing to see this topic addressed by Wall on twitter.

I like that the idea is being floated around in general. Anything to diminish the perception that Beal deserves a max contract.

If it can cheapen his contract, awesome.. More awesome if it lights a fire under Beal and he starts playing more Within himself and he starts being a net positive again on the floor. He needs to stop pounding the rock!

I just think, however logical trades like Jae Crowder plus avery for Beal sound.... Nothing like that is prolly gonna happen.

In the playoffs Wizards need Beal, Without him Wizards aren't going to make a push.

[LyricalRico]

If Markieff was playing like the Markieff of two years ago, it would probably be worth it. But Markieff was pretty bad last year and has been flat out terrible this year. That $8M a year contract looks like a pretty big gamble now.

Agreed. For the same money I'd rather have Taj Gibson. At least with him you know what you're going to get.

[nate33]

In the playoffs Wizards need Beal, Without him Wizards aren't going to make a push.

I agree that Beal is a more dynamic player than a guy like Garrett Temple. When teams really lock in on the scheme and it becomes a pure talent versus talent matchup, Beal will fare much better. But is that worth $20M a year? Can that money be better spent elsewhere?

[Hidden Eye]

In the playoffs Wizards need Beal, Without him Wizards aren't going to make a push.

I agree that Beal is a more dynamic player than a guy like Garrett Temple. When teams really lock in on the scheme and it becomes a pure talent versus talent matchup, Beal will fare much better. But is that worth $20M a year? Can that money be better spent elsewhere?

It is because he can really change the game and turn it up a notch when it matters. It's not like he doesn't like it here with teammates etc. I would because of his age, Wall elevated his game a few seasons ago and would be a bad decision when Wizards let Beal go when he is entering his prime. Money shouldn't be a concern because of the Cap and Free Agency, and Tomas Sat possibly coming over next year. Hard to say but right now I wouldn't bank on KD for next season and the Wiz can still make moves to be in a better position without him.

[Hidden Eye]

In the playoffs Wizards need Beal, Without him Wizards aren't going to make a push.

I agree that Beal is a more dynamic player than a guy like Garrett Temple. When teams really lock in on the scheme and it becomes a pure talent versus talent matchup, Beal will fare much better. But is that worth $20M a year? Can that money be better spent elsewhere?

It is because he can really change the game and turn it up a notch when it matters. It's not like he doesn't like it here with teammates etc. I would because of his age, Wall elevated his game a few seasons ago and would be a bad decision when Wizards let Beal go when he is entering his prime. Money shouldn't be a concern because of the Cap, Free Agency, and Tomas Sat possibly coming over next year. Hard to say but right now I wouldn't bank on KD for next season and the Wiz can still make moves to be in a better position without him.

[nuposse04]

With Alec Burks goin out for a while for Utah, i wonder if they would entertain a trade built around a Neal for Jeff Withey swap...

[Ruzious]

Wiz Griz trade idea:

Beal and Blair for Brandan Wright, Jordan Adams, 1st Round Pick

I think you mentioned before the idea of trading Beal for Oladipo a while back. I prefer that trade - especially with Ola having another year before he's eligible for free agency - so he doesn't have the big cap hold that Beal will this offseason. Ola's having a tough time in Orlando, and I do think Wall could help him. Wall and Ola would be a great defensive combo. Ola just needs to work on that catch and shoot 3. I think a change of scenery could really help him.

[JohnWall2]

Bledsoe,Tucker, Goodwin, Kieff and Cleveland 1st for Wall and Nene.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jckw7et

What say you Washington?

We say "Hell No".

You never trade quality for quantity, and you never trade away a superstar in his prime. There is no chance the Wizards do this.

Yeah I know bro just a Suns fan hoping for a miracle and landing his favorite player lol.

[LyricalRico]

Wiz Griz trade idea:

Beal and Blair for Brandan Wright, Jordan Adams, 1st Round Pick

I think you mentioned before the idea of trading Beal for Oladipo a while back. I prefer that trade - especially with Ola having another year before he's eligible for free agency - so he doesn't have the big cap hold that Beal will this offseason. Ola's having a tough time in Orlando, and I do think Wall could help him. Wall and Ola would be a great defensive combo. Ola just needs to work on that catch and shoot 3. I think a change of scenery could really help him.

I wonder if Orlando is looking to spend max money, although I guess with the new cap everyone will have to add a good chunk of salary. Plus they already have Fournier in the backcourt, and just added Hezonja who is a shooter.

Not that I'd be against adding Oladipo, I'm just not seeing us as direct trading partners. Maybe a 3-way?

[Ruzious]

Wiz Griz trade idea:

Beal and Blair for Brandan Wright, Jordan Adams, 1st Round Pick

I think you mentioned before the idea of trading Beal for Oladipo a while back. I prefer that trade - especially with Ola having another year before he's eligible for free agency - so he doesn't have the big cap hold that Beal will this offseason. Ola's having a tough time in Orlando, and I do think Wall could help him. Wall and Ola would be a great defensive combo. Ola just needs to work on that catch and shoot 3. I think a change of scenery could really help him.

I wonder if Orlando is looking to spend max money, although I guess with the new cap everyone will have to add a good chunk of salary. Plus they already have Fournier in the backcourt, and just added Hezonja who is a shooter.

Not that I'd be against adding Oladipo, I'm just not seeing us as direct trading partners. Maybe a 3-way?

I think Orlando desperately needs a "STAR", and people seem to think Beal can be that. In the meantime, Ola's regressing in Orlando and hasn't fit into what they were hoping for. Also, they NEED a jump-shooter at the 2 with Elfrid at the point. Teams don't even cover Elf sometimes - which is probably part of Ola's problem.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wiz Griz trade idea:

Beal and Blair for Brandan Wright, Jordan Adams, 1st Round Pick

I think you mentioned before the idea of trading Beal for Oladipo a while back. I prefer that trade - especially with Ola having another year before he's eligible for free agency - so he doesn't have the big cap hold that Beal will this offseason. Ola's having a tough time in Orlando, and I do think Wall could help him. Wall and Ola would be a great defensive combo. Ola just needs to work on that catch and shoot 3. I think a change of scenery could really help him.

I like that better as well.

However, Orlando is 17-13 to the Wizards 14-14. I doubt the Magic would be interested. Evan Fournier and Mario Hezonja are both shooters.

[Ruzious]

Wiz Griz trade idea:

Beal and Blair for Brandan Wright, Jordan Adams, 1st Round Pick

I think you mentioned before the idea of trading Beal for Oladipo a while back. I prefer that trade - especially with Ola having another year before he's eligible for free agency - so he doesn't have the big cap hold that Beal will this offseason. Ola's having a tough time in Orlando, and I do think Wall could help him. Wall and Ola would be a great defensive combo. Ola just needs to work on that catch and shoot 3. I think a change of scenery could really help him.

I like that better as well.

However, Orlando is 17-13 to the Wizards 14-14. I doubt the Magic would be interested. Evan Fournier and Mario Hezonja are both shooters.

Good point - I forgot about them. I like Hezonja. Fournier's done well, but he seems awfully slow to me. Still, I don't think Orlando is going to stay above .500. Maybe towards the trade deadline this trade will make more sense.

[J-Ves]

Nene + Beal for Mark. Morris + Len + Teletovic

Why for Wiz
- Avoid overpaying Beal or letting him walk for nothing this off-season. Wiz still have max money to offer in FA.
-Len is a solid backup center who is young and could still develop into something more. He is currently healthy unlike Nene.
-Morris is a huge gamble, but this guy is young and talented and would/could fill a huge hole at PF
-Teletovic is mainly in for salary reasons, but is having a great year and could contribute at PF for the rest of the year. He is an expiring

Why for Suns
-They get rid of the cancer that is Kieff Morris. With him gone they can begin the rebuild process.
-Beal lessons the hurt of losing Len

[LyricalRico]

Nene + Beal for Mark. Morris + Len + Teletovic

I wouldn't do Beal for Morris, but the addition of Nene for Len+Teletovic makes it more interesting. The problem is that Len's nearly $4.9M salary for next year could mean we don't have max money for KD. The cap would have to go up slightly higher than expected to make it work.

[J-Ves]

Nene + Beal for Mark. Morris + Len + Teletovic

I wouldn't do Beal for Morris, but the addition of Nene for Len+Teletovic makes it more interesting. The problem is that Len's nearly $4.9M salary for next year could mean we don't have max money for KD. The cap would have to go up slightly higher than expected to make it work.

That's why I added beal. With his 14 million cap hold off the books the Wiz can add salary now and still have enough money to sign a max free agent.


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[LyricalRico]

Nene + Beal for Mark. Morris + Len + Teletovic

I wouldn't do Beal for Morris, but the addition of Nene for Len+Teletovic makes it more interesting. The problem is that Len's nearly $4.9M salary for next year could mean we don't have max money for KD. The cap would have to go up slightly higher than expected to make it work.

That's why I added beal. With his 14 million cap hold off the books the Wiz can add salary now and still have enough money to sign a max free agent.


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Ah, you're right. All of my KD calculations always include Beal so I forgot to take that out.

So a better way to look at it is Beal for Morris+Len, and then we swap the expirings of Nene/Teletovic to make the numbers work. And then in 2016 Morris+Len would take the place of Beal's cap hold, meaning we could sign KD and then still have breathing room to add someone else.

Interesting...very interesting.

[thricethefun]

I don't see Beal being traded this season mainly because he is one of our two biggest pieces to help attract KD. If Beal starts balling towards the end of the season and helps us get into the playoffs and be competitive in the playoffs then it would go a long way towards KD wanting to come here. But trading Beal now for pennies to the dollar wouldn't be in line with our strategy for the last 2 seasons of biding our time until the summer of 2016. The only scenario I see us trading Beal before next summer is if Boogie becomes available then all bets are off because Wall and Boogie is arguably a more attractive core than Wall and Beal for KD.

[Dark Faze]

at this point i'm just hoping we make a nice selection in the draft and can persuade KD over--i'm not expecting any massive changes in season