Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Nah, do wax on (and off ... Just don't forget to breathe.)

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[Ed Wood]

Watching the replay of the Miami vs. San Antonio game from Friday evening I would like to make the following observations:

1. Both of these two teams have, over the off-season, lost the best player in the history of the franchise (assessing Wade v. LeBron or Shaq in terms of their total value to the Heat; you could certainly make a case for David Robinson).
2. The two teams have had a combined one top ten draft pick in the last half decade.
3. Both of these teams will be significantly better than the Wizards this year.

[Tricky_Kid]

Watching the replay of the Miami vs. San Antonio game from Friday evening I would like to make the following observations:

1. Both of these two teams have, over the off-season, lost the best player in the history of the franchise (assessing Wade v. LeBron or Shaq in terms of their total value to the Heat; you could certainly make a case for David Robinson).
2. The two teams have had a combined one top ten draft pick in the last half decade.
3. Both of these teams will be significantly better than the Wizards this year.

Nah I think Miami ends below us

Nah, do wax on (and off ... Just don't forget to breathe.)

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[payitforward]

Watching the replay of the Miami vs. San Antonio game from Friday evening I would like to make the following observations:

1. Both of these two teams have, over the off-season, lost the best player in the history of the franchise (assessing Wade v. LeBron or Shaq in terms of their total value to the Heat; you could certainly make a case for David Robinson).
2. The two teams have had a combined one top ten draft pick in the last half decade.
3. Both of these teams will be significantly better than the Wizards this year.

Nah I think Miami ends below us

Some sure thing bets cross these electronic pages. We'll be below Miami, and there might well be a team between us and them.

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Bucks send MC-W to the Bulls for the forgettable Tony Snell.

[montestewart]

Bucks send MC-W to the Bulls for the forgettable Tony Snell.

Buy low, Snell high

[Ed Wood]

I cannot even imagine how many standard deviations Fred Hoiberg is better at three point shooting than the team he coaches.

[Ruzious]

Bucks send MC-W to the Bulls for the forgettable Tony Snell.

The Bucks really messed up in acquiring MCW, and this trade does nothing but remind Bucks fans of that screw-up. Bucks fans are overall okay with this trade. I would not have made this trade for the Bucks. Snell is a talented defender, but he's just not productive enough - and last year, his efficiency was bad even on bad production. I'm doubtful the Bulls even wanted him on their roster.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I cannot even imagine how many standard deviations Fred Hoiberg is better at three point shooting than the team he coaches.

I get that they only gave up Snell, so whatever, but Rondo, Wade and MCW seems like an awesome group of combustible (Rondo) or just plain injury-prone (all of them). McBuckets isn't really a very good NBA player, so I have to assume that the idea is to make Mirotic and Butler their spot up shooters? Will they ever get the ball? Looks highly entertaining to me, provided your version of entertainment doesn't involve watching the Bulls win lots of games (mine doesn't).

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Bucks send MC-W to the Bulls for the forgettable Tony Snell.

The Bucks really messed up in acquiring MCW, and this trade does nothing but remind Bucks fans of that screw-up. Bucks fans are overall okay with this trade. I would not have made this trade for the Bucks. Snell is a talented defender, but he's just not productive enough - and last year, his efficiency was bad even on bad production. I'm doubtful the Bulls even wanted him on their roster.

Agreed. Snell is not a good player at all. OTOH, neither is MC-W. Not sure why Bulls made the trade either, however, based on the players -- maybe there's some other factor at work here?

[Ruzious]

Bucks send MC-W to the Bulls for the forgettable Tony Snell.

The Bucks really messed up in acquiring MCW, and this trade does nothing but remind Bucks fans of that screw-up. Bucks fans are overall okay with this trade. I would not have made this trade for the Bucks. Snell is a talented defender, but he's just not productive enough - and last year, his efficiency was bad even on bad production. I'm doubtful the Bulls even wanted him on their roster.

Agreed. Snell is not a good player at all. OTOH, neither is MC-W. Not sure why Bulls made the trade either, however, based on the players -- maybe there's some other factor at work here?

Bucks wanted a wing shooter to help make up for loss of Middleton for the year. Then again, now they're short at PG.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Bucks wanted a wing shooter to help make up for loss of Middleton for the year. Then again, now they're short at PG.

I think MCW was going to be the backup PG anyway. Dellavedova has his flaws, but he was clearly going to start; he's a much better defender than MCW who doesn't gamble all the time, he's a much better shooter, and a reasonable floor general who doesn't gamble with the ball nearly so much. It makes the Tyler Ennis trade seem a little odd, but if they had made up their mind to run Giannis at PG some, too, like they did last season, then Giannis and Dellavedova are clearly enough for normal minutes at PG and they're just looking for a 3rd stringer. I expect they're going to be very disappointed in Snell, but they're already very disappointed in MCW, so I suppose there's that.

For the Bulls, to me this looks like a pure value trade. Doesn't help them but in theory MCW should have more trade value for a future swap, provided some other team eventually wants an oft-injured PG who can't shoot and who gambles like crazy on both ends of the floor at some unforeseen point in the future. I also think this suggests that, despite their words, they probably aren't nearly as impressed with Jerian Grant as they had hoped they would be when they made the Rose trade.

[Ruzious]

Bucks wanted a wing shooter to help make up for loss of Middleton for the year. Then again, now they're short at PG.

I think MCW was going to be the backup PG anyway. Dellavedova has his flaws, but he was clearly going to start; he's a much better defender than MCW who doesn't gamble all the time, he's a much better shooter, and a reasonable floor general who doesn't gamble with the ball nearly so much. It makes the Tyler Ennis trade seem a little odd, but if they had made up their mind to run Giannis at PG some, too, like they did last season, then Giannis and Dellavedova are clearly enough for normal minutes at PG and they're just looking for a 3rd stringer. I expect they're going to be very disappointed in Snell, but they're already very disappointed in MCW, so I suppose there's that.

For the Bulls, to me this looks like a pure value trade. Doesn't help them but in theory MCW should have more trade value for a future swap, provided some other team eventually wants an oft-injured PG who can't shoot and who gambles like crazy on both ends of the floor at some unforeseen point in the future. I also think this suggests that, despite their words, they probably aren't nearly as impressed with Jerian Grant as they had hoped they would be when they made the Rose trade.

Obviously MCW wasn't going to start. Problem is - Giannis isn't a PG in every way. You can't have him bringing the ball up every time. It'd be too easy to pick his pocket - he'd be a turnover machine. When he's playing, they need another ball-handler in there. So they do need another guard who is capable of playing the point. Brogdon can help, but he's a rookie shooting guard with issues of his own. That's why I was hoping they'd pick Valentine rather than Maker. The Bucks aren't going anywhere this season, so maybe it doesn't matter, but if you put out a team that can't get the ball up court, the fans will not be real happy. And Bucks fans will likely not be real happy this season.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I agree Giannis isn't a PG, but that didn't stop them from doing it last season and I doubt that stops them from doing it this season. The Bucks made the playoffs on the strength of depth and flexibility a couple seasons ago but have been trying to reconfigure their top end talent to get farther than that and failing miserably at it the past couple offseasons. And really, for so long as Delly can stay healthy, they don't have a huge hole at PG. I expect they're also banking on Jason Terry being able to handle minutes. I'm not a big believer that they're making a good vet there - teams often tend to overestimate what those vets who's career is basically over can give them - but they've got players who can fill the spot.

As an aside, the Bucks remind me a LOT of the Brand, Odom, Maggette, QRich, etc. Clippers teams that everyone kept waiting on to come through with their young talent only to never have any of the guys come through quite to the level anyone hoped. I still expect Giannis and Parker to have good careers, but if they have comparable careers to Brand and Odom (not the same players, but collectively on a similar level of play) then I think they'll have done well for themselves - they could be more, just as Brand and Odom could have been more, but I'm not sure I see a superstar in either of them. The additions of MCW and Monroe didn't make any sense at the time they happened. I know they like Maker, but it's really too bad Poeltl didn't fall to them in the draft as I think he'd be a great fit for them. I also do like the Dellavedova signing, but they really need another such signing or two, and Middleton to stay healthy if they want to push into the playoffs.

[tontoz]

Yi released by Lakers, at his request lol.

[Ruzious]

I agree Giannis isn't a PG, but that didn't stop them from doing it last season and I doubt that stops them from doing it this season. The Bucks made the playoffs on the strength of depth and flexibility a couple seasons ago but have been trying to reconfigure their top end talent to get farther than that and failing miserably at it the past couple offseasons. And really, for so long as Delly can stay healthy, they don't have a huge hole at PG. I expect they're also banking on Jason Terry being able to handle minutes. I'm not a big believer that they're making a good vet there - teams often tend to overestimate what those vets who's career is basically over can give them - but they've got players who can fill the spot.

As an aside, the Bucks remind me a LOT of the Brand, Odom, Maggette, QRich, etc. Clippers teams that everyone kept waiting on to come through with their young talent only to never have any of the guys come through quite to the level anyone hoped. I still expect Giannis and Parker to have good careers, but if they have comparable careers to Brand and Odom (not the same players, but collectively on a similar level of play) then I think they'll have done well for themselves - they could be more, just as Brand and Odom could have been more, but I'm not sure I see a superstar in either of them. The additions of MCW and Monroe didn't make any sense at the time they happened. I know they like Maker, but it's really too bad Poeltl didn't fall to them in the draft as I think he'd be a great fit for them. I also do like the Dellavedova signing, but they really need another such signing or two, and Middleton to stay healthy if they want to push into the playoffs.

I doubt they do any better than last season's 33-49 record. If you count Giannis as a guard, they're forwards are gawd awful defensively. At center, they're paying 3 guys starter's money, and all have major deficiencies. And they're not good at the guard spots. It's just not a good team. They need MIddleton and another quality wing player.

[Ruzious]

Celtics cut RJ Hunter - who they picked in the first round just 2 drafts ago. When they picked Rozier and Hunter in the first round and Jordan Mickey in the 2nd, I thought Mickey was the best prospect of the 3. Still do.

[pcbothwel]

Celtics cut RJ Hunter - who they picked in the first round just 2 drafts ago. When they picked Rozier and Hunter in the first round and Jordan Mickey in the 2nd, I thought Mickey was the best prospect of the 3. Still do.

I think Hunter is a better version of Eddie, so he intrigues me.

Other cuts of note:

Rockets cut PJ Hairston, forward Le’Bryan Nash and guard Gary Payton II. All three are interesting.
Thunder cut McGary, but I never liked that he was old for his draft class and seems to have issues (See suspensions for drug test).
Bulls cut Thomas Walkup

[Induveca]

Archie Goodwin also cut

[AFM]

Will thomas Robinson finally find a team?

One of the biggest low key busts in recent history