Political Roundtable Part XIX

[stilldropin20]

this one is interesting. deserves its own post.

Men in america are failing. big time. between increases in : suicide rates, behind on child support, bankruptcies, doing poorly in school, men in america are failing.

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John Bolton..a neocon's dream.

Must be another Miller find, they are truly assembling the worst of the worst.

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Yeah-right. Gowdy, who had the unenviable task of putting together that grasping at straws Nunes Memo. Republicans have not choice but to keep this fake narrative going in the event that Trump and Kushner get ratted-on by others in Mueller's vise grip.

[Wizardspride]

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[stilldropin20]

My personal feelings that this is actually a positive effect. Madman theory combine with super chaos theory

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/politics/donald-trump-chaos-theory/index.html


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[cammac]

Right now Trump has lost his 3 strongest allies in the world Canada, Australia & UK plus the EU, Korea & Japan. A tariff that was designed to hurt China who is dumping steel unfairly hurt other nations much more. He may be using it a tactic in NAFTA but really won't work in that Canada knows it will create chaos in the automotive sector. In the short term it may hurt Canada but in longer term more automotive business will locate in Canada to avoid the tariff. Parts & automobiles are exempt from the tariff. NAFTA negotiations have been erratic because of the outlandish requests by the American negotiating team. Neither Canada nor Mexico as sovereign nations will never accept them. It also shows the world that America isn't trustworthy in international negotiations.

Trump is going to Canada for the G7 luckily it is far away from any major populations but you can rest assured he will never be invited to Ottawa.

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The plot thickens, please let Erik Prince go down for perjury

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The plot thickens, please let Erik Prince go down for perjury

The plot thickens even more lol

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[gtn130]

While this Russia stuff seems bad, people should keep in mind that Hillary sent emails from a private email server using her blackberry

[Ruzious]

While this Russia stuff seems bad, people should keep in mind that Hillary sent emails from a private email server using her blackberry

You kidd, but this is a perfect example of the kind of completely illogical equivalency being used. What did Curt Schilling say about it? That she should rot in hell and live the rest of her life in prison? And the same people who agreed with Schilling are calling Democrats hysterical. It's all a completely dishonest strategy.

[cammac]

While this Russia stuff seems bad, people should keep in mind that Hillary sent emails from a private email server using her blackberry

Plus with a exhaustive search by the FBI it was never hacked!
Sorry Hillary Clinton isn't President.
As many attempts the White House & Republicans have tried to reopen it Jeff Sessions & DOJ not complied. In other word its a nothing burger.

On the other hand conspiring with the Russians is extremely serious and it looks as indictment begin to pile up there is much more than smoke. I'm not using the word collude I'm saying conspiracy which is a crime.

[dckingsfan]

What I don't get at all... is comparing the 2 parties and seeing an equivalence...

I hope I am not taking this out of context - I apologize if I am. I'll try to answer for an independent.

Understand where I am coming from. I don't see the parties as equivalents at this point. I hope the Rs get trounced in 2018 and 2020, they had their chance to govern and didn't. And I hope the Ds actually govern in 2021 - but I am old. I have watched both parties inability to govern. I try to learn from history and not ignore it - those that don't just repeat the same mistakes.

I don't trust the Ds as far as I can throw them either. I don't think they are willing to take the tough choices. It was clear when Obama had the majority - where did they put that stimulus money? Was it well spent? When they took on healthcare did they go after the cost drivers or do the political "thing". Did they take on gun control when they were the dominant majority. Did they get rid of baseline spending? Did they do the things that were required to get us growth to get out of this fiscal mess or did they just vilify the business community?

I really don't listen to what the Ds say any longer - I watch what they do. And I understand a bit of where SD is coming from... he comes from Illinois - look what the Ds have done to that state, they are corrupt. And yes, we could just as easily pick on Kansas and their knucklehead of a governor. Two classic examples of how to destroy a state - one #soD and one #soR.

So - if someone comes in and says - party x = evil. I say, but your party is as well. If you want to say party x < party y. Fine.

But neither have competent leadership and platforms at this time.

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Now I'm waiting for Wizards RealGM to produce some relevant documents to the authorities.

[DCZards]

I don't trust the Ds as far as I can throw them either. I don't think they are willing to take the tough choices. It was clear when Obama had the majority - where did they put that stimulus money? Was it well spent? When they took on healthcare did they go after the cost drivers or do the political "thing". Did they take on gun control when they were the dominant majority. Did they get rid of baseline spending? Did they do the things that were required to get us growth to get out of this fiscal mess or did they just vilify the business community?

Aren't you asking an awful lot from a President and Dem Party that had the majority for 2 years, especially when you take into account that there was a major economic recession that needed to be immediately addressed when Obama took office?

You're right regarding healthcare cost drivers. They remain a major drag on healthcare and our economy. But if Obama and the Dems had taken on the cost drivers fight in the short time they held the majority I believe the healthcare reform bill would have never seen the light of day.

I think Obama and the Dems chose to seize the opportunity to pass Obamacare--knowing it was a flawed bill--with the intention of coming back later to tackle the bills shortcomings, including cost drivers. Ideally, with the support of the Repubs. Obama himself pretty much said as much right after Obamacare was passed. You may not agree with that strategy but it is what it is.

BTW, the popularity of Obamacare is steadily rising. It is currently polling at 54% favorable to 42% unfavorable, according to the Kaiser Foundation.

[stilldropin20]

Right now Trump has lost his 3 strongest allies in the world Canada, Australia & UK plus the EU, Korea & Japan. A tariff that was designed to hurt China who is dumping steel unfairly hurt other nations much more. He may be using it a tactic in NAFTA but really won't work in that Canada knows it will create chaos in the automotive sector. In the short term it may hurt Canada but in longer term more automotive business will locate in Canada to avoid the tariff. Parts & automobiles are exempt from the tariff. NAFTA negotiations have been erratic because of the outlandish requests by the American negotiating team. Neither Canada nor Mexico as sovereign nations will never accept them. It also shows the world that America isn't trustworthy in international negotiations.

Trump is going to Canada for the G7 luckily it is far away from any major populations but you can rest assured he will never be invited to Ottawa.

Canada n Mexico can our . [Choose a different misspelled word. This is a family-friendly site] Once we have equal trade balance with each and every major trading country then we can listen to their whining n crying over tariffs. I say make the tariffs higher!!


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[Ruzious]

What I don't get at all... is comparing the 2 parties and seeing an equivalence...

I hope I am not taking this out of context - I apologize if I am. I'll try to answer for an independent.

Understand where I am coming from. I don't see the parties as equivalents at this point. I hope the Rs get trounced in 2018 and 2020, they had their chance to govern and didn't. And I hope the Ds actually govern in 2021 - but I am old. I have watched both parties inability to govern. I try to learn from history and not ignore it - those that don't just repeat the same mistakes.

I don't trust the Ds as far as I can throw them either. I don't think they are willing to take the tough choices. It was clear when Obama had the majority - where did they put that stimulus money? Was it well spent? When they took on healthcare did they go after the cost drivers or do the political "thing". Did they take on gun control when they were the dominant majority. Did they get rid of baseline spending? Did they do the things that were required to get us growth to get out of this fiscal mess or did they just vilify the business community?

I really don't listen to what the Ds say any longer - I watch what they do. And I understand a bit of where SD is coming from... he comes from Illinois - look what the Ds have done to that state, they are corrupt. And yes, we could just as easily pick on Kansas and their knucklehead of a governor. Two classic examples of how to destroy a state - one #soD and one #soR.

So - if someone comes in and says - party x = evil. I say, but your party is as well. If you want to say party x < party y. Fine.

But neither have competent leadership and platforms at this time.

When I'm talking about equivalency, we could have it with someone like Jeb Bush or even Kasich or Romney as President. While I have major differences with them, they are intelligent and somewhat reasonable people that aren't just out to squash the other party and everyone who has a disagreement with them. They don't strike me as horrible human beings. What we have now is a horrible human being with an ego beyond measurement and a very mediocre intellect run with a "deplorable" House of Representatives and flawed Senate. Trump's time in office is all about chaos and reversal of progress, and I'm just hoping we'll survive it.

[cammac]

Right now Trump has lost his 3 strongest allies in the world Canada, Australia & UK plus the EU, Korea & Japan. A tariff that was designed to hurt China who is dumping steel unfairly hurt other nations much more. He may be using it a tactic in NAFTA but really won't work in that Canada knows it will create chaos in the automotive sector. In the short term it may hurt Canada but in longer term more automotive business will locate in Canada to avoid the tariff. Parts & automobiles are exempt from the tariff. NAFTA negotiations have been erratic because of the outlandish requests by the American negotiating team. Neither Canada nor Mexico as sovereign nations will never accept them. It also shows the world that America isn't trustworthy in international negotiations.

Trump is going to Canada for the G7 luckily it is far away from any major populations but you can rest assured he will never be invited to Ottawa.

Canada n Mexico can our . [Choose a different misspelled word. This is a family-friendly site] Once we have equal trade balance with each and every major trading country then we can listen to their whining n crying over tariffs. I say make the tariffs higher!!


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That is wonderful from a gun toting lunatic who likely doesn't have a carry permit and use's it to extort rent.

[Pointgod]

I don't trust the Ds as far as I can throw them either. I don't think they are willing to take the tough choices. It was clear when Obama had the majority - where did they put that stimulus money? Was it well spent? When they took on healthcare did they go after the cost drivers or do the political "thing". Did they take on gun control when they were the dominant majority. Did they get rid of baseline spending? Did they do the things that were required to get us growth to get out of this fiscal mess or did they just vilify the business community?

Aren't you asking an awful lot from a President and Dem Party that had the majority for 2 years, especially when you take into account that there was a major economic recession that needed to be immediately addressed when Obama took office?

You're right regarding healthcare cost drivers. They remain a major drag on healthcare and our economy. But if Obama and the Dems had taken on the cost drivers fight in the short time they held the majority I believe the healthcare reform bill would have never seen the light of day.

I think Obama and the Dems chose to seize the opportunity to pass Obamacare--knowing it was a flawed bill--with the intention of coming back later to tackle the bills shortcomings, including cost drivers. Ideally, with the support of the Repubs. Obama himself pretty much said as much right after Obamacare was passed. You may not agree with that strategy but it is what it is.

BTW, the popularity of Obamacare is steadily rising. It is currently polling at 54% favorable to 42% unfavorable, according to the Kaiser Foundation.

Obama had a super majority for what 2 months and he had a majority for 2 years? The Dems could have rammed healthcare through but decided to try to work in a bipartisan manner and through normal procedure. Guess what his reward was, a **** tidal wave of **** tea party candidates that wanted to nothing but obstruct. Even with healthcare reform he had opposition from members of his own party!

Republicans rammed through the tax cut in two months, no debate, no effort to make it bipartisan. People aren't honest with themselves if you don't acknowledge that the reason progress hasn't been made on the ACA is squarely is because of Republicans.