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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#301 » by payitforward » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:34 pm

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payitforward wrote:...Another bargain player I'd be targeting is Kevon Looney, who will be unrestricted at the end of the season....

... I don't feel the same about Looney.... I think you have to take his numbers with a heaping dose of salt. Basically, he is never guarded by anyone because they're all focused on Curry, Durant and Klay. If you give him some actual defensive attention, I think his numbers would plummet.

It's always hard to look past scoring when you evaluate a player -- & it's perfectly reasonable to include it in assessing a guy, b/c in basketball, everyone does everything. Some people do more of one thing than another, sometimes a lot more, but all the same... everyone still does some of everything. & everything they do counts in evaluation.

So when you say "I think his numbers would plummet," I think you mean his scoring numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Three responses:

1. Looney doesn't seek to score. This year he's taking @8.8 FGAs per 40 minutes. Since he gets just over 5 offensive rebounds in that same time, I'm going to speculate (w/o doing any research, so I could be wrong) that a hefty % of those FGAs are bunnies. Putbacks, etc. He only takes a jumper if he happens to be completely open -- I can see where some of those last kind of shots would go away.

But "logic" of this kind always cuts in both directions: viz. GS is a very good shooting team, high %. If Looney were on a team that didn't shoot as well, he would get more offensive rebounds (more misses = more opportunities) to replace those jumpers. More bunnies.... :)

2. Of course, players aren't machines & no matter who you look at his numbers will vary from year to year. But... almost always within a reasonably predictable range. & research shows (so I'm told, so I read -- I haven't done any research myself) that moving from team to team doesn't actually have a meaningful effect on a guy's overall level of play.

(For the person who jumps up with a narrative of how this can't be so: what I just said isn't a hypothesis, it's a result, actual fact. Oh, and yes, there are exceptions -- as there are to every empirical regularity)

3. Like you, I'm just "throwing out ideas." A decision about Looney or any other player would come down to how his numbers look when you measured them against what he'd cost & against what other player(s) you might choose instead & what they would cost.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#302 » by payitforward » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:46 pm

One more point about the above -- it's really easy to get misled into thinking that a guy is playing well, contributing to wins, when he posts a high FG% -- especially, these days, if it's a high 3pt. %.

This is how one becomes convinced that Jeff Green's play in 1600 minutes has been a positive somehow, a bright spot in a season full of losses, when in fact his play has been one of the biggest contributors to that lousy season.

(I like Jeff Green; he seems a really good guy. He's just never even approached being a good player in the NBA. I'm not picking on him. Just citing his numbers.)
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#303 » by youngWizzy » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:58 pm

One guy I wanted last off-season and would certainly help this off-season is ED Davis. He's from D.C (I believe his dad played here, might be wrong). Regardless, he is averaging 17 rebounds per 36 minutes. Nope, that is not a typo.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#304 » by DCZards » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:12 pm

youngWizzy wrote:One guy I wanted last off-season and would certainly help this off-season is ED Davis. He's from D.C (I believe his dad played here, might be wrong). Regardless, he is averaging 17 rebounds per 36 minutes. Nope, that is not a typo.


Yup, Ed Davis's dad, Terry, played for the Wizards. A little trivia: He scored the first basket ever in MCI Center (now Cap One Arena). I was there!

I believe Ed grew up in Richmond...not DC.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#305 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:00 am

Dat2U wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Ok so I'm going over the 3 scenarios that can happen with our lottery pick:

Question - we can pick 4th now? Assume that was a change with the revised draft - I totally missed that.

In the second scenario, you would take Barrett over Morant? Not questioning you - just would like your insight.

And if we get Zion, a couple of things would happen.
1) Dwight would opt in
2) It would become much easier to sign FAs
3) EG then really would be the GM for life


1. Yep, we can get the 4th pick now!

2. Yep, I've seen growth in Barrett over the season. His stroke looks smoother as well. It looks like he'lI think he'll be a good shooter at the NBA level as he continues to work on it. That was my #1 concern for him. With a broke jumper, he's just a bigger Larry Hughes or a quick twitch Tyreke Evans. With a knockdown jumper he's a future 25+ scorer in the league and a multiyear all-star at minimum.

I'm not down on Ja. It's just easier to scout Barrett because all of his games are readily available. Morant like I said has all the Wall traits. The only difference is he is more elusive laterally and bouncy than Wall but Wall has the better frame to absorb contact from straight line drives. It would sort of hard to move on from Wall so abruptly with his clone but the kid is a special talent.

3. If we get Zion, our entire world would get turned upside down as a Wizards fan. This board would also become much busier!

We're not getting Zion. We are getting RJ. You know it, I know it, Ernst & Young knows it.

Actually, we are 7th seeded now. that gives us a 7.5% chance at #1 and a 7.8% chance at #2.


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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#306 » by payitforward » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:26 pm

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youngWizzy wrote:One guy I wanted last off-season and would certainly help this off-season is ED Davis. He's from D.C (I believe his dad played here, might be wrong). Regardless, he is averaging 17 rebounds per 36 minutes. Nope, that is not a typo.

Yup, Ed Davis's dad, Terry, played for the Wizards. A little trivia: He scored the first basket ever in MCI Center (now Cap One Arena). I was there!

I believe Ed grew up in Richmond...not DC.

Yes, he's on my list too. Productive, unrestricted & will be inexpensive.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#307 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:44 pm

payitforward wrote:
DCZards wrote:
youngWizzy wrote:One guy I wanted last off-season and would certainly help this off-season is ED Davis. He's from D.C (I believe his dad played here, might be wrong). Regardless, he is averaging 17 rebounds per 36 minutes. Nope, that is not a typo.

Yup, Ed Davis's dad, Terry, played for the Wizards. A little trivia: He scored the first basket ever in MCI Center (now Cap One Arena). I was there!

I believe Ed grew up in Richmond...not DC.

Yes, he's on my list too. Productive, unrestricted & will be inexpensive.

And 30. Once they turn 30, we take out back and shoot em.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#308 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 1, 2019 12:03 am

doclinkin wrote:Suck to get lucky. Or Build a Good Team. I feel like those are the choices in looking towards the future. Ted's 10 Point Plan, Sam Hinkie's 'Process' are both suck luck methods.

Vs a team like San Antonio who is always in the running, always has a good team, but without landing the next Big Timmy are never real contenders for a chip.

The draft order lotto reset adds some disincentive for the Suck2Luck method. Which means maybe it is time for us to lay out a plan of incremental improvement, and to get solid team with a unifying vision of how to get there and what that means.

....

Problem is, in sucking lucky, odds are, we fail. Year after year. Odds are everyone does. While we stockpiled and kept high draft picks we were never lucky enough to suck into the game-changing keystone player in the right year. And to keep those high picks proved unaffordable long term. Seems like everyone has tired of that game. The roller coaster of streaks and failures based on over-playing injured stars, and hoping to get lucky. Maybe its time to recognize the probability that luck is not on your side, for any team, that even the Process that landed a squad multiple picks year after year has not resulted in a championship. Yes we want a chip, but is there a way to build instead a solid squad that is fun to watch, that gives good effort, and instead of trying to outsuck the sucky, we look for inefficiencies in the game and actually build a scouting department that is good at outguessing opponents later in the draft to land a Giannis or the like even with a later pick.

As a fan base are we willing to cheer for a team that may not win a championship if year after year they were able to give us Spurs level success? Effort. Good attitude. Smart play. Even if other hypertalents would transcend and beat us. Because a few of us on here could lay out a plan that would build a good team. Ideas on how to maximize efficiencies in our favor. Build a solid squad from bench to starters, even given a shortfall in cap while we survive the wreckage of 9 or so points of that Plan. I have ideas on how to do that, to build a hellofa Good team, but even in that I know the truth of the adage "Good is the enemy of Great".

I'd like to see peoples plans for both: how do we build a good team.
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How do we build a champion contender?


Answering my own question here, I think with the flattened odds for Lotto chances it forces teams to rely on actual team-building principles. Which is, I suppose, as it should be. I have a few ideas towards this that will drop here in thumbnail form since I haven't had time to scribe the full manifesto. But. Here are the basics of what has been on my mind for a time.

Outside of top luck in the lotto: trade for extra picks in the late rounds. Trade down, insist on 2nd round picks in every trade you make, now and in the future. Value extra picks in the second round as much or more than higher picks in the first round.

PIF has been yapping this concept up and for those of us who watch the back end of the draft looking for falling stars and hidden gems it has haunted us for a while: Even professional scouts who make their livelihood by trying to guess the future and land productive players fail at selecting good players more often than they succeed. The top mega-talents have been identified since middle school, but others do fall. Every draft there are favorites of ours that drop past the first round and that show up on rosters later and forge productive careers. As many do as any first round selections past the top 3 in any given year. So in that respect you want more bites at the apple. More chances to bring a guy under your wing and see if you can retain him. With the Gilbert Arenas rule these guys are more likely to be retained at a reasonable price if they do pan out, and we have options like Eurostashing guys who may develop overseas if they are willing to tattoo their passports for a couple years before coming back. You get 15 players on your roster, fill the end of your bench not with has-been scrubs and veteran roster filler, but with promising talent. We now even get 2 two-way players who may find their way onto the team.

Build a gladiator school out of your G-League squad. Yes, by all means send down promising talent for seasoning, but rather than fill the entire squad with unpolished talent, draft for BBIQ all-stars even if they lack supernova upside. At this lower level you want to implement team play and squads that don't simply gun for stats to be noticed and picked up by other teams, but instead you want it to be a continuation of college, a place to learn fundamentals and skills and team play. Teams in this league are noted to be lax in defense. If your squad does play D you will win. Players who get dropped to this level will enjoy winning, and will pick up the habits of being surrounded by gutty hustlefxcks who are unselfish and play the right way. Winning at this level will make it hurt less to be sent back down. It is always fun to win. Fill the home arena however you can. Free tickets, bands before and after, free shuttles to the building from parking elsewhere. Make it fun to play here so the players miss the team atmosphere. Treat them as well as guys in the bigs so the drag of playing in I dunno Maine in February is not as draining. But mostly: commit to winning at this level, so players don't get used to selfish play as a means to get noticed. Then as the stigma of being sent 'down' erodes, use the team liberally. As often as the Players Association rules allow, cycle players between the two squads. Reward good play at the G-League with 10-day contracts up at the bigs. So even your NBA players will see a cycle of fresh scrappy hardnosed players coming in to scrap in practice and the try-hard mindset will circulate. Hell if the league allowed it I'd like to send veterans down to rehab during home games if they were coming back from a set-back and needed a few reps to get conditioning and rehab themselves. Sadly I don't think we are there yet.

Win or lose, develop your talent. In the Warriors era we aren't going to steal a ring unless we luck into a hypertalent. Nor were we in the LeBron era. Reserve a certain number of minutes per game to developing your talent. You pay the players, you bank on their development, you had hopes for them when you drafted them. PLAY them. Salt young players in a few minutes a game with your established talent. Not just a full-scrub bench-dump in blow-outs. But throughout the year play them a few minutes here and there with starters. Try them out in live fire real time. A few possessions a game. When playoffs roll around or in critical games you can rely more heavily on starters, but until then use your entire bench. You should never have a guy on the bench whose only job is cheerleading and towel waving. There are still too many back-to-back nights and meaningless games on the record to burn out your starters by leaning too heavily on them night in and night out with no relief. Use your bench.

The game has changed. Change with it. With the uptick in pace there are more possessions a game to play with. Experiment with that. One area that a few teams are sneakily emphasizing is rebounding. Especially second line rebounders. With the fetishization of three point gunning and small ball there are more rebounds to be had. We now see an average of over 30 shots a game taken from 3-land. But even good teams hit just over a third of those shots. That means 20 of them are misses and long bounces. To my way of thinking, if you are not the most efficient scoring team in the league (and only GSW and Houston can argue over that claim right now) , then you might as well emphasize snatching as many of those chances as you can, and prevent those efficient scorers from taking second chance shots. So. When drafting players or trading, if you have a choice between two guys, pick the guy who rebounds better in relation to other guys at that position. The basic BBIQ stat is defensive rebounding. Everybody knows the old guy at the gym who is a pain to play against not because he is more athletic but because he boxes out and grabs every rebound and his team wins all the time. Defensive rebounds and assists show you know where your team is and where their team is at the critical moment. It's a simple short hand for 'does this guy know what to do and and have a sense of the moment'. So in a choice between a PF and a 2-guard, if the PF is an average rebounder at his spot and the guard is a superior rebounder relative to other true guards, take the guard, even if naturally the PF has more actual rebounds.

Ditto assists relative to position. Especially in all players other than Point Guards. If your big can collect the rebound and fire it to the guard for a better shot, or pass out of the double-team as soon as they collapse on him, he will make the players around him better and the squad will buy in to team play. IT starts to change the culture and players enjoy helping each other out and moving the ball since they are going to get it back at some point.

My feeling is by building from the "G" up we can change the culture of the team. And even in an era where we can't expect to win a chip, even if the pieces aren't there and we have a cap issue with a damaged supermax star, we can still sneakily build a tough scrappy team that is fun to root for, and develop our own homegrown talent. If we have a foundation of a winning mentality then when we do land those underdeveloped talents we can help them grow the rest of the way by peer example. Hard work is a transferable trait when you are steeped in it. The military is is built on it, you never want to let your squad down, if every one else is working hard then so will you.

Just the skeleton of an idea, but it seems to me we can take advantage of the opportunity of lowered expectations to shake things up and change the culture and eventually the impression of players around the league. That this sis a squad that rewards success and is a good spot to land if you're a cat who is a lifer in this game and loves to play/compete.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#309 » by NYG » Fri Mar 1, 2019 12:42 am

If Beal requested a trade, which teams would be the most likely suitors? What could those teams offer that the Wizards would accept?
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#310 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 1, 2019 1:09 am

NYG wrote:If Beal requested a trade, which teams would be the most likely suitors? What could those teams offer that the Wizards would accept?

There are almost no teams who have enough young assets and/or picks to trade for Beal, while still remaining good enough after the trade to give Beal a really strong reason to stay on his next contract. Boston may have been in that position a few months ago, but as the value of their picks has plummeted, so has their ability to trade for Beal.

At this point, I think New York (assuming they land Durant) is one of the few suitors, and that would have to involve their #2 or #3 pick.

Oh, and Beal has made it pretty clear that he will not request a trade.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#311 » by NYG » Fri Mar 1, 2019 1:20 am

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NYG wrote:If Beal requested a trade, which teams would be the most likely suitors? What could those teams offer that the Wizards would accept?

There are almost no teams who have enough young assets and/or picks to trade for Beal, while still remaining good enough after the trade to give Beal a really strong reason to stay on his next contract. Boston may have been in that position a few months ago, but as the value of their picks has plummeted, so has their ability to trade for Beal.

At this point, I think New York (assuming they land Durant) is one of the few suitors, and that would have to involve their #2 or #3 pick.

Oh, and Beal has made it pretty clear that he will not request a trade.


What would the Wizards plan be to build around Beal?
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#312 » by NYG » Fri Mar 1, 2019 1:21 am

2019 Off-Season Questions

1. Who are your free agents and what percentage would you put on them re-signing?

2. What are your team needs and the overall short term goals of the team?

3. Is there any reason your coach may not be in place next year?

4. Who are you willing to trade?
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#313 » by payitforward » Fri Mar 1, 2019 1:47 am

Answers to your first 2 questions you can find yourself. Brooks is owed a lot of $$ & won't be gone.

Anybody on any team should be available to trade if the deal is right. Give us your R1 pick this year & next plus Mitchell Robinson & Damyean Dotson, & you can have Brad Beal -- is that who you want?
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#314 » by FAH1223 » Fri Mar 1, 2019 12:38 pm

NYG wrote:
nate33 wrote:
NYG wrote:If Beal requested a trade, which teams would be the most likely suitors? What could those teams offer that the Wizards would accept?

There are almost no teams who have enough young assets and/or picks to trade for Beal, while still remaining good enough after the trade to give Beal a really strong reason to stay on his next contract. Boston may have been in that position a few months ago, but as the value of their picks has plummeted, so has their ability to trade for Beal.

At this point, I think New York (assuming they land Durant) is one of the few suitors, and that would have to involve their #2 or #3 pick.

Oh, and Beal has made it pretty clear that he will not request a trade.


What would the Wizards plan be to build around Beal?


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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#315 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 1, 2019 12:55 pm

NYG wrote:
nate33 wrote:
NYG wrote:If Beal requested a trade, which teams would be the most likely suitors? What could those teams offer that the Wizards would accept?

There are almost no teams who have enough young assets and/or picks to trade for Beal, while still remaining good enough after the trade to give Beal a really strong reason to stay on his next contract. Boston may have been in that position a few months ago, but as the value of their picks has plummeted, so has their ability to trade for Beal.

At this point, I think New York (assuming they land Durant) is one of the few suitors, and that would have to involve their #2 or #3 pick.

Oh, and Beal has made it pretty clear that he will not request a trade.


What would the Wizards plan be to build around Beal?

Plan? We have no plan! Plans are for sucker franchises. We will continue to pay overpriced free agents and then sacrifice future picks to get out of luxtax problems. It's worked so well for us so far. Why change anything?
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#316 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 1, 2019 2:49 pm

NYG wrote:If Beal requested a trade, which teams would be the most likely suitors? What could those teams offer that the Wizards would accept?

Question, what is your plan if Durant doesn't come to NY?

BTW, you can answer this on your forum if you prefer :D
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#317 » by NYG » Fri Mar 1, 2019 3:49 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
NYG wrote:If Beal requested a trade, which teams would be the most likely suitors? What could those teams offer that the Wizards would accept?

Question, what is your plan if Durant doesn't come to NY?

BTW, you can answer this on your forum if you prefer :D


I’m not trolling just in case you got that vibe. I’m just a nerd with a really big interest in the NBA off-season haha

If NY doesn’t get KD, I would go down the top tier free agent list and if we strike out then continue the rebuild by adding more future picks for bad contracts.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#318 » by BigA » Sat Mar 2, 2019 1:14 pm

NYG wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
NYG wrote:If Beal requested a trade, which teams would be the most likely suitors? What could those teams offer that the Wizards would accept?

Question, what is your plan if Durant doesn't come to NY?

BTW, you can answer this on your forum if you prefer :D


I’m not trolling just in case you got that vibe. I’m just a nerd with a really big interest in the NBA off-season haha

If NY doesn’t get KD, I would go down the top tier free agent list and if we strike out then continue the rebuild by adding more future picks for bad contracts.

From all appearances, Beal won't demand a trade before he signs his next contract, and the Wizards probably won't trade him.

It would be interesting if someone offered the 2 or 3 pick in this year's draft. I don't know if word would ever get out. Word got out sometime later when they were offered Harden for Beal.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#319 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Mar 2, 2019 4:21 pm

The Wizards have consistently chosen unwisely. Building around Beal, barring winning the lottery this offseason, will be the wrong move.

The Wizards need to trade Beal this offseason for a lottery pick. Period. Easy call.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#320 » by WizTom » Sat Mar 2, 2019 5:57 pm

NYG wrote:
nate33 wrote:
NYG wrote:If Beal requested a trade, which teams would be the most likely suitors? What could those teams offer that the Wizards would accept?

There are almost no teams who have enough young assets and/or picks to trade for Beal, while still remaining good enough after the trade to give Beal a really strong reason to stay on his next contract. Boston may have been in that position a few months ago, but as the value of their picks has plummeted, so has their ability to trade for Beal.

At this point, I think New York (assuming they land Durant) is one of the few suitors, and that would have to involve their #2 or #3 pick.

Oh, and Beal has made it pretty clear that he will not request a trade.


What would the Wizards plan be to build around Beal?


Just a guess, but I think Leonsis told Beal that EFG would be gone after this year. Maybe Brooks, too.

The team has so much money buried in sunk costs, it would be wise to just eat them and move on in a new direction.

Pray that Howard opts out. Buy him out if he tries to come back. Use the stretch provision to cut Mahinmi. Forget about re-signing Ariza and Green, unless they settle for vet-minimums. Try to keep Satoransky and Bryant. Most important of all, double-dog dare Wall to play himself back into shape ASAP so he can be moved to the Lakers after they strike out on trying to get any significant free agents to actually choose to play with GM LeBron and the Hollywood Hacks. Try to get Ingram, Hart, and future draft picks with whatever cap filler they want to throw at the Wiz.

I think a point forward type like Ingram would be great playing with Satoransky. Hart allows the team to consider moving Beal for more future picks.

Hire a competent GM and get out of the way.


#FireEFG

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