Political Roundtable Part XXXIV

[Zonkerbl]

Here's an interesting take:

https://bsky.app/profile/eladn.bsky.social/post/3lka7xngnes2a

tl:dr; Even though Biden is less chummy with Netanyahu than Trump, Biden's policy of unconditional support for Israel made negotiating a cease fire impossible because Netanyahu suxxors. Trump's unreliability as a negotiator actually makes the possibility of a ceasefire more likely.

[Zonkerbl]

I love how the Republicans were reliably pro-business and listening to them saying "please don't impose protectionist tariffs" just like Reagan said and just overnight those hypocrites threw out all their principles to snuggle up to Trump's jugglies and bam, we're in a recession. These are the same geniuses willing to hold a gun to our own economy's head to get symbolic deficit reduction. Just a real brain trust here. Worst leaders ever. Such a disaster. Last week Trump tried to blame the market crash his tariffs caused on the Jews ("globalists"). Classy.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/13/investing/us-stocks-global-trade-tensions/index.html

Trump tried the same idiot trick in 2016 but the economy was booming so all he did was slow economic growth down (which is why it exploded under Biden). This time we all get to suffer the consequences of Trump's stupidity.

[closg00]

Here's an interesting take:

https://bsky.app/profile/eladn.bsky.social/post/3lka7xngnes2a

tl:dr; Even though Biden is less chummy with Netanyahu than Trump, Biden's policy of unconditional support for Israel made negotiating a cease fire impossible because Netanyahu suxxors. Trump's unreliability as a negotiator actually makes the possibility of a ceasefire more likely.

Biden was horrible on Israel & Ukraine .

[payitforward]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHE9NxMyS09/?igsh=ZGUzMzM3NWJiOQ==

Hard to imagine something so awful as to make you miss him....

[dobrojim]

to anyone who said or had a sticker proclaiming "Trump will fix it",
I hope you are too embarrassed to ever vote again. I'm not sure
what it might take to fix what not that long ago was a reasonably
well functioning, albeit admittedly imperfect country.

The list of things that are now effed up beyond recognition is
almost infinitely long.

Popper, Bonscott, Da1,(and Nate), please explain for us how this
will work out to our benefit. Being a libtard, I am having great
difficulty in understanding how this ends well. Unless it is by
a Constitutional Convention (or 25th amendment) that fixes some of
the foundational problems (Electoral college, gerrymandering, money in politics...
too long a list really) that our founders who were in many ways,
incredibly wise, couldn't get right on the first try.

[Kanyewest]

Thoughts on Schumer voting on CR? I wonder if he is taking the flack for other democrats that feel the same way, but this seems like a poor move politically given that only 1 member in the house voted for the bill. It also seems like the majority of his base in New York is against the bill. It also seems like poor optics given how poorly some of the resistance has come accross. Part of me wonders if Schumer could get a serious primary run although not sure if the democratic base would hold Schumer accountable.

[dobrojim]

I’m a bit conflicted on this. Neither option seems to actually be good
(understatement).
Last night Chris Hayes argued against Schumer on his show. Schumer
was for cloture and against a shutdown. Between those 2, I’m pretty
sure I trust Hayes more than Schumer.

In either case, Golfy will do whatever hurts the country more.
I guess I want him to own it unambiguously.

[queridiculo]

Thoughts on Schumer voting on CR? I wonder if he is taking the flack for other democrats that feel the same way, but this seems like a poor move politically given that only 1 member in the house voted for the bill. It also seems like the majority of his base in New York is against the bill. It also seems like poor optics given how poorly some of the resistance has come accross. Part of me wonders if Schumer could get a serious primary run although not sure if the democratic base would hold Schumer accountable.

A vote with the fogies is a vote against the people.

That's where my head is at.

Dem leadership is the Democrats version of Dan Snyder.

I suppose it's not quite as dire though, time is on our side.

.. then again, who knows? Maybe it'll be too late when a bunch of those buckets are kicked.

What AOC is saying makes too much sense.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/13/politics/video/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-aoc-cr-chuck-schumer-lead-digvid

Continuing to want to claim the high ground is a losing strategy.

You'd think that would be obvious by now.

[FAH1223]

The amount of anger that is coming from the Democratic base is surreal to witness.

Dem primary voters traditionally love their leaders.

Are we seeing a changing of the guard?

[AFM]

The amount of anger that is coming from the Democratic base is surreal to witness.

Dem primary voters traditionally love their leaders.

Are we seeing a changing of the guard?

Good. Dem leadership is a bunch of losers. In the literal sense, they can't stop losing.

[dobrojim]

I love how the Republicans were reliably pro-business and listening to them saying "please don't impose protectionist tariffs" just like Reagan said and just overnight those hypocrites threw out all their principles to snuggle up to Trump's jugglies and bam, we're in a recession.

I love how Republicans who were reliably pro law enforcement are now
staunchly pro organized crime now that the crime organization is the GOP.

Boom, a wave of corruption.

[queridiculo]

Not sure if this link works with the start time, but starting at 12 minute 30 seconds Sam Seder and Emma Vigeland doing a great job breaking down just how inane Schumer's decision was.

Watch on YouTube

These guys are the worst and we have got to fight them every step of the way

What a clown, Hayes almost busts out laughing.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5194773-trump-schumer-government-funding/

Trump congratulates Schumer for doing ‘right thing’ on CR

[AFM]

Not sure if this link works with the start time, but starting at 12 minute 30 seconds Sam Seder and Emma Vigeland doing a great job breaking down just how inane Schumer's decision was.

Watch on YouTube

These guys are the worst and we have got to fight them every step of the way

What a clown, Hayes almost busts out laughing.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5194773-trump-schumer-government-funding/

Trump congratulates Schumer for doing ‘right thing’ on CR

I have no idea if his reasoning is sound or not I'm just a moron online but Schumer wrote an op ed in the NYT explaining his decision
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/opinion/trump-musk-shutdown-senate.html

First, a shutdown would give Mr. Trump and Mr. Musk permission to destroy vital government services at a significantly faster rate than they can right now. Under a shutdown, the Trump administration would have wide-ranging authority to deem whole agencies, programs and personnel nonessential, furloughing staff members with no promise they would ever be rehired.

The decisions about what is essential would, in practice, be largely up to the executive branch, with few left at agencies to check it.

Mr. Musk has reportedly said that he wants a shutdown and may already be planning how to use one to his advantage.

[queridiculo]

First, a shutdown would give Mr. Trump and Mr. Musk permission to destroy vital government services at a significantly faster rate than they can right now. Under a shutdown, the Trump administration would have wide-ranging authority to deem whole agencies, programs and personnel nonessential, furloughing staff members with no promise they would ever be rehired.

The decisions about what is essential would, in practice, be largely up to the executive branch, with few left at agencies to check it.

Mr. Musk has reportedly said that he wants a shutdown and may already be planning how to use one to his advantage.

Quite frankly, it is nonsense.

The reason why this bill is problematic in the first place is that it does not include specific funding directives for a lot of programs.

This creates a slush fund that allows the current administration to pick and choose how to disperse funds, which will do exactly what Schumer is claiming he is attempting to avert - accelerate the implementation of their agenda to dismantle the government.

By passing this resolution, Schumer is basically co-signing what Republicans have been planning to do all along.

[dobrojim]

National protest in DC April 5.

https://indivisible.org/

[Dat2U]

The amount of anger that is coming from the Democratic base is surreal to witness.

Dem primary voters traditionally love their leaders.

Are we seeing a changing of the guard?

Nearly every elected democrat over 40 yrs old needs to go away, forever! We've gotten multiple generations of weak polticians who will back down at every turn (going back to Carter & Clinton). Too scared to pass anything that might offend anyone when they do have power. Too focused on fringe issues helping a microscopic minority while ignoring everything that actually matters. Bought and paid for by special interests. They've mastered performative politics where the photo opp is all that matters.

It sucks it takes the destruction of American society for folks to realize how bad it's gotten ... and now it's possibly to late. I don't think we'll ever see a 'fair' election again. It could potentially take decades to undo the damage Trump/Elon are causing.

Race relations are at the lowest point i can ever remember. I'm not old enough to know what the 50s & 60s were like. Everyone seemingly hates everyone else now. Nationalism is pushing its way back to the forefront. It feels like the 2030s may be a repeat of the 1930s. As a black man ... I'm wondering what country I'm going to be safe in for the foreseeable future because it no longer feels like that is America.

[dobrojim]

Watch on YouTube

[TGW]

The people should be protesting the entire government, not just one or two people they deem as “a threat to democracy.”

The democrats are complicit in the degradation of the federal government and society in general. All these liberals need to look in the mirror because they are the ones who put the feckless, corrupt corporatists in power like Schumer and Pelosi.

[AFM]

Dude's laugh is kind of annoying but this is a good video

Watch on YouTube

look at elon's tweet graph at 22:48

[Wizardspride]

https://newrepublic.com/post/192751/democrats-ocasio-cortez-schumer-seat-shutdown

According to the unnamed representative, even centrist Democrats were “so mad” that they were “ready to write checks for AOC for Senate.” Ocasio-Cortez declined to comment on challenging Schumer, saying she was focused on getting Democrats in the Senate to vote no. She noted that all but one House Democrat opposed the GOP bill, unlike in the Senate.

“There are members of Congress who have won Trump-held districts in some of the most difficult territory in the United States who walked the plank and took innumerable risks in order to defend the American people, in order to defend Social Security and Medicaid and Medicare,” Ocasio-Cortez said. “Just to see Senate Democrats even consider acquiescing to Elon Musk, I think is a huge slap in the face. And I think there is a wide sense of betrayal if things proceed as currently planned.”