JaVale McGee

[BruceO]

where people's opinion varies from yours pradamaster is you are saying he has defensive flaws and here is example A, B,C,D and other people are saying yeah yeah, I know he sucks defensively right now and A, B, C, D are in our mind temporary situations or perhaps the very bottom of the barrel as far as his general performance.

I guess I don't see the difference in opinion then. Bottom line is, if you agree that A, B, C and D were problems in that Portland game, then you agree with what I was doing. I didn't make any proclamations on his general performance going forward, other than to say that he has a ways to go. I don't see too many people disagreeing with that.

Basically, we're all saying that McGee is very raw, particularly defensively. I just did it in 3,000 words when some of you are doing it in 30. No big deal if we're all saying the same thing.

I don't disagree with your stance. To be able to figure out whether he's going to get better we have to see whether A, B,C,D are changeable things or not. OR whether A, B, C, D are consistent things he does. So I appreciate what you did and will use it as future reference for several things. First I will watch other games he has done in the past and in the future to see if those consistent points come up. Secondly I will watch to see if any changes are been made by the coaching staff to adust and control his style of play.

[Wisedude42]

Alot of people say draft the 7'0" McGee instead of a 6'9"- 6'8" Power Forward like Arthur or Hickson. There is this infactuation with height over everything else. Isn't Antwan Jamison a 6'8" Power Forward? But nobody says it's a problem with him being undersized at PF. It's all about production and performance not necessarily height. We'll see how these young players play and develop over the next few years. It will be interesting b/c none of these are really ready this year to get into the regular rotation.

[BruceO]

everyone is saying oh we should have picked arthur , but to be honest arthur is in the same mold as jamison. Regardless of how he performs they have the same game. So why draft someone who's duplicating someone else we already have on our roster whos signed for the next five years and is already performing. Thats the thing about Arthur that made me ex him off my list. The person you can make legitimate claims about is Mareese speights and he was gone before we got a chance to draft as he should have considering he's a better player and is in the rasheed and al jefferson mold and performed really well in florida.
So without duplicating what we have on our roster already and going for need now and down the line, which player would you take who was available and who'll end up better than mcgee years down the line after we have invested in him?
As far as the infatuation with his height, it's not only his height you have to understand that. Theres alot of 7 footers, that in itself to be a 7 footer is a big advantage in basketball, you can't coach 7 foot. The thing that makes his measureable special is the combination of tools. His height, his standing reach being on of the highest measured in the databases, very long wingspan, he has alot of speed, was measured running at a sf pace. He also is athletic. Has a very nice vertical for his size. As soon as he gains strength and a little extra weight which can be done by a proffesional training staff, and gets coaching from our personell, our shooting coaches, and go to a big man camp the game should come very easy to him. What he is trying to be isnt something you wake up tommorow and just be. He is pretty much a prototype.
As far as mentioning Jamison being a 6 9' PF just look at the height of the recent PF's who were contending for the title. Tim duncan, Kevin garnett, Rasheed wallace, Pau gasol, Haslem. All those guys except haslem have something in common. They're not 6 9' Pfs. The only team that wasn't had Haslem but that team also had Shaq and Mourning. I have every reason to believe we will go farther with Blatche at his prime. Blatche is our future starter at that position. It won't be Arthur

[dobrojim]

wise dude,

One of the omnipresent arguments or discussions of our team is that our
fwd tamdem, particularly AJ, is undersized. Many on the bb
have desired a more physical stud type than AJ.

This becomes that much more of a factor when the playoffs
start and for some strange reason, many of the teams still
playing are the teams that are big teams...think about the
4 semi-finalists in the EC. All are pretty big.

BOS - Garnett, a 7 ft pf (with SF skilz)l won it all by bullying their way through the finals
CLE - 7-3 C, 6-10 PF and Queenie; no question they're a big team.
ORL - stud ~7 ft C with tandem ~6-10ish fwds
DET - 6-10 all the way across the front court, except Maxiell who is a physical
player in spite of being "smallish" for a power position,

That's why so much for us is riding on AB fulfilling some of that potential
that is occasionally revealed. Of course, a healthy Gilberto would cover
a lot of small-ness elsewhere on the roster.
For that matter, N1 as a backcourt player has size (in terms of potential
size down the road).

in the No Babies Allowed, there are few substitutes for size, CP3 notwithstanding

[closg00]

wise dude,

One of the omnipresent arguments or discussions of our team is that our
fwd tamdem, particularly AJ, is undersized. Many on the bb
have desired a more physical stud type than AJ.

This becomes that much more of a factor when the playoffs
start and for some strange reason, many of the teams still
playing are the teams that are big teams...think about the
4 semi-finalists in the EC. All are pretty big.

BOS - Garnett, a 7 ft pf (with SF skilz)l won it all by bullying their way through the finals
CLE - 7-3 C, 6-10 PF and Queenie; no question they're a big team.
ORL - stud ~7 ft C with tandem ~6-10ish fwds
DET - 6-10 all the way across the front court, except Maxiell who is a physical
player in spite of being "smallish" for a power position,

That's why so much for us is riding on AB fulfilling some of that potential
that is occasionally revealed. Of course, a healthy Gilberto would cover
a lot of small-ness elsewhere on the roster.
For that matter, N1 as a backcourt player has size (in terms of potential
size down the road).

in the No Babies Allowed, there are few substitutes for size, CP3 notwithstanding

Agreed, we have run up against a brick-wall in the playoffs the past three years using small-ball. EJ is going to have to find an effective way to use our bigs this year, and when I say our bigs, I mean Haywood, Etan, & AB,..... Song to a lesser extent. Pech and McGee don't even count.
This is EJ'd last year to try and small-ball his way into the second round.

[DCZards]

This becomes that much more of a factor when the playoffs
start and for some strange reason, many of the teams still
playing are the teams that are big teams...think about the
4 semi-finalists in the EC. All are pretty big.

BOS - Garnett, a 7 ft pf (with SF skilz)l won it all by bullying their way through the finals
CLE - 7-3 C, 6-10 PF and Queenie; no question they're a big team.
ORL - stud ~7 ft C with tandem ~6-10ish fwds
DET - 6-10 all the way across the front court, except Maxiell who is a physical
player in spite of being "smallish" for a power position,

I don't know, jim. Seems to me that most Boston fans would tell you that the C's most effective lineup during the playoff was (dare I say it) the "small ball" lineup that featured Allen, Posey, Rondo and Pierce. And Garnett, while tall, is nobody's bully.

As for Orlando, yeah their two forwards--Hedo and Lewis--are 6-10ish, but both are really perimeter players and neither is especially tough or physical.

[JWizmentality]

^^^ So then it's EJ's fault??

[LyricalRico]

^^^ So then it's EJ's fault??

[DCZards]

^^^ So then it's EJ's fault??

^^^Caution: Children at play.

[closg00]

New article on the Wiz site on Javale. Put some meat on your bones son.
http://www.nba.com/wizards/news/nextbigstep_080729.html

[yungal07]

Alot of people say draft the 7'0" McGee instead of a 6'9"- 6'8" Power Forward like Arthur or Hickson. There is this infactuation with height over everything else. Isn't Antwan Jamison a 6'8" Power Forward? But nobody says it's a problem with him being undersized at PF. It's all about production and performance not necessarily height. We'll see how these young players play and develop over the next few years. It will be interesting b/c none of these are really ready this year to get into the regular rotation.

Ummm....I have a problem with an undersized Jamison at power forward. I have a big problem with it. I think that is one of the biggest weaknesses on the team, production put aside. But that's for another thread.

[JWizmentality]

^^^ So then it's EJ's fault??

^^^Caution: Children at play.

[fishercob]

New article on the Wiz site on Javale. Put some meat on your bones son.
http://www.nba.com/wizards/news/nextbigstep_080729.html

This caught my eye:

With a rising center in Brendan Haywood and young seven-foot talent in Blatche and Oleksiy Pecherov, McGee finds himself in heavy competition among the Wizards bigs.

No mention of Etan. I assume that its just an oversight by an inexperienced writer, though.

[doclinkin]

http://www.nba.com/media/wizards/mcgee_080730_4.jpg

He's got some pipes on him and will build muscle up top, but DANG them's some skinny calves and ankles. I haven't seen ankles that skinny since --um-- Antawn Jamison. No wonder he has trouble holding position in the paint, dude is top-heavy, ready to topple over at any second.

[WizarDynasty]

http://www.nba.com/media/wizards/mcgee_080730_4.jpg

He's got some pipes on him and will build muscle up top, but DANG them's some skinny calves and ankles. I haven't seen ankles that skinny since --um-- Antawn Jamison. No wonder he has trouble holding position in the paint, dude is top-heavy, ready to topple over at any second.

Its really those gigantic hands that he has....that's the attribute that the greatest players ever have all had.

[Wiz99]

Just saw this is from a couple weeks back - post-Vegas analysis of JaVale's D. It's a pretty damning play-by-play tracking of where he was, what he did, and the conclusion was JaVale screwed up on 26 out of 52 defensive plays that occurred while he was out there.

In other words, the kid has NO IDEA what he's doing out there on D, and he was a total liability.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2008/7/15 ... cking-java

[closg00]

Just saw this is from a couple weeks back - post-Vegas analysis of JaVale's D. It's a pretty damning play-by-play tracking of where he was, what he did, and the conclusion was JaVale screwed up on 26 out of 52 defensive plays that occurred while he was out there.

In other words, the kid has NO IDEA what he's doing out there on D, and he was a total liability.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2008/7/15 ... cking-java

Yeah, we kicked this one around a few weeks ago. McGee's rawness is probably why Philly & Indiana passed on him and drafted Speights & Hibbert instead. I really hope that they send him to the D-League for playing time instead having him warm the bench. McGee needs serious playing time and coaching while he fills out that stick frame.

[closg00]

McGee hitting a club and drinking under-age, I thought he was being supervised
http://dcfab.blogspot.com/2008/08/spott ... oppin.html

[DCZards]

closg00 wrote:

Ricky Rubio, Youngest Pro-Ready Player Ever. 17 years old

More ready to play pro than Lebron was at 17? I'll believe it when I see it.

[closg00]

closg00 wrote:

Ricky Rubio, Youngest Pro-Ready Player Ever. 17 years old

More ready to play pro than Lebron was at 17? I'll believe it when I see it.

I said Youngest, not best. Rubio was playing pro-ball at 15, the youngest in pro-basetball history, LeBron was drafted at 18.