Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 3

Kanyewest · Post #321 » by **Kanyewest** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:16 am

dckingsfan wrote:Williams, Livingston
Johnson, Terry
Pierce, Kirilenko
Garnett, Blatche, Teletovic
Lopez, Plumlee

And Reggie Evans

Liverbird · Post #322 » by **Liverbird** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:59 am

I don't know if they'll be able to run with some of the elite teams over a 7 game series. They'll be pretty good over the course of the season, but man they're old.

Kanyewest · Post #323 » by **Kanyewest** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:09 am

Liverbird wrote:I don't know if they'll be able to run with some of the elite teams over a 7 game series. They'll be pretty good over the course of the season, but man they're old.

They should have more problems in the regular season with back to back. In the playoffs, they at least have 1-2 days off in between games. They could be interesting if KG and Pierce can still maintain their level of play and save themselves for the playoffs. I'm curious to see what kind of coach Jason Kidd is.

Illuminaire · Post #324 » by **Illuminaire** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:21 am

I'll give NJ credit for going all the way. They've put all their chips in the middle, and as long as they make it to the offseason with most of their top 5 intact, they will be a fringe contender.

It's not sustainable, and their window will close quickly... but they're in the hunt for real now. They go six deep with B+ or better players, and their bench is pretty solid. They'll need smart coaching and they need to find an identity, but they should be able to play with anyone.

FAH1223 · Post #325 » by **FAH1223** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:26 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Williams, Livingston
Johnson, Terry
Pierce, Kirilenko
Garnett, Blatche, Teletovic
Lopez, Plumlee

And Reggie Evans

They have enough in terms of rim protection

They can probably push MIA to 7 games provided they are healthy.

dckingsfan · Post #326 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:55 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Williams, Livingston
Johnson, Terry
Pierce, Kirilenko
Garnett, Blatche, Teletovic
Lopez, Plumlee

And Reggie Evans

I think Evans was part of the trade

Jay81 · Post #327 » by **Jay81** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:12 pm

Dat2U wrote:Looking at what other teams in the East did like Cleveland, Atlanta & Milwaukee makes me wonder if the Wizards are really a lock like some folks are saying they are. The depth in the front court and at PG worries me. I think all things being equal (read: health), the Wizards would make the playoffs but that turns out never to be the case.

Missing the playoffs again wouldnt be the worst thing in the world. Ernie would get canned and we would have a lottery pick. If we miss the playoffs, it will likely be due to injuries to key players and if that is the reason, i could really see a 28-54 type season if there are major injuries.

Which there will be

deneem4 · Post #328 » by **deneem4** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:12 pm

Nets will succeed because of deron williams and brook lopez...brooke lopez is the best scoring center in the nba right now...with garnett next to him is only matches by marc and zack....
Deron williams is also still at top pg...something miami have problems with....pierce and johnson is essentially the same player...if theyre off theyre OFF...if theyre on theyre ON....so it would be interesting to see what they can do...not worrying about them meshing...remember when ray and garnett came they won a championship...

Bobcats....need to sign monta ellis, and trade henderson to the kings or something for another sf or something...ellis will really help walker improve his game...no matter how you feel about ellis he average 20/6/4/2stls at 40% give him a 2 yr contract with Jefferson at 9mil...

pancakes3 · Post #329 » by **pancakes3** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:21 pm

Call me crazy but that team is good enough to win it all. It's really not significantly less talented than the '08 celtics team and the bench is arguably better. It'll be very interesting to watch them compete, especially since it seems like everyone forgot that Deron Williams is actually a VERY good player. In fact, if Garnett can keep it going, I don't see too much of a difference between them and the Spurs as far as far as contender status is concerned.

edit to add:

deneem4 wrote:Nets will succeed because of deron williams and brook lopez...b

I think KG is a bigger determinant of the Nets' success than Lopez.

Jay81 wrote:Missing the playoffs again wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Ernie would get canned and we would have a lottery pick. If we miss the playoffs, it will likely be due to injuries to key players and if that is the reason, i could really see a 28-54 type season if there are major injuries.

I think the only injury that would keep us from getting to the playoffs would be John Wall or Nene. I don't think Wall is a risk but Nene definitely is. I bet the other GMs are laughing their butts off at our frontcourt roster. So many power forwards and yet no power forwards.

FAH1223 · Post #330 » by **FAH1223** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:37 pm

pancakes3 wrote:I think the only injury that would keep us from getting to the playoffs would be John Wall or Nene. I don't think Wall is a risk but Nene definitely is. I bet the other GMs are laughing their butts off at our frontcourt roster. So many power forwards and yet no power forwards.

We have 3 Centers and no legitimately NBA caliber PF on the roster right now.

Dat2U · Post #331 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:39 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Williams, Livingston
Johnson, Terry
Pierce, Kirilenko
Garnett, Blatche, Teletovic
Lopez, Plumlee

And Reggie Evans

I think Evans was part of the trade

He was in early versions of the deal but was later removed. Nets roster is actually:

PG Williams / Livingston / Taylor
SG Johnson / Terry
SF Pierce / Kirilenko
PF Garnett / Evans / Teletovic
CE Lopez / Blatche / Plumlee

Post #332 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:07 pm

^ Man, that would have been a dream team in like 2008. LOL

Seriously, though, they're pretty deep. And I would expect them to to use KG/AK47/PP in the frontcourt together to close games, which isn't anything to sniff at.

Kanyewest · Post #333 » by **Kanyewest** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:48 pm

LyricalRico wrote:^ Man, that would have been a dream team in like 2008. LOL

Seriously, though, they're pretty deep. And I would expect them to to use KG/AK47/PP in the frontcourt together to close games, which isn't anything to sniff at.

They could do that but they also have Brook Lopez- it might depend on the match up and who has it going on that particular night.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #334 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:53 pm

Dat2U wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
I think Evans was part of the trade

He was in early versions of the deal but was later removed. Nets roster is actually:

PG Williams / Livingston / Taylor
SG Johnson / Terry
SF Pierce / Kirilenko
PF Garnett / Evans / Teletovic
CE Lopez / Blatche / Plumlee

Even Mason Plumlee is no slouch -- He's a monster on the boards, already.

The only thing I don't like is the lack of athletic wing defenders. The SG and SF positions are collectively a bit too old to defend the quickest athletes.

Team chemistry and minutes could be a concern.

This is a good team for someone like Phil Jackson to take over. There are egos that will need to be suppressed and the team blended. Stars will have to accept lesser roles, while at the same time they will all have to buy in defensively.

dckingsfan · Post #335 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:59 pm

Dat2U wrote:He was in early versions of the deal but was later removed. Nets roster is actually:

PG Williams / Livingston / Taylor
SG Johnson / Terry
SF Pierce / Kirilenko
PF Garnett / Evans / Teletovic
CE Lopez / Blatche / Plumlee

Wow, that is pretty damn strong... look for them to add a couple of Guards although there isn't much left at this point.

dckingsfan · Post #336 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:00 pm

And I think Jason Kidd will be able to get through to this group - but that is just a guess.

Kanyewest · Post #337 » by **Kanyewest** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:38 pm

pancakes3 wrote:Call me crazy but that team is good enough to win it all. It's really not significantly less talented than the '08 celtics team and the bench is arguably better. It'll be very interesting to watch them compete, especially since it seems like everyone forgot that Deron Williams is actually a VERY good player. In fact, if Garnett can keep it going, I don't see too much of a difference between them and the Spurs as far as far as contender status is concerned.

edit to add:

deneem4 wrote:Nets will succeed because of deron williams and brook lopez...b

I think KG is a bigger determinant of the Nets' success than Lopez.

Jay81 wrote:Missing the playoffs again wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Ernie would get canned and we would have a lottery pick. If we miss the playoffs, it will likely be due to injuries to key players and if that is the reason, i could really see a 28-54 type season if there are major injuries.

I think the only injury that would keep us from getting to the playoffs would be John Wall or Nene. I don't think Wall is a risk but Nene definitely is. I bet the other GMs are laughing their butts off at our frontcourt roster. So many power forwards and yet no power forwards.

Brooklyn's bench is good but that Celtics bench in 2008 was something else. Tony Allen was a good lock down defender. James Posey was still really good as a 3 and defense role player coming from that Miami team that won a championship in 2006. They had a couple young bigs that were effective including Glen Davis and Leon Powe. Eddie House was a guy could could get hot from 3. To top it off, then they picked up veterans like Sam Cassell and PJ Brown who were pretty effective in the playoffs. Plus they had Scalabrine!

I agree that KG may play a bigger role in Brooklyn's success because he is a better two way player- it will be interesting to see if he can still maintain his level of play for one more season.

Jay81 · Post #338 » by **Jay81** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:36 pm

I think I want Miami to win the title next year....then no way Lebron leaves...and cleveland misses out. I really dont want the cavs to get him back

Post #339 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:46 pm

Jay81 wrote:I think I want Miami to win the title next year....then no way Lebron leaves...and cleveland misses out. I really dont want the cavs to get him back

My gut says he will leave - and wants to catch up to Wade in number of championships. I got the feeling they're not as tight as they used to be, and there's a bit of subtle friction. It's nowhere near the Kobe/Shaq friction, but I think it's enough for him to want to show he can win a championship without DWade and Bosh.

Kanyewest · Post #340 » by **Kanyewest** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:59 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Jay81 wrote:I think I want Miami to win the title next year....then no way Lebron leaves...and cleveland misses out. I really dont want the cavs to get him back

My gut says he will leave - and wants to catch up to Wade in number of championships. I got the feeling they're not as tight as they used to be, and there's a bit of subtle friction. It's nowhere near the Kobe/Shaq friction, but I think it's enough for him to want to show he can win a championship without DWade and Bosh.

LeBron has 2 finals MVPs compared to one with Wade. The big thing is if Wade can still be a top caliber player IMO. Anyways, even if LeBron doesn't opt out in 2014, he can still opt out in 2015. I'm not sure how that effects Cleveland's cap situation.