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Official Thread - Wiz at T'Wolves (12/27/13)

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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at T'Wolves (12/27/13) 

Post#321 » by montestewart » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:01 am

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GhostsOfGil wrote:Weak east may end up being a true blessing. Wiz make the playoffs with 32 wins and keep their draft pick. :pray:


I don't think that is possible.

Agreed. I think making the playoffs surrenders the pick regardless of record. Playoff teams ranked 15-30 in the draft, right?. However, I do think they could make the playoffs with a 32-50 record. Rather than a true blessing, this could be the worst scenario: a horrible team, with no 1st round pick, and what if making the playoffs was the stated criterion for the EGhead's continued employment? Yikes!
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Post#322 » by hands11 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:14 am

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... e-12-27-13

Randy would make a great analyst. He seems to be observing the same thing we do. But he is the coach. We are fans. He is supposed to have the ability to affect these things. :roll:

Why do they have these relapses and not playing their concepts at all? Again.
Why are not not attacking the basket?

We see them not doing it also Randy. Why can't you get them to do it ?
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Post#323 » by hands11 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:17 am

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hands11 wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:Weak east may end up being a true blessing. Wiz make the playoffs with 32 wins and keep their draft pick. :pray:


I don't think that is possible.

Agreed. I think making the playoffs surrenders the pick regardless of record. Playoff teams ranked 15-30 in the draft, right?. However, I do think they could make the playoffs with a 32-50 record. Rather than a true blessing, this could be the worst scenario: a horrible team, with no 1st round pick, and what if making the playoffs was the stated criterion for the EGhead's continued employment? Yikes!


While the stated goal, I don't think making the playoff at 32-50 would save EGs hind end. It would be good bye and thanks for all the fish.
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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at T'Wolves (12/27/13) 

Post#324 » by jangles86 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:46 am

Cannot believe we traded our first round pick this year. Disgraceful
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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at T'Wolves (12/27/13) 

Post#325 » by dlts20 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:11 pm

am I the only one who thinks the injury could be overstated? I missed most of the game last night so Im just now hearing of this. Even from what Ive read in articles & post to me it seems more of one of those injuries that just hurt very bad when it happens but you are fine 20min later. Then seeing the video I kinda feel the same. I dont think there is a tear. Maybe a sprain which is bad in itself but I also wouldnt be shocked if he played by Wednesday and maybe even tonight as crazy as it sounds. The knee is weird, kinda like the funny bone.

It can be a nerve thing, very painful, and you can be in shock just because you are so afraid and you know that is a crucial area. Then an hour later you calm way down. The next morning you are still a lil nervous and test it slowly like a grandma. By 3 hours later you are running & jumping like nothing happened. I wouldnt be shocked if he played and if he does play then you can book us a W just for the fact that he was scared to death almost 24hrs prior. He will be so happy and feeling like he got a 2nd chance that he will play great like the NY game and the rest of the team will be happy for him and also play well.

I could be crazy and it could be very bad but I dont see him out more than a week and I wouldnt be shocked if he went tonight. As ususal though, it still doesnt mean that our coach isnt a total idiot. He sucks and his system sucks.
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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at T'Wolves (12/27/13) 

Post#326 » by dckingsfan » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:32 pm

Upon further review - the thing I most disliked about last night's game was Wall willing to settle. He settled for the jumper, he settled in hitting his teammates for jumpers. IMO, he needed to be in attach mode the entire game for us to have a chance.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =400489304

On the other side of the ball, their PGs were constantly getting in the lane and causing havoc.

In my mind, that (and Kevin Love) were the difference.
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Post#327 » by hands11 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:22 pm

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TGW wrote:I'll predict a loss—I think double digits this time. They're going to bully us inside.


Love and Pekovic are likely to brutalize Booker and Gortat. Nene is on a minutes restriction.

Brewer is long and will run Trevor A down in the corner. That mean Trevor A will have to put the ball on the floor more and drive into the paint, where Pekovic is lurking.

Martin is also long so he is going to run at Beal and on offense, he has a quick release. Bradley is going to have to D up and find some space mid range on pull ups after he puts the ball on the floor.

That leaves Wall on the perimeter against Rubio where he has the advantage, but that's also why Wall was jacking outside shots last time. And that didn't go so well. 5-17

Like it or not, they have to drive to the hole and get their front court in foul trouble.

Where we have the advantage is our 2nd line up with Webster and Nene. Temple can D up JJ. But Webster and Nene are going to have to do a lot of damage. And they will need Kevin to keep up his recent good play.

If they start Booker, I expect us to be down in 8 minutes into the first.

Game Flow last meeting.
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Box Score.
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489029

Ves played well last game. And we had no Trevor A

Last game we were down 7 after the first quarter and down 12 at the half. But a big 3rd quarter. 30 pts.


Well I we missed the down 7 after the first quarter part, but everything else fell into place. We looked good for about 4 minutes to start the game, then poof. But we made up for not down 7 in the first by going down 14 by halftime. Repeat of last game only no huge 3rd quarter. Mostly because we didn't have Nene out there with Gortat. We had not Kevin S to turn to to help body Pek. And Randy didn't turn to Ves's length to see if that would help. Instead we got the barely 6-8 Booker. With no Kevin S to turn to, he either had to start Nene or start Ves.

Pek and Love 43 pts 21 rebounds 15 FTAs 66 mins
Gortat and Booker 18 pts, 16 rebounds, 2 FTAs, 51 mins
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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at T'Wolves (12/27/13) 

Post#328 » by Upper Decker » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:25 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Upon further review - the thing I most disliked about last night's game was Wall willing to settle. He settled for the jumper, he settled in hitting his teammates for jumpers. IMO, he needed to be in attach mode the entire game for us to have a chance.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =400489304

On the other side of the ball, their PGs were constantly getting in the lane and causing havoc.

In my mind, that (and Kevin Love) were the difference.

It's tough faulting Wall for this loss. He was clearly the only player who came to play for Washington. When he'd drive he would get bottled up by their help defense or get fouled and no call would be made. Regarding their PG's, Washington has no help defenders. Do you honestly expect Gortat to rotate and help with Wall's man off dribble penetration? Come on!
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Post#329 » by dckingsfan » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:17 pm

Upper Decker wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Upon further review - the thing I most disliked about last night's game was Wall willing to settle. He settled for the jumper, he settled in hitting his teammates for jumpers. IMO, he needed to be in attach mode the entire game for us to have a chance.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =400489304

On the other side of the ball, their PGs were constantly getting in the lane and causing havoc.

In my mind, that (and Kevin Love) were the difference.

It's tough faulting Wall for this loss. He was clearly the only player who came to play for Washington. When he'd drive he would get bottled up by their help defense or get fouled and no call would be made. Regarding their PG's, Washington has no help defenders. Do you honestly expect Gortat to rotate and help with Wall's man off dribble penetration? Come on!


Two things, Thing one: I didn't think Wall lost the game - I thought that was the inferior play of our wings where we should have dominated.

Thing two: It was just the thing I disliked about the game - Wall not continually probing and attacking like their PGs. Sometimes they would try to penetrate two or three times before they actually got in the lane.

And yes, help D is difficult especially when Love sets the screen - he is soooooo dangerous.
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Post#330 » by dlts20 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:27 pm

2 things regarding Wall's penetration. Its much easier for the Wolves when they have a stretch 4. The lane is not nearly as open for Wall. Part 2 is that Ive said a million times that our system sucks for guys penetrating. Wall can only do it because of skill. The system is not setup for it. Its a jump shooting system. IDK why everyone assumes Wall is average at the p&r or that every p&r system is the same. Its not.

Flip & Witt dont teach the bigs to set the screens the same way. Its not an attacking system. Its setup for the PG to go horizontal, not North & South. Its setup for the PG to always either pass it back or pull up for a midrange J. Its not setup to attack. Thats why I keep saying that Wall would look 10x better in a system like OKC. Its not just the players, its the system. Even the one SVG use to run with Wade and there are alot of other teams who run the attacking version. We dont.

Youve never seen Flip's or Witt's PG's dominate the lane. Now this is not to totally excuse Wall. Its clear that he's like a kid in a candy store with his J. He's been such a terrible shooter for so long that now he thinks he has practied non stop and has hit a few J's that its what he mostly always wants to do. I think he will be more aggressive tonight
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Post#331 » by hands11 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:47 pm

dlts20 wrote:2 things regarding Wall's penetration. Its much easier for the Wolves when they have a stretch 4. The lane is not nearly as open for Wall. Part 2 is that Ive said a million times that our system sucks for guys penetrating. Wall can only do it because of skill. The system is not setup for it. Its a jump shooting system. IDK why everyone assumes Wall is average at the p&r or that every p&r system is the same. Its not.

Flip & Witt dont teach the bigs to set the screens the same way. Its not an attacking system. Its setup for the PG to go horizontal, not North & South. Its setup for the PG to always either pass it back or pull up for a midrange J. Its not setup to attack. Thats why I keep saying that Wall would look 10x better in a system like OKC. Its not just the players, its the system. Even the one SVG use to run with Wade and there are alot of other teams who run the attacking version. We dont.

Youve never seen Flip's or Witt's PG's dominate the lane. Now this is not to totally excuse Wall. Its clear that he's like a kid in a candy store with his J. He's been such a terrible shooter for so long that now he thinks he has practied non stop and has hit a few J's that its what he mostly always wants to do. I think he will be more aggressive tonight


Can we break out the " We want a new offense " head bags already. Or "we want a new coach" because Randy is so stupid he can't get out of his own way.

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Was that for real ? Did he really get face planted by a basketball? Is that how little he knows what is actually going on? With his arms crossed no less. Talk about slow reaction time. He should have been fired before the next game if that really happened. Then we could get this.

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Yeah. That's right Randy. YOU ARE FIRED.

Come on. You'll got Dray booted. Do something. I hate this offense. No body drives. Everyone looks like pssys. MJ would look like Jarvis in this offense. If it wasn't for Nene doing the 5 pivot post move we would have no inside game at all. And if I see Wall run around the baseline one more time only to get the ball right back where he started, I'm going postal. I know the play is designed to rub off players and start the offense. It just looks really inefficient. I saw Parker do it and he ended up at the basket.

Its not like Wall is Rip or Reggie Miller doing it and when he gets to the end he is going to rise up for a 12 foot bucket because he is a HOF sharp shooter.

The system seems dumb except for when they are fast breaking and Nene has it going, and the wings are open for 3 balls. I want to see an attacking offense. I want DUNKS. Hell, Ves could even score in an attacking offense. Move the players toward the Fing baskets. That's where the ball needs to go. That's where the fouls are. Hell, Ves could be Vanchise in a different system.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dmv1p1otqo[/youtube]

Kevin could actually be a good player. Who the F would know? They aren't jump shooters. What might Booker look like in a different offense? Dominique? LOL

I would rather they have no offense like back in the Gil days. Just let Wall do whatever. Do a Fing weave for 10 seconds first.

GET US A NEW COACH. I WANT A NEW OFFENSE. YOU"LL ARE THE BEST WHINERS IN THE LEAGUE. GET IT DONE.

I would trade this team, coach, players, GM... the whole thing for what Boston or Utah has right now. Time to dump Randy Mr Ted. Because when you start losing a fan like me, you are in trouble. Time to sound the sirens.
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Post#332 » by dlts20 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:18 pm

hands, stop acting like a Coach has no resposibility in the process. He's an average coach at best. Our talent is better than you suggest and we are winning in spite of him on most nights. You act like a coach makes no difference or that Witt is just as good as the elite coaches. He's not and he has no pedigree to fall back on. He's been garbage and axed everywhere. Ive also been saying this. Its not new for me
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Post#333 » by dobrojim » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:24 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Upon further review - the thing I most disliked about last night's game was Wall willing to settle. He settled for the jumper, he settled in hitting his teammates for jumpers. IMO, he needed to be in attach mode the entire game for us to have a chance.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =400489304

On the other side of the ball, their PGs were constantly getting in the lane and causing havoc.

In my mind, that (and Kevin Love) were the difference.


We lost the game because we didn't stop them on defense.
They shot nearly 50%, outrebounded us and committed a very low
number of TOs. They scored like 120 pts. Our offense wasn't that bad.
We just never stopped them.

Wall did fine. 11-20/7 dimes.
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Post#334 » by hands11 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:30 pm

dlts20 wrote:hands, stop acting like a Coach has no resposibility in the process. He's an average coach at best. Our talent is better than you suggest and we are winning in spite of him on most nights. You act like a coach makes no difference or that Witt is just as good as the elite coaches. He's not and he has no pedigree to fall back on. He's been garbage and axed everywhere. Ive also been saying this. Its not new for me


You are kidding right ?

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Post#335 » by dlts20 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:51 pm

hands11 wrote:
dlts20 wrote:hands, stop acting like a Coach has no resposibility in the process. He's an average coach at best. Our talent is better than you suggest and we are winning in spite of him on most nights. You act like a coach makes no difference or that Witt is just as good as the elite coaches. He's not and he has no pedigree to fall back on. He's been garbage and axed everywhere. Ive also been saying this. Its not new for me


You are kidding right ?

Fixed.

my bad. I skimmed through it. I thought you were saying the players are the reason we are garbage, we are still better than teams like Boston & Utah so it could be worst, and that we as fans are whiners. I reread it though and laughed.....lol
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Post#336 » by Jimmy Recard » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:15 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Upon further review - the thing I most disliked about last night's game was Wall willing to settle. He settled for the jumper, he settled in hitting his teammates for jumpers. IMO, he needed to be in attach mode the entire game for us to have a chance.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =400489304

On the other side of the ball, their PGs were constantly getting in the lane and causing havoc.

In my mind, that (and Kevin Love) were the difference.

If we're gonna criticize Wall, it was his defense that let him down yesterday. I want him to be more aggressive offensively too (same for Beal), but his D has been pretty inconsistent this season.
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Post#337 » by Calinks » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:25 pm

Illmatic21 wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:What I'd do to get Kevin Love here.

I've been fantasizing about the same thing lately. Even Wolves fans will admit that there's basically no chance he stays in Minnesota with how the franchise has mistreated him.

Love is destroying nightly against double and triple-teams (because teams don't bother guarding Rubio and/or Brewer). Imagine what he'd do in Washington with a superior point guard and upgraded shooters. He's exactly the #1 option Washington needs next to Wall.

And the guy is just 25 years old. Wizards with Love/Wall (I would give up Beal for him), a defensive C, and shooters would be contenders in the East for years. Especially after Miami breaks up and Indiana can no longer pay all their guys.

Granted, it seem likely that he ends up with the Lakers. He has LA ties and I really don't see him turning down the chance to be a superstar in a major market.

But I wonder if he'd be enticed by the prospect of an easier road to the Finals by coming out East.


I think he can be a number 1 option guy but he would have to have a really good team behind him for that. IMO Love is best suited as a proflic number 2 scoring option. Ideally a great scoring wing to pair him with. End game situations, Love has trouble finding great looks that a great scoring wing would be able to manufacture themselves.
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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at T'Wolves (12/27/13) 

Post#338 » by queridiculo » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:01 pm

dobrojim wrote:
We lost the game because we didn't stop them on defense.
They shot nearly 50%, outrebounded us and committed a very low
number of TOs. They scored like 120 pts. Our offense wasn't that bad.
We just never stopped them.

Wall did fine. 11-20/7 dimes.


Also tough to win the game when the other team gets to the free-throw line 38 times.
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Post#339 » by hands11 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:41 pm

queridiculo wrote:
dobrojim wrote:
We lost the game because we didn't stop them on defense.
They shot nearly 50%, outrebounded us and committed a very low
number of TOs. They scored like 120 pts. Our offense wasn't that bad.
We just never stopped them.

Wall did fine. 11-20/7 dimes.


Also tough to win the game when the other team gets to the free-throw line 38 times.


The offense is this bad..

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Post#340 » by Kanyewest » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:17 pm

So now we can find better cheerleaders than the Bulls ones? Or do we go back to the puppies?

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