Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

payitforward · Post #321 » by **payitforward** » Thu Apr 2, 2015 2:08 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Dat2U wrote:If Ernie is here two years from now we may get to a point where were forced to trade John Wall.

Yup. And when you're forced to trade someone, you get less for him.

Ernie is adept at this process.

You mean you didn't like the trade that sent Vesely, plus a second round pick, plus burn-the-BAE Eric Maynor for Andre Miller?

Truly a triumph, that one.

And of course most people don't understand that Denver was *eager* to get Miller out of town -- he'd had a big conflict w/ the coach and wasn't playing -- yet we still had to give them a R2 pick in the deal.

Why? Because Ernie was paying them to make his draft mistake (Vesely) disappear. Not to mention his FA mistake (Maynor -- although that was the Philly part of the deal).

Post #322 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Thu Apr 2, 2015 2:34 pm

Wall is about to become a bargain. He signed his max deal under the old TV contract. When the cap kicks up, he's going to abruptly go from fairly paid to underpaid -- for a couple years anyway. That's even if he doesn't improve, and he has MUCH room for improvement.

Post #323 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Apr 2, 2015 3:29 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Dat2U wrote:If Ernie is here two years from now we may get to a point where were forced to trade John Wall.

Yup. And when you're forced to trade someone, you get less for him.

Ernie is adept at this process.

You mean you didn't like the trade that sent Vesely, plus a second round pick, plus burn-the-BAE Eric Maynor for Andre Miller?

And Miller became Sessions, who inspired the need for Will Bynum...

Ernie really did Ernie.

One thing for sure is that Ernie gonna Ernie.

He Ernied all over the front yard on that series of movements.

Dat2U · Post #324 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Apr 2, 2015 3:42 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:Wall is about to become a bargain. He signed his max deal under the old TV contract. When the cap kicks up, he's going to abruptly go from fairly paid to underpaid -- for a couple years anyway. That's even if he doesn't improve, and he has MUCH room for improvement.

At some point in the near future, especially if the Wizards find their Steve Kerr, Wall will be on the same tier as Curry, Paul & Westbrook.

closg00 · Post #325 » by **closg00** » Thu Apr 2, 2015 4:11 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
payitforward wrote:Yup. And when you're forced to trade someone, you get less for him.

Ernie is adept at this process.

You mean you didn't like the trade that sent Vesely, plus a second round pick, plus burn-the-BAE Eric Maynor for Andre Miller?

And Miller became Sessions, who inspired the need for Will Bynum...

Ernie really did Ernie.

One thing for sure is that Ernie gonna Ernie.

He Ernied all over the front yard on that series of movements.

... And this the "improved" Ernie, up from 26 to 20 in the ESPN rankings :lol:

payitforward · Post #326 » by **payitforward** » Thu Apr 2, 2015 10:41 pm

closg00 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
You mean you didn't like the trade that sent Vesely, plus a second round pick, plus burn-the-BAE Eric Maynor for Andre Miller?

And Miller became Sessions, who inspired the need for Will Bynum...

Ernie really did Ernie.

One thing for sure is that Ernie gonna Ernie.

He Ernied all over the front yard on that series of movements.

... And this the "improved" Ernie, up from 26 to 20 in the ESPN rankings

Yep, Ramon Sessions was, if I remember right, the #57 pick in the draft; he's never been anything special, and whatever he was is in the past not the present and certainly not in his future.

Ernie turned a #6 pick in the draft, his personally-chosen-&-obviously-best-choice FA backup point guard, and a R2 pick into Ramon Sessions.

On the other hand, it's only fair to say that Sessions is playing *a lot* better for us than he did for the Kings. As good as Miller? No. But definitely better than he had been. And, he's giving us a few more minutes than Miller too.

So, on its own Miller for Sessions hasn't been a disaster... yet. That'll come next year when Miller would have been gone, but Sessions will be on the roster taking up space that should go to a young player with an upside.

Dark Faze · Post #327 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 12:11 pm

A Suns fan said he'd do Bledsoe for Beal straight up. I still want to see what Brad can do with a new coach...but I'm not sure. I think gun to my head I'd do it....but I'd feel uneasy. Still..Bledsoe excites me. What do you guys think?

thricethefun · Post #328 » by **thricethefun** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 5:36 pm

I would probably do that trade. I think playing with Wall could make Bledsoe into an all-star. We need to surround Wall with talent while he is still in his prime rather than pray that Beal develops when he hasn't shown it.

Dat2U · Post #329 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 6:16 pm

I'm ambivalent on Bledsoe. He & Wall are too much alike and neither is a great long range shooter. Plus Bledsoe has an extensive injury history himself. Bledsoe, like Wall is a potential game changer defensively so they could create havoc for opponents but I think the Wall/Beal combo offers better balance long term.

Dark Faze · Post #330 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 7:43 pm

I don't see them as being alike at all. Bledsoe is just a flat out scorer. He can create his own shot, spot up, and drive. He's not really a PG. He's the very definition of a combo guy, and he's got all-star offensive potential that he could still tap into.

Beal has potential too, but he's a shooter trying to develop into a combo guard right now.

FAH1223 · Post #331 » by **FAH1223** » Sat Apr 4, 2015 7:44 pm

Dark Faze wrote:I don't see them as being alike at all. Bledsoe is just a flat out scorer. He can create his own shot, spot up, and drive. He's not really a PG. He's the very definition of a combo guy, and he's got all-star offensive potential that he could still tap into.

Beal has potential too, but he's a shooter trying to develop into a combo guard right now.

Bledsoe's knees are a ticking time bomb.

gambitx777 · Post #332 » by **gambitx777** » Sat Apr 4, 2015 9:46 pm

If wittman would use Beal correctly and nurture his natural talents and strengths we would have the best back court in the league. Wall/Bledsoe or Blessoe/Beal would not be better than Wall/Beal with a good HC.

theboomking · Post #333 » by **theboomking** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 1:47 am

Bledsoe's injury history is more frightening and Beal is 4 years younger. I would pass on that trade.

queridiculo · Post #334 » by **queridiculo** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 11:38 am

Beal is the only asset Washington has outside of Wall. The only way I'd involve him in a deal is for a considerably better prospect.

Bledsoe doesn't fit the bill. He's older, smaller, less versatile and just a flat out poor fit to play alongside Wall.

queridiculo · Post #335 » by **queridiculo** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 2:38 pm

With crazy money looming in 2016/17, is there really a chance that Love would opt out for free agency this upcoming season?

I very much doubt it.

Assuming a doomed playoff run for the Cavs, an ineffective outing for Love and continued rumblings about discord between him James, would the Cavs do the unthinkable and entertain a trade within the Eastern Conference?

Nene, filler, and a couple of firsts for Love perhaps?

Dark Faze · Post #336 » by **Dark Faze** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 7:52 pm

I understand that Bledsoe may not be worth dealing for, but this idea that combo guards who can do a lot with the ball in their hands being poor fit with Wall is a fallacy that needs to be stomped out. Wall can play off ball well, and he'd be complemented by a player who can attack as well as create.

Post #337 » by **nate33** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 7:57 pm

Dark Faze wrote:I understand that Bledsoe may not be worth dealing for, but this idea that combo guards who can do a lot with the ball in their hands being poor fit with Wall is a fallacy that needs to be stomped out. Wall can play off ball well, and he'd be complemented by a player who can attack as well as create.

The ideal player is somebody like Isaiah Thomas - a guy who can shoot to compliment Wall, but also take opponents off the dribble so he can run backup PG and give us a different look when alongside Wall. The price tag on Isaiah was good too.

Man, he would have been such a good fit here!

Post #338 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 8:20 pm

queridiculo wrote:Beal is the only asset Washington has outside of Wall. The only way I'd involve him in a deal is for a considerably better prospect.

Bledsoe doesn't fit the bill. He's older, smaller, less versatile and just a flat out poor fit to play alongside Wall.

It's the other way around. Bledsoe is more versatile - he can play either guard position. When healthy, he's proven to be an elite player who plays much bigger than his height. But I concur with the concerns about his health.

Re Isaiah Thomas - from what I've heard there's a reason he's been under-valued - first with his contract and then with his trade - apparently he's not the most likable guy in the locker room, and teammates aren't thrilled with his playing style.

Dark Faze · Post #339 » by **Dark Faze** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 8:49 pm

I see Tyus Jones as a guy who could develop into a lethal scorer as well and most boards have him available at our slot.

Sluggerface · Post #340 » by **Sluggerface** » Wed Apr 8, 2015 1:23 am

Dark Faze wrote:I see Tyus Jones as a guy who could develop into a lethal scorer as well and most boards have him available at our slot.

Wouldn't mind picking him, I don't think he'll be on the board by then though. Kriss Dunn is projected in the lottery, and outside of the physical profile, he's worse skill wise than Tyus and is less efficient. I can easily see Tyus getting picked as high as 18th.

He's basically a better, younger version of Shabazz Napier