sfam wrote:tontoz wrote:sfam wrote:No, it really isn't. It provides a historical backing. To create a policy as restrictive as this was to "keep us safe" when you haven't looked at any evidence or events in the past year is worse than delusional, its dangerous.
Trump, with that flawed EO sent a clear message across the world that the US is at war with Muslims - that is the impact. It did not make us safer.
And just as an aside, DHS is probably the wrong agency to call on for intel assessments on terrorist activity. If he isn't engaging the National Counter terrorism Center for their assessment and analysis of options, he's doing something wrong.
LMAO there is not statute of limitations on intelligence evidence. Evidence gathered over a year ago is still valid.
The election was in November. He had plenty of time to look at the evidence. That wasn't his problem.
His problem was not consulting with people who probably would have told him that leaving travelers with valid visas stranded at the airport probably wasn't a good idea.
So if I get your reasoning, it was critical for Trump to immediately put a ban on these countries for our security, and this was based on "evidence" from a year ago. You're OK with that approach to protecting the nation?
Believe it or not, there was actually important events that happened in the past year from a counter-terrorism perspective. Its as if its an international crisis - its as if events are happening at a rapid enough pace that its possibly useful to take a look at what transpired over the past year before deciding upon the immediate and critical course to protect the American people.
And no, his team most certainly DID NOT have any time to take a look at the intelligence. They weren't cleared, nor did they ask a question that would prompt a response from the intelligence community. There wasn't communication at all, so what exactly woudl they be looking at? Are you suggesting Bannon and Miller could randomly peruse intelligence assessments to come up with the right policy???
This is fantasy land stuff. Honestly. I get defending your guy, but there becomes a point of diminishing returns. When you are actively arguing that classified intelligence from the past year isn't relevant in creating a strategy to protect the nation from terrorism, we've probably reached the end.
I never said i was ok with Trumps actions. In fact i said specifically that it was poorly handled and unprofessional. RIF.
Trump campaigned on immigration. He met with Obama right after the election. It isn't much of a reach to think that Muslim immigration came up in their lengthy conversations. It was Obama's policy and Trump just piggybacked off it. He knows he can add or subtract countries over time based on new intelligence.
He didn't "have to" give the EO right after he came into office. However the timing of the order wasnt the real problem. It was the execution of the order that was the problem. He and his team obviously didn't think things through. If they had then they would have foreseen the possibility of legal challenges. Their execution was sloppy and impulsive.
It is just a matter of time before they rewrite the order. Then you can whine about it for years. Have fun.
