Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[prime1time]

Of course we'd trade with Philly. & how anyone can think the Sixers don't have the assets to acquire Beal... that beats me! Perhaps they don't want to trade those assets -- but they certainly have them.

We'd trade w/ them or any team, if we thought the trade made us better. Ditto in the other direction. Duh.

I know you don't like "pupu platters," but could we at least send Ernie Grunfeld along with Beal?

What are these assets you refer to? Outside of Embiid, Simmons and Fultz, what is the deal that the 76ers could realistically put together to get Beal? Also assuming they can get Beal without going up any of those 3, please explain to me how the Wizards would be competing with them now that they have Fultz, Beal, Embiid and Simmons? Trades are not just about making your team better. There are also about not helping your key opponents.

But enough of the abstract. What is a realistic deal that the 76ers could put together? Saric, Covington and a 1st round pick? Saric and a 1st rounder? Covington and a first rounder? Philly's picks with Beal in addition to Embiid, Fultz and Simmons will be so low that they lose value. But I'm all ears if you want to try out actual trade scenarios.

The more you put it that way, the more I think Grunfeld will pull the trigger.

Lol. People on this board are always so puzzled as to how Grunfeld stays around. It's because he's tied to the core of Beal, Wall and Porter. As long as that remains viable he'll be around. Barring a trade for a top 5 or top 10 player, Beal, Porter and Wall aren't going anywhere.

[MOrgil]

Wizards should blow up the current team and trade for Kyrie Irving and Jimmy Butler, who reportedly want to play together in the Eastern conference. Wall, Beal, Porter nucleus team is not going to Finals.

[Dark Faze]

need to waive markieff, "loyalty" to him is going to kill our rotations

do the mavs have cap space to absorb a good chunk of his salary?

[WizarDynasty]

The moment we realized that Kieff can't shoot above .485 from the field, that his days of gettting 100 steals or 100 blocks a season are well past him, we should have dropped him at that point of realization.

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The moment we realized that Kieff can't shoot above .485 from the field, that his days of gettting 100 steals or 100 blocks a season are well past him, we should have dropped him at that point of realization.

Uh huh.

In 7 years Kieff has had
483 steals -- average of 69 a year. Most ever was 2014-15 -- 101
& 312 blocks -- under 45 a year

OTOH, his eFG% last year was .536

[payitforward]

Lol. People on this board are always so puzzled as to how Grunfeld stays around. It's because he's tied to the core of Beal, Wall and Porter. As long as that remains viable he'll be around. Barring a trade for a top 5 or top 10 player, Beal, Porter and Wall aren't going anywhere.

Didn't we just see a tweet that Bradley Beal is available at the right price?

Didn't we just see another one that a trade of Wall to the Lakers has been discussed?

You think Beal or Wall would bring a "top 5 or top 10 player?"

[NatP4]

Where did you see a Wall trade rumor?

[prime1time]

Lol. People on this board are always so puzzled as to how Grunfeld stays around. It's because he's tied to the core of Beal, Wall and Porter. As long as that remains viable he'll be around. Barring a trade for a top 5 or top 10 player, Beal, Porter and Wall aren't going anywhere.

Didn't we just see a tweet that Bradley Beal is available at the right price?

Didn't we just see another one that a trade of Wall to the Lakers has been discussed?

You think Beal or Wall would bring a "top 5 or top 10 player?"

I just spent 30 minutes googling trade rumors. It seems like it originated from the Zach Lowe/Brian Windhorst podcast but no local reporters talking about it and no major NBA insiders talk about it I'm skeptical.

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But if you actually listen to the podcast, they aren't talking about rumors. They are trying to use logic to determine the next logical path for the Wiz. Like Lowe said, "There might be like two such deals in the NBA." And it makes sense. What sense does it make for a team that has a player entering there prime and trying to win now to trade that player away for a role player and draft picks? Especially to a direct competitor that's trying to win now. What does make sense is trading Beal away for an emerging star on a rookie contract or a established star on a de facto one year deal.

Regardless, I think trades are much more likely to happen next year, unless a team blows us away. You don't go out and sign all of these free agents and then trade away a core player for a combination that includes draft picks. Either you're trying to win now or you're not.

[Gig18]

Lol. People on this board are always so puzzled as to how Grunfeld stays around. It's because he's tied to the core of Beal, Wall and Porter. As long as that remains viable he'll be around. Barring a trade for a top 5 or top 10 player, Beal, Porter and Wall aren't going anywhere.

Didn't we just see a tweet that Bradley Beal is available at the right price?

Didn't we just see another one that a trade of Wall to the Lakers has been discussed?

You think Beal or Wall would bring a "top 5 or top 10 player?"

I just spent 30 minutes googling trade rumors. It seems like it originated from the Zach Lowe/Brian Windhorst podcast but no local reporters talking about it and no major NBA insiders talk about it I'm skeptical.

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But if you actually listen to the podcast, they aren't talking about rumors. They are trying to use logic to determine the next logical path for the Wiz. Like Lowe said, "There might be like two such deals in the NBA." And it makes sense. What sense does it make for a team that has a player entering there prime and trying to win now to trade that player away for a role player and draft picks? Especially to a direct competitor that's trying to win now. What does make sense is trading Beal away for an emerging star on a rookie contract or a established star on a de facto one year deal.

Regardless, I think trades are much more likely to happen next year, unless a team blows us away. You don't go out and sign all of these free agents and then trade away a core player for a combination that includes draft picks. Either you're trying to win now or you're not.

Exactly. They're postulating, speculating. I haven't seen any rumors that have been sourced or attributed.
It's the NBA. Anyone can be traded. Wilt was traded. Kareem was traded.
But until I see attribution, it sounds like the typical off season guessing games.

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[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Butler for Beal in a NY minute. Please god I don't ask for much!!

Only with an extension. Beal is essentially 4 years younger, too.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Beal for an extended Butler?

Of course.

[FAH1223]

Butler for Beal in a NY minute. Please god I don't ask for much!!

Only with an extension. Beal is essentially 4 years younger, too.

Beal for an extended Butler?

Of course.

Butler tore his meniscus and got it snipped out, came back in 6 weeks

Plus he's 4 years older

Hmm

[Illmatic12]

Butler for Beal in a NY minute. Please god I don't ask for much!!

Only with an extension. Beal is essentially 4 years younger, too.

Beal for an extended Butler?

Of course.

Butler tore his meniscus and got it snipped out, came back in 6 weeks

Plus he's 4 years older

Hmm

Butler for Beal.. NO!

Dude plays about 60 games a season if you're lucky. He's older and relies more on brute athleticism than Brad or even John. I wouldn't want to be the team to give him his next max

[JWizmentality]

Ugh,,,didn't realize he was that old. Thought they were around the same age. Pass.

[pcbothwel]

Ugh,,,didn't realize he was that old. Thought they were around the same age. Pass.

Yeah, He'll be 30 the first month of the 2019 season and the beginning of his next max deal. A little scary.

That said, The history of 2-way wings that score efficiently, rebound, pass, and mitigate turnovers as well as Butler does is quite good in regards to age.

Manu, Pierce, Kobe, MJ, Billups, English, Hornecek, Ray Allen, Drexler, CP3, etc.

[WallToWall]

Reportedly, the Lakers are wanting to build around LBJ with tough players. LBJ sees the evolving of Kobe and Magic's game such that they became more post players later in their career, and he believes his game needs to evolve and that can bring more of a power game to the post. Given LBJ's size, power, and skill set, there's no doubt about that. That said, the Lakers want to build a team of facilitators who can also play perimeter defense. I cant think of a better role for Wall! Wall would excel in that role, as he is a good 1 v 1 defender on the perimeter, and he is a great facilitator. With the Spurs asking for the sky (Kuzma + Ingram + two #1's + swap of picks + more) in a trade for Leonard, and the Lakers more than content to wait it out (sign him next year, if they cant trade), I think Wall is the best target for the Lakers. Looking at the Wizards, there is no way that the team is going to be achieving greater goals than last years team. That means an early exit in the playoffs, at best. I dont think this is going to be looked at a successful season by Wall. He will want to be traded, because his chances to win an NBA championship are lessening as the years go. This is probably the best time for the Wizards to trade Wall, and get something good in return. I think Wall can be traded after Jul 26th (correct me if I am wrong), and that gives the Lakers some time to explore the options before they make a push for him. I can still see Wall + Morris + #1 for Ingram + Kuzma + Deng. Works in the trade checker, FWIW. Wizards could get younger and solidify the backup PF/SF position, and get a starting PG in return. The Wizards can work on drafting a C next year. Retool, and restart...

[nate33]

Reportedly, the Lakers are wanting to build around LBJ with tough players. LBJ sees the evolving of Kobe and Magic's game such that they became more post players later in their career, and he believes his game needs to evolve and that can bring more of a power game to the post. Given LBJ's size, power, and skill set, there's no doubt about that. That said, the Lakers want to build a team of facilitators who can also play perimeter defense. I cant think of a better role for Wall! Wall would excel in that role, as he is a good 1 v 1 defender on the perimeter, and he is a great facilitator. With the Spurs asking for the sky (Kuzma + Ingram + two #1's + swap of picks + more) in a trade for Leonard, and the Lakers more than content to wait it out (sign him next year, if they cant trade), I think Wall is the best target for the Lakers. Looking at the Wizards, there is no way that the team is going to be achieving greater goals than last years team. That means an early exit in the playoffs, at best. I dont think this is going to be looked at a successful season by Wall. He will want to be traded, because his chances to win an NBA championship are lessening as the years go. This is probably the best time for the Wizards to trade Wall, and get something good in return. I think Wall can be traded after Jul 26th (correct me if I am wrong), and that gives the Lakers some time to explore the options before they make a push for him. I can still see Wall + Morris + #1 for Ingram + Kuzma + Deng. Works in the trade checker, FWIW. Wizards could get younger and solidify the backup PF/SF position, and get a starting PG in return. The Wizards can work on drafting a C next year. Retool, and restart...

If the Lakers' ultimate goal is to acquire Kawhi, then they can't trade for Wall first. The problem is, Wall's ballooning contract will make it impossible for them to sign Kawhi next offseason, which destroys their negotiating leverage when trying to lowball the Spurs right now.

This is why I proposed a 3-way trade with Wall and Kawhi going to the Lakers at the same time. But as long as San Antonio intends to hold out and gamble that they can rebuild their relationship with Kawhi, any John Wall deals are off the table.

Oh, and we're not getting Ingram, Kuzma and a #1 for Wall. Not when Wall is about to be paid $42M a year. I think we'll get Lonzo and Deng, and that's it. (We'll also include Jason Smith as filler.)

[Rafael122]

Lowe in his latest article seems to suggest we wouldn't do Beal for Leonard, but Porter/Oubre/picks might get the convo started. I fail to understand why we're never mentioned in potential trades for a superstar like this. We're probably one of maybe 5 teams that can do something.

Porter/Oubre/2019 1st rounder/2021 pick swap (hedging should Kawhi decide to leave we're left with nothing in 2020)/Meeks for Danny Green and Leonard

PG - Wall/Sato
SG - Beal/Rivers/Green
SF - Leonard/Brown
PF - Morris/Smith
C - Howard/Mahinmi/Bryant

[NatP4]

Korver+Hill+Nance for Mahinmi+Rivers+2019 1st

Wall Sato
Beal Korver
Oubre Brown
Porter Green
Howard Nance