Political Roundtable Part XXII

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you damn skippy!!

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how du ju say...ah jyessssssssssssss...GOATah el presidente!!!

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police called to scene. arrest someone. crowd attacks them as person being arrested fully resists.

I personally cant wait until all cops across the nation sit in their cars and refuse to answer a single call for a month. cant effin wait!!

[Wizardspride]

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filthy frickin democrats! why are dems just so damn filthy???

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[Wizardspride]

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police called to scene. arrest someone. crowd attacks them as person being arrested fully resists.

I personally cant wait until all cops across the nation sit in their cars and refuse to answer a single call for a month. cant effin wait!!

Welcome to SD20's America.

#MAGA

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[Dat2U]

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police called to scene. arrest someone. crowd attacks them as person being arrested fully resists.

I personally cant wait until all cops across the nation sit in their cars and refuse to answer a single call for a month. cant effin wait!!

Question. Why even post? 80% here will never read much less acknowledge your posts. One guy agrees on everything you say another partially and the remaining % of open folks probably dismissed you way before I did when you stated you had no problem with old folks dying on the streets b/c we shouldn't guarantee their healthcare because of cost concerns.

What exactly are you trying to accomplish here with you posts other than feeding your ego?

[stilldropin20]

^^^ keep running in small ball circles.

meanwhile:

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[stilldropin20]

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police called to scene. arrest someone. crowd attacks them as person being arrested fully resists.

I personally cant wait until all cops across the nation sit in their cars and refuse to answer a single call for a month. cant effin wait!!

Question. Why even post? 80% here will never read much less acknowledge your posts. One guy agrees on everything you say another partially and the remaining % of open folks probably dismissed you way before I did when you stated you had no problem with old folks dying on the streets b/c we shouldn't guarantee their healthcare because of cost concerns.

What exactly are you trying to accomplish here with you posts other than feeding your ego?

i seek the kind of truth that is only obtained through honest dialogue.

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You really don't wanna defend this guy, do you?

[Jamaaliver]

This thread has gone to some weird places.

[TGW]

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You really don't wanna defend this guy, do you?

Of course STD is going to defend that guy. They're both pompom waiving worshippers.

Oh, and Gillum is going to trash that guy in the general.

[Ruzious]

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police called to scene. arrest someone. crowd attacks them as person being arrested fully resists.

I personally cant wait until all cops across the nation sit in their cars and refuse to answer a single call for a month. cant effin wait!!

Your reaction says a lot more about you than anything else.

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Spot on. The Democratic establishment is rotted trash.

[stilldropin20]

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police called to scene. arrest someone. crowd attacks them as person being arrested fully resists.

I personally cant wait until all cops across the nation sit in their cars and refuse to answer a single call for a month. cant effin wait!!

Your reaction says a lot more about you than anything else.

you can not resist arrest. you can not attack the police.

If....(if being the key word but it does happen)...If the police are being jerks or excessively violent? film it and sue them and protest. Pay out from various police departments are in the millions.

but attacking the police??? seriously?? You know what is going to happen then, right? the police are going to pull out their guns and shoot someone. Then what all out riot? come on buddy. Some common sense will go a long way.

I'm pretty sure that we have all been arrested. When i was in dental school I got my license suspended because i sold a car with my license plate on it and someone else kept getting parking tickets...which amounted to about $1200. It wasn't my fault...and you can bet i was mad as all hell at the "system." But i needed to keep driving due to where i lived, budget, and a sick family member, and other things. So i did. Southern illinois did random road traps/stops back then. I didn't get into a fight. I wasn't speeding. No drugs. No alcohol. I didn't even park my car illegally to get those initial parking tickets.

Was i mad? you bet! Was it unfair? extremely! Did i eventually get mad at the cops? absolutely. One time they arrested me i was on my way to a final exam on a friday and instead of taking my exam and getting on a plane and going to puerto rice with my wife for 3 weeks, I ended up in jail for 3 days...sharing a cell with guys who had beaten up their wives and had snuck drugs into the cell and were smoking crack in the cell right next to me. Was that fair? I was a former Navy Vet. Perfect citizen. Role model in my community. And should have been enjoying the sun in peurto rico.

Instead...after 3 days in jail, I Got out on monday to be told that i failed that exam and therefore the class and had to write a 30 page research paper to make up the class due in 2 weeks!!! as well as retake the exam the following week.

Any of that sound fair to you?? I did not have the money to afford cabs back then. My wife worked and was in grad school. And my license was suspended in chicago due to parking tickets that were from a car that i no longer owned.

Eventually to reverse the 5 arrests for driving on suspended license, i had to file to reopen multiple court cases (over $1000.00) and plead not guilty on all of those arrests and claim my license was unlawfylly suspended the first time. Then stand in line and see 3 different judges in chicago(and successfully argue my cases)...over 3 days and about 5 hours each day. Then file to reopen all the arrests in southern illinois (over 40 hours in driving back and forth) then another 40 hours in court for the 5 arrests...

in total it cost me $3500 in court fees. And over 3 weeks(120 hours of my life) of my time...7 days total spent in a jail cell. And i didn't do a single thing wrong. I didn't even realize my license was actually suspended and what for until the 3rd arrest...when i was in st louis, it took months for the city of chicago to even tell me why they had suspended my license has originally been suspended. Between all the moves and everything it was just a mess and the old system was not online.

Night mare!!! Night effing mare!!!


and I was not nice to the cops arresting me. I didn't resist. But i was MNOT nice. Which made the cops not so nice to me. Squeezing on the cuffs. throwing me back into the car. pushing me around. You bet, I wanted to kick their effin arses!! You bet, i wanted to sue them. You ever eat a bologna sandwich for 3 straight days handed to you by a cop that probably didn't wash his hands!!?? I have! And I really was innocent!!

But imagine if i had resisted arrest?? Imagine if my family starts attacking the cops as they are arresting me??? Most cops will pull out their guns and shoot someone if they get hit in the back of the head while arresting someone.

Thats not the way to protest!! it doesn't work!

At the end of the day...my license really was suspended(however unlawfully). those cops were just doing their job. We need to stop demonizing the police.

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By the way, what is up with this crappy website? I literally can't view it in chrome (on my work laptop where I can't install ad blocker). Can only read this annoying thread on my phone.

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I lurk in this thread; I rarely post. But, I was inspired by the recent situation in Georgia to weigh in.

I currently have a tough time engaging in dialogues about policies with people with conservative views -- at least, until I hear their position on a critical threshold matter. Because, what is the point of entering into a debate on immigration, or tax reform, or gun safety/gun rights, or foreign policy, etc., while there's a faction within the conservative movement that deliberately doing everything they can to disenfranchise groups of people from voting? Especially when their efforts have a disproportionate effect on Black people. And *especially* when that impact is not considered a bug, but a feature:

"In one district, she said that a substantial minority was perfectly able to elect the candidate of their choice. In the second district, the majority agreed with the lower court that the lines had been drawn not on the basis of political affiliation as the Legislature argued, but on the basis of race, which is illegal."

The moment the VRA was partially struck down by SCOTUS in 2013, GOP officials in multiple red states rushed to institute policies to weaken, suppress, and/or otherwise disenfranchise large swaths of the population they seek to govern. Time and time again, in jurisdictions all over Red America, this faction doesn't want to have a debate of ideas and let the voters decide. They're not even content to game the system a little bit using permissible gerrymandering tactics to get a slight edge (which politicians from both parties attempt to do). No, they're willing to strip entire groups of people of their inalienable franchise.

One measurable result: in 2016, in 800 counties covered under the original scope of the VRA, there were (at least) 868 fewer places for citizens to vote -- a 16% reduction. States with a documented track record of voter discrimination closed polling places, despite objections from the groups they were documented to have discriminated against.

And the fact that the rest of the folks in the GOP haven't tossed these "suppressionists" out of the party on their collective cans makes them extremely complicit. It's almost as if democracy -- like so many other government norms -- is only worth if it works to support their agenda, apparently. If not, it can and should be disposed of.

As W's speechwriter David Frum put it: "If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”

As such, if a Republican colleague wants to engage me in a policy debate, or if a GOP candidate wants my vote, the only threshold question they need to answer is what do they think of their party's systemic attempts to make it hard/impossible for people (*especially* Black people) to vote, and what are they doing to stop it.

[Ruzious]

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police called to scene. arrest someone. crowd attacks them as person being arrested fully resists.

I personally cant wait until all cops across the nation sit in their cars and refuse to answer a single call for a month. cant effin wait!!

Your reaction says a lot more about you than anything else.

To be clear, I respect that those policemen didn't deserve to get attacked - even it if was just one attacker who barely kicked one officer twice, and the attacker looked like he was maybe 120 lbs soaking wet and could barely keep his balance when he did "attack". Someohow, I don't think that calls for all policemen to stop answering calls for a month. I think they've been trained to handle that type of behaviour, and it's part of the job - as it always has been.