2020 Draft - Part II

[badinage]

I don’t know about the rest of you, but there’s just not enough deep knee bend talk in this thread for me.

[Shoe]

but is he breaking down the defense in a half court setting and opening up his team mates for easy shots? that's what jokic does. keyword...half court...not fast break. I don't see Poku as point forward pushing the ball down the court which is what the video shows.

Did you watch the video my man? Hes passing from the baseline, elbow, top of the key, cross court, with his back to the basket. And yeah he's not guaranteed to be good and has zero chance to be as good as Jokic. He does though have a height/passing ability comparable to Bam and Jokic.

Don't you compare Achiuwa to Scottie Pippen??? Achiuwa is an energy 4, a screen roller. Pippen as a wing in his early twenties =

Secondly you have showing a clip after being in the league for 2 years under coaching, not his 1st year at arkansas.
https://youtu.be/qchnEgRqb4k
Wow I definitely see alot of Scotty in Achiuwa to be honest after looking at this clip. But Achiuwa also has screen roller ability as 4. Let's hope no savy GM like San Antonio leap frons us like they did with K. Leonard before the singleton pick. Can't make the same mistake twice.
Rui and AChiuwa are nice deadly unstoppable combo that league will fear. That is a fearsome duo. Wall, Beal, Rui, and Achiuwa...matching up with that every night and get run out of the building with fast pace and energy. It's going to be a really fun times in Washington.
As i said before, you don't pass on Pippen...and yes he definitely has screen and roll potential as 4 also. AGain, let's just make sure that Beal and Wall and have done psychological assessments of the kid before we draft.

He is a screen and roll player as 4. Everything else is the potential. I like Achiuwa. For him to get to Pippen on offense would be like Poku gaining 100 lbs and becoming Jokic. Neither is likely but that doesnt mean they can't be good players on their own.

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No Okoro....

Ok here's my final rankings

Tier 1 - None

Tier 2

G LaMelo Ball

Tier 3

G Tyrese Haliburton
G Killian Hayes
C Onyeka Okongwu
C James Wiseman

Tier 4
F Aaron Nesmith
G R.J. Hampton
G Anthony Edwards
C Precious Achiuwa
F Alexsej Pokusevski
F Obi Toppin
F Saddiq Bey
F Patrick Williams

Tier 5
G Malachi Flynn
F Deni Avdija
C Xavier Tillman
G Josh Green
G Cassius Stanley
G Desmond Bane
G Leandro Bolmaro
G Kira Lewis Jr
G Tyrese Maxey

Tier 6
G Payton Pritchard
G Tyrell Terry
F Jaden McDaniels
C Vernon Carey Jr
C Isaiah Stewart
G Cassius Winston
F Tyler Bey
F Devin Vassell
G Theo Maledon
G Tre Jones
G Cole Anthony
C Daniel Oturu
G Devon Dotson
F Paul Reed
C Jalen Smith
F Robert Woodard II

Tier 7
G Markus Howard
F Jordan Nwora
G Nico Mannion
G Jahmi'us Ramsey
G Mason Jones
F Josh Hall
G Grant Riller
F Elijah Hughes
G Immanuel Quickley
G Sam Merrill
C Udoka Azubuike
G Nate Hinton
C Killian Tillie
C Zeke Nnaji
C Reggie Perry
G Isaiah Joe
G Skylar Mays
F Kenyon Martin Jr
C Nathan Knight
F Paul Eboua
G Abdoulaye N'Doye
G Yam Madar
C Marko Simonovic
F Borisa Simanic
G Jay Scrubb
G Justinian Jessup

[DCZards]

My draft predictions for the Zards:

#9 -- Isaac Okoro (assuming Okongwu is gone)
#37 -- Daniel Oturu (rebounds & rim protection)

The Zards will buy at least one second round pick. They'll use the pick to select either Cassius Winston or Immanuel Quickley.

[WizarDynasty]

Having a fractured toe is very scary. I think once Shaq damaged his toe, his entire career declined rapidly. If Onyeka starts feeling pain in his toe every time he does an athletic mood, he won't be the high energy big that we have seen in the highlights.
Have the wizard doctors looked at his medical reports?
Since wall has lower leg injuries for a while, we should have some highly experience connections relating to true long term prognosis of his medical reports? If Achiuwa is gone, Onyeka is next in line.

[Dat2U]

No Okoro....

Ok here's my final rankings
....

Tier 4
F Aaron Nesmith
G R.J. Hampton
G Anthony Edwards
C Precious Achiuwa
F Alexsej Pokusevski
F Obi Toppin
F Saddiq Bey
F Patrick Williams

Tier 5
G Malachi Flynn
F Issac Okoro
F Deni Avdija

Thanks!

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[badinage]

That Wolf Blitzer impersonator at the opening of the clip — yeah, not too anti-Semitic ...

[bsilver]

Best night of the year tonight. Can't wait!

Have no idea who the best pick at 9 will be, would be happy if Okungwu fell to us. But wouldn't want to give serious assets to drop down a few spots to pick him. Maybe for Wiseman, but not Okungwu.

In any case, hope picks tonight give some hope to improve defense and rebounding. I'm not a believer in BPA, because if there's one thing for sure, we have no idea who is actually the best player available at #9.

And wouldn't mind a trade down. Trouble is, if it works out well, PIF would never let us forget it.

C'mon man -- it's even easier for me if we don't make the trade. That way, later, I see which of the lower picks succeeds -- & those are the spots we should have traded into!!

Plus... it's so unfair that we can't come away with 10 rookies. The way I outline it above.

We all knew your secret, but you never would admit.

[Ruzious]

My draft predictions for the Zards:

#9 -- Isaac Okoro (assuming Okongwu is gone)
#37 -- Daniel Oturu (rebounds & rim protection)

The Zards will buy at least one second round pick. They'll use the pick to select either Cassius Winston or Immanuel Quickley.

We should have a separate thread on this - but I'm too lazy to start one.

I'll go with a trade down. Wiz trade the 9 and a future 2nd (unprotected!) to New Orleans for the 13 and 24th picks.

#13 -- Aaron Nesmith
#24 -- Man this was a hard one. It was down to TBey, Flynn and Pritchard, and I chose... to trade it for it for a future unprotected FRP - bottom 10 protected - so we don't get it unless it's 20 or higher, then move on to the next year with same bottom protection.
#37 -- drumb roll please... Udoka Azubuike - after those measurements, I gotta see what he can do in the NBA. And Tommy said we need to add size.

Fine - boo me.

[Ruzious]

Okongwu's injury is nothing serious - just a broken toe that requires 1 to 3 weeks of rest.

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Best night of the year tonight. Can't wait!

Have no idea who the best pick at 9 will be, would be happy if Okungwu fell to us. But wouldn't want to give serious assets to drop down a few spots to pick him. Maybe for Wiseman, but not Okungwu.

In any case, hope picks tonight give some hope to improve defense and rebounding. I'm not a believer in BPA, because if there's one thing for sure, we have no idea who is actually the best player available at #9.

And wouldn't mind a trade down. Trouble is, if it works out well, PIF would never let us forget it.

C'mon man -- it's even easier for me if we don't make the trade. That way, later, I see which of the lower picks succeeds -- & those are the spots we should have traded into!!

Plus... it's so unfair that we can't come away with 10 rookies. The way I outline it above.

We all knew your secret, but you never would admit.

I make fun of myself fairly often. How about you?

In fact, when I outline a way to get 10 rookies, that's what I'm doing: I'm making fun of myself. Or do you think I could come up with a way to to accommodate 10 rookies?

But, as with all such fun, there is a serious point -- or, at least I hope it's a serious point -- behind the joke.

Unfortunately, at the present moment, I am unable to recall that serious point. I don't remember what it was, ok? Is that some kind of big deal?

It is? Oh....
Well, ok... in that case, I apologize -- tho, I remind you, I don't know what I'm apologizing for. Now, if you do the same, we're even. I think.

[Rafael122]

Precious reminds me of Kenneth Faried. My one big issue with him is that he's unplayable down the stretch due to his poor free throw shooting. This screams "sub in after a stoppage in play for defense, sub out after a stoppage in play for offense" at least early on.

[doclinkin]

Oh well, if Saddiq Bey is going to philosophize on Plato's allegory of the cave, I don't want any other player on my team:

https://hoopshype.com/2020/10/27/nba-draft-best-shooters-saddiq-bey-interview-villanova-wildcats/


He's a Spurs player. No question. That's too perfect of a fit.

Okay I want Xavier Tillman and Saddiq Bey. That's it. I'd take him at 9 if Okongwu isn't there. Instant veteran basketball lifers who love the hardest parts of the game best.

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He doesn't fully explain Plato's allegory 100% correctly, but who cares? Change my vote -- draft the kid!

[doclinkin]

He doesn't fully explain Plato's allegory 100% correctly, but who cares? Change my vote -- draft the kid!

Nope but he uses it well for how it works for him. In terms of gaining perspective on the moment and seeing past stress. That is the proper use of philosophy, not nerd-fencing over concepts trying to score a touch.

[Ruzious]

Precious reminds me of Kenneth Faried. My one big issue with him is that he's unplayable down the stretch due to his poor free throw shooting. This screams "sub in after a stoppage in play for defense, sub out after a stoppage in play for offense" at least early on.

Much better defender than Faried. And I think he'll be a 70ish % FT shooter - not good but still playable.

[Ruzious]

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[long suffrin' boulez fan]

He doesn't fully explain Plato's allegory 100% correctly, but who cares? Change my vote -- draft the kid!

If the Wiz do draft him, do you think that, at fan appreciation day, he’ll explain Jaques Derrida to me?

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OTOH, can he do Wittgenstein when the chips are down & the game is on the line? Wittgenstein under pressure, that would tell me a lot.

I'm not just talking about "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent," the final proposition of the Tractatus. No, I mean the whole complex -- the way you set up the entire court: