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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

Post#321 » by tontoz » Sat Mar 1, 2025 2:33 am

Frichuela wrote:Our youngins need shooting reps big time, no doubt about it.



Bilal has been the most discouraging. Sarr and Kyshawn were in awful slumps early but have been hitting 3s at a decent rate for awhile.
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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

Post#322 » by gambitx777 » Sat Mar 1, 2025 8:33 am

tontoz wrote:
Frichuela wrote:Our youngins need shooting reps big time, no doubt about it.



Bilal has been the most discouraging. Sarr and Kyshawn were in awful slumps early but have been hitting 3s at a decent rate for awhile.
I think the guys are showing some moxy after Kuz is gone.

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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

Post#325 » by DCZards » Sat Mar 1, 2025 1:50 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
Frichuela wrote:Our youngins need shooting reps big time, no doubt about it.



Bilal has been the most discouraging. Sarr and Kyshawn were in awful slumps early but have been hitting 3s at a decent rate for awhile.
I think the guys are showing some moxy after Kuz is gone.

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This is especially true of Bilal who handles the ball a lot more now that Kuz is gone. Bilal has shown consistent improvement in his ability to attack the basket off the dribble.

Unfortunately, he often fails to finish when he gets there. That will come with experience, strength, and an improved short jumper.
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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

Post#326 » by closg00 » Sat Mar 1, 2025 1:59 pm

tontoz wrote:
Frichuela wrote:Our youngins need shooting reps big time, no doubt about it.



Bilal has been the most discouraging. Sarr and Kyshawn were in awful slumps early but have been hitting 3s at a decent rate for awhile.


Bilal is in the last year of his rookie contract next-season, I :pray: that we don't blow our nut and pickup his option early, I am leaning towards not picking up the option.
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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

Post#327 » by J-Ves » Sat Mar 1, 2025 2:05 pm

closg00 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
Frichuela wrote:Our youngins need shooting reps big time, no doubt about it.



Bilal has been the most discouraging. Sarr and Kyshawn were in awful slumps early but have been hitting 3s at a decent rate for awhile.


Bilal is in the last year of his rookie contract next-season, I :pray: that we don't blow our nut and pickup his option early, I am leaning towards not picking up the option.

Rookie contracts are 4 years, next year will be Bilal’s 3rd
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Post#328 » by closg00 » Sat Mar 1, 2025 3:06 pm

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closg00 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
Bilal has been the most discouraging. Sarr and Kyshawn were in awful slumps early but have been hitting 3s at a decent rate for awhile.


Bilal is in the last year of his rookie contract next-season, I :pray: that we don't blow our nut and pickup his option early, I am leaning towards not picking up the option.

Rookie contracts are 4 years, next year will be Bilal’s 3rd


The 2026 year is an option year for the team, if we don't exercise the option, 2025/26 will be his last season and we can see what the market is for him, what part of this am I not getting right? Thanks
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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

Post#329 » by nate33 » Sat Mar 1, 2025 3:13 pm

closg00 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
Frichuela wrote:Our youngins need shooting reps big time, no doubt about it.



Bilal has been the most discouraging. Sarr and Kyshawn were in awful slumps early but have been hitting 3s at a decent rate for awhile.


Bilal is in the last year of his rookie contract next-season, I :pray: that we don't blow our nut and pickup his option early, I am leaning towards not picking up the option.

Are you serious? You are praying that we opt out on his paltry $9.2M 4th year option and let him become an unrestricted free agent in 2026?

The guy is a 20-year-old athletic freak who can handle and pass, loves to play defense, and has a good attitude and work ethic. I think he is easily the most valuable player on the roster, factoring age, upside potential and contract. Opting in on his 4th year is an absolute no-brainer.
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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

Post#330 » by Frichuela » Sat Mar 1, 2025 3:35 pm

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
Bilal has been the most discouraging. Sarr and Kyshawn were in awful slumps early but have been hitting 3s at a decent rate for awhile.


Bilal is in the last year of his rookie contract next-season, I :pray: that we don't blow our nut and pickup his option early, I am leaning towards not picking up the option.

Are you serious? You are praying that we opt out on his paltry $9.2M 4th year option and let him become an unrestricted free agent in 2026?

The guy is a 20-year-old athletic freak who can handle and pass, loves to play defense, and has a good attitude and work ethic. I think he is easily the most valuable player on the roster, factoring age, upside potential and contract. Opting in on his 4th year is an absolute no-brainer.



100%. If all goes well, Bilal could be a solid 3rd option in a contending team. Shooting and strength when going to the rim are the keys here.
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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

Post#331 » by DCZards » Sat Mar 1, 2025 3:55 pm

nate33 wrote:The guy is a 20-year-old athletic freak who can handle and pass, loves to play defense, and has a good attitude and work ethic. I think he is easily the most valuable player on the roster, factoring age, upside potential and contract. Opting in on his 4th year is an absolute no-brainer.

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Post#332 » by J-Ves » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:04 pm

closg00 wrote:
J-Ves wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Bilal is in the last year of his rookie contract next-season, I :pray: that we don't blow our nut and pickup his option early, I am leaning towards not picking up the option.

Rookie contracts are 4 years, next year will be Bilal’s 3rd


The 2026 year is an option year for the team, if we don't exercise the option, 2025/26 will be his last season and we can see what the market is for him, what part of this am I not getting right? Thanks

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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

Post#333 » by closg00 » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:36 pm

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
Bilal has been the most discouraging. Sarr and Kyshawn were in awful slumps early but have been hitting 3s at a decent rate for awhile.


Bilal is in the last year of his rookie contract next-season, I :pray: that we don't blow our nut and pickup his option early, I am leaning towards not picking up the option.

Are you serious? You are praying that we opt out on his paltry $9.2M 4th year option and let him become an unrestricted free agent in 2026?

The guy is a 20-year-old athletic freak who can handle and pass, loves to play defense, and has a good attitude and work ethic. I think he is easily the most valuable player on the roster, factoring age, upside potential and contract. Opting in on his 4th year is an absolute no-brainer.


That's not what I meant at all which is why I am trying to understand what is the next deadline to decide on the next option, all I know/thought is that he is under contract through the next season. All I am saying is that I would wait until we see him next-season before pick-up his option, I would rather wait until the last moment.
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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

Post#334 » by dckingsfan » Sat Mar 1, 2025 5:18 pm

closg00 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:Bilal is in the last year of his rookie contract next-season, I :pray: that we don't blow our nut and pickup his option early, I am leaning towards not picking up the option.

Are you serious? You are praying that we opt out on his paltry $9.2M 4th year option and let him become an unrestricted free agent in 2026?

The guy is a 20-year-old athletic freak who can handle and pass, loves to play defense, and has a good attitude and work ethic. I think he is easily the most valuable player on the roster, factoring age, upside potential and contract. Opting in on his 4th year is an absolute no-brainer.

That's not what I meant at all which is why I am trying to understand what is the next deadline to decide on the next option, all I know/thought is that he is under contract through the next season. All I am saying is that I would wait until we see him next-season before pick-up his option, I would rather wait until the last moment.

Or trade him for a couple of FRPs?
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Post#335 » by dobrojim » Sat Mar 1, 2025 5:39 pm

The kid is 20 and has shown more than enough
promise to keep around at least another couple years.
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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

Post#336 » by J-Ves » Sat Mar 1, 2025 6:27 pm

closg00 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Bilal is in the last year of his rookie contract next-season, I :pray: that we don't blow our nut and pickup his option early, I am leaning towards not picking up the option.

Are you serious? You are praying that we opt out on his paltry $9.2M 4th year option and let him become an unrestricted free agent in 2026?

The guy is a 20-year-old athletic freak who can handle and pass, loves to play defense, and has a good attitude and work ethic. I think he is easily the most valuable player on the roster, factoring age, upside potential and contract. Opting in on his 4th year is an absolute no-brainer.


That's not what I meant at all which is why I am trying to understand what is the next deadline to decide on the next option, all I know/thought is that he is under contract through the next season. All I am saying is that I would wait until we see him next-season before pick-up his option, I would rather wait until the last moment.

I assume you are talking about his next long term contract? The deadline for a rookie extension for Bilal will be late October 2027, but even if they don’t sign him then he will be a restricted FA in the 2028 offseason meaning the Wiz have the ability to match any offer if they wish
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Post#337 » by nate33 » Sun Mar 2, 2025 12:56 am

J-Ves wrote:
closg00 wrote:
nate33 wrote:Are you serious? You are praying that we opt out on his paltry $9.2M 4th year option and let him become an unrestricted free agent in 2026?

The guy is a 20-year-old athletic freak who can handle and pass, loves to play defense, and has a good attitude and work ethic. I think he is easily the most valuable player on the roster, factoring age, upside potential and contract. Opting in on his 4th year is an absolute no-brainer.


That's not what I meant at all which is why I am trying to understand what is the next deadline to decide on the next option, all I know/thought is that he is under contract through the next season. All I am saying is that I would wait until we see him next-season before pick-up his option, I would rather wait until the last moment.

I assume you are talking about his next long term contract? The deadline for a rookie extension for Bilal will be late October 2027, but even if they don’t sign him then he will be a restricted FA in the 2028 offseason meaning the Wiz have the ability to match any offer if they wish

Yeah, it sounds like you might be conflating two different concepts, closg00.

Rookie contracts are technically 2-year contracts with 2 additional option years, but you typically have to decide on the option a full year before it is due.

So, in Summer 2024, at the start of his second season, we had already decided to opt in on his 3rd year, keeping him under contract through Summer 2026. And this summer, which will be the start of his 3rd season, we will certainly opt in on his 4th year, which will mean he is under contract through Summer 2027.

In Summer 2026, we will also have the ability to negotiate an extension on his second contract, a contract that wouldn't start until Summer 2027. I think that's what you are talking about. You are suggesting not to commit to a long term second contract a year early. Instead, we should actually wait until Summer 2027 to make the decision.

My opinion on that is "it depends". Typically, teams start early on negotiating long term extensions because they are offering long term security and in return they are expecting a modest salary discount from the player. I think the idea makes sense provided the "discount" ceded by Bilal's people is worth it. There's also a chance that we could end up with a Deni Avdija situation where we lock in a long term deal and then Bilal breaks out in his 4th season AFTER he has already a relatively low-cost long term deal, making him a long term bargain.
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Re: How Concerned — or Alarmed — Should We Be? 

Post#338 » by payitforward » Sun Mar 2, 2025 3:04 pm

Not to mention that the value of having a quality player "locked in" at a sub-market cost is increased by the flexibility it gives you in managing the rest of the roster.

Hmmm... not to steal this thread, but the above point has been a key part of nate's objection to the Deni trade, & in fairness I haven't given it enough weight.

Obviously, we might turn the draft assets we received into even more value, but that's subject to all the unpredictabilities of draft processes. In the mean time, if we keep Deni we get other options in roster management.

They can't be calculated now either. But they are there -- despite not being part of the specific value calculus of the trade.

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