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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#321 » by yungal07 » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:02 pm

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Ricky Rubio, Youngest Pro-Ready Player Ever. 17 years old


More ready to play pro than Lebron was at 17? I'll believe it when I see it.


I said Youngest, not best. Rubio was playing pro-ball at 15, the youngest in pro-basetball history, LeBron was drafted at 18.


that's deceiving. i guarantee Lebron could have been competing in that league at 13 years old.
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#322 » by Wisedude42 » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:10 pm

Some folks have been saying they have a problem with Jamison being an undersized PF. This is ludicrous. Jamison, Butler and Arenas are the 3 main reasons the Wiz are a playoff team. Without Jamison, the Wiz are not a playoff team and have no chance going further. Arenas would not sign wothout Jamison - what does that tell you? Not to draft Arthur b/c he is too much like Jamison? If every GM in the league would know with a crystal ball that Arthur would be the same productive player as Jamison, he would have been a top 5 pick.

You can have all the 7'0" journeyman B. Haywood's you want. I'll take the All-Star player any day. Noone knows how McGee will turn out except all know is totally raw in every basketball aspect.
Also the pick was made b/c Grunfeld and Jordan are totally desparate for a center. Only time will tell how it all turns out.
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Post#323 » by doclinkin » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:10 pm

Early returns on Bigger McGee are favorable:

Mike Jones of the Moonie Times wrote:JaVale McGee showed off his amazing length and freakish athleticism, going down the lane from the foul line in one step while catching a lob from Dee Brown and easily laying it in. Later he caught a pass on the perimeter, put the ball on the floor and blew baseline past Brendan Haywood for a reverse dunk. And a short time later he stuffed Etan Thomas who was going up under the hoop.


And other quotes back this up. Looks like JvMcG could steal all of Opec's garbage minutes in any game where enough players are injured and the Big Kid is active.

And on the O-ffical site, his Rookie Vlog is boring enough that all the rookie pranks and distractions may be at a minimum. Or maybe Nick will still be the victim. Link to follow.
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#324 » by dobrojim » Thu Oct 2, 2008 5:26 pm

Wisedude42 wrote:Some folks have been saying they have a problem with Jamison being an undersized PF. This is ludicrous. Jamison, Butler and Arenas are the 3 main reasons the Wiz are a playoff team. Without Jamison, the Wiz are not a playoff team and have no chance going further. Arenas would not sign wothout Jamison - what does that tell you? Not to draft Arthur b/c he is too much like Jamison? If every GM in the league would know with a crystal ball that Arthur would be the same productive player as Jamison, he would have been a top 5 pick.

You can have all the 7'0" journeyman B. Haywood's you want. I'll take the All-Star player any day. Noone knows how McGee will turn out except all know is totally raw in every basketball aspect.
Also the pick was made b/c Grunfeld and Jordan are totally desparate for a center. Only time will tell how it all turns out.


gotta pick on this for a number of reasons

the issue with Jamison has always been that he's a bit of a tweener. No
one minds the outstanding production he gives us on the boards and getting
buckets. But realistically, he can be physically overmatched as a PF. So it's
not unreasonable to wish for a more athletically studly player. Duh that if
the GMs had a crystal ball that said Arthur =/~ Jamison, he'd be a top 5 or better.

B Haywood in point of fact, is not a journeyman. He's played for exactly ONE NBA
team. Perhaps you meant role-player which would be more accurate. RE the reasons
which might have led EG to pick McGee, maybe he simply thought he had the most
upside of the players on the board. I seriously doubt it was because he was
"desperate" for a C. Haywood is more than adequate especially when considering
his contract. It's possible that EG was looking down the road for when BH might
leave the team and hoping McGee might be ready by then. But thinking a year or
2 ahead is not usually described as being desperate. Foresighted perhaps.
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#325 » by ZonkertheBrainless » Thu Oct 2, 2008 5:39 pm

Picking at the high teens, you basically have a chance to pick up a mediocre player who fills a need but you know ahead of time will never be a starter, or you can take a chance on someone who might develop into a starter or might flop right out of the league (Peter John Ramos, e.g.).

EG apparently believes that backups and known quantities are easy enough to pick up as free agents, and that starters are next to impossible to get good value of through trades, so the only way to really get a starting player on the cheap is to take big chances in the draft.

If you had a chance at making five picks for Jacque Vaughn equivalent players, or five picks, four of which are worthless washouts, and one pick was Gilbert Arenas, which pick would you make?
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#326 » by doclinkin » Thu Oct 2, 2008 6:29 pm

ZonkertheBrainless wrote:Picking at the high teens, you basically have a chance to pick up a mediocre player who fills a need but you know ahead of time will never be a starter, or you can take a chance on someone who might develop into a starter or might flop right out of the league (Peter John Ramos, e.g.).

EG apparently believes that backups and known quantities are easy enough to pick up as free agents, and that starters are next to impossible to get good value of through trades, so the only way to really get a starting player on the cheap is to take big chances in the draft.

If you had a chance at making five picks for Jacque Vaughn equivalent players, or five picks, four of which are worthless washouts, and one pick was Gilbert Arenas, which pick would you make?


Ernie has essentially said this is in fact his draft philosophy.
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Post#327 » by W. Unseld » Sat Oct 4, 2008 8:36 pm

Went to the Wizards scrimmage in Richmond on Friday. McGhee didn't do much through the first 3 quarters. Then for the 4th quarter they put 5 and a half minutes on the board and put the starters down by 6 (frankly I think they were down by 6 anyway). McGhee put on a display at that point, if memory serves he went 4 for 5 that quarter and was too much for Etan even when he didn't score. He showed range on his j, smarts to know when to use the glass, hops and he was blowing past some people. He wasn't terrible on defense, he had some blocks and knocked some balls away from dribblers, but he pays too much defense w/his hands and not enough w/his feet. Still, I was very pleased w/what I saw of him in the 4th quarter drill. The second team ended up extending the lead in the 4th quarter over the starters and the starters never really threatened. (Antawn was out and when the lead got out of hand they pulled Caron).
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Post#328 » by closg00 » Sun Oct 5, 2008 2:32 am

W. Unseld wrote:Went to the Wizards scrimmage in Richmond on Friday. McGhee didn't do much through the first 3 quarters. Then for the 4th quarter they put 5 and a half minutes on the board and put the starters down by 6 (frankly I think they were down by 6 anyway). McGhee put on a display at that point, if memory serves he went 4 for 5 that quarter and was too much for Etan even when he didn't score. He showed range on his j, smarts to know when to use the glass, hops and he was blowing past some people. He wasn't terrible on defense, he had some blocks and knocked some balls away from dribblers, but he pays too much defense w/his hands and not enough w/his feet. Still, I was very pleased w/what I saw of him in the 4th quarter drill. The second team ended up extending the lead in the 4th quarter over the starters and the starters never really threatened. (Antawn was out and when the lead got out of hand they pulled Caron).


Appreciate the first-hand account :rocking:
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Post#329 » by doclinkin » Mon Oct 6, 2008 1:51 pm

Wash Times article on JVMcG:

Jordan and his staff have given McGee a concise to-do list.

"Knowing the defensive spacing when he has to help, pick-and-roll defense, transition both ways running the floor," Jordan said. "Right now that's it. We're not looking for him to get touches in the post, although it's going to happen, but we want him to get the defensive system down first."

Although his coaches are working to ensure a smooth transition, it doesn't mean McGee doesn't feel a sense of urgency.

"There's always pressure," McGee said. "I feel like any time I'm in the game, I should be able to grab a rebound, block a shot or even just change someone's shot. So there's always pressure."

That's a big part of why McGee has pushed himself so hard in conditioning and in learning the system. After Saturday's practice, which ended with McGee's gray T-shirt soaked with sweat, the center remained on the court to work on the post-up baseline fadeaway jumper that Patrick Ewing was so successful knocking down during his storied career.

And his hard work has been noticed by McGee's teammates as well as the coaches.

"I think he's doing it," captain Caron Butler said. "He's out there working hard and getting better in all aspects of the game. I saw a drastic improvement from summer league until training camp, and I think it's only going to get better because he's willing to work."


If the kid gets his defensive fundamentals down he'll find offense just off hustle and huge-ity. Seems like the right priority via the Development staff. I'd guess he pushes for actual spot-minutes this year, situational, not just garbage..
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#330 » by fugop » Mon Oct 6, 2008 4:29 pm

This kid makes me feel good.
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#331 » by nate33 » Mon Oct 6, 2008 4:46 pm

We could be pretty sick in the future if Young, Blatche and McGee pan out to their best-case scenarios. Nick Young could be Rip Hamiltion with hops. Blatche could be KG-lite. McGee could be Tyson Chandler with a jumper. Put those 3 guys alongside Arenas and Butler and you've got something pretty scary.

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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#332 » by daSwami » Wed Oct 8, 2008 3:16 am

McGee reminds me of Jared Jeffries.
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#333 » by closg00 » Wed Oct 8, 2008 9:42 am

daSwami wrote:McGee reminds me of Jared Jeffries.


Noooo, don't say that. When all you hear about McGee is about his athleticism, you know were in for a long wait. On the other hand, with AJ going down, McGee might see some scrub minutes out there this year, then next year send him to D-League full-time.
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Post#334 » by doclinkin » Wed Oct 8, 2008 11:39 am

I dunno, JaVale looked waaay ahead of where I thought he'd be. He'll be inconsistent like any rookie, but the coaching staff has a good plan for his development: concentrate on defense and you'll see minutes. His offense looks good from the jump. You hear about his athleticism just because of how remarkable it is, but as far as offensive skill is concerned he's already way ahead of raw talent phenoms like Dwight Howard. He just needs to learn to play Big. Weight room work will help, right now he seems a little timid, scared of the paint on defense. He'll soon see he's got nothing to be scared of.
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Post#335 » by jholmbe1 » Wed Oct 8, 2008 12:59 pm

What impressed me the most about Javale is that when you watch him move out on the court he looks more like a 6'7 small forward. I had to keep reminding myself that he is a 7 foot center, he has ridiculous athleticism.
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Post#336 » by closg00 » Wed Oct 8, 2008 1:41 pm

LOL, by the time his rookie contract is up, we won't be able to afford to keep him.
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Post#337 » by Douglar! » Wed Oct 8, 2008 1:42 pm

It's great and all that McGee can play like a SF and stuff. The only problem is that the Wizards need a big man that can play in the paint, not another rookie that acts out fantasies of being an oversized wing. Is there someone on the coaching staff who tries to teach all of the rookies to play small or does the front office continually looking for the perfect jumpshooting big man?
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Post#338 » by LyricalRico » Wed Oct 8, 2008 2:52 pm

Douglar! wrote:It's great and all that McGee can play like a SF and stuff. The only problem is that the Wizards need a big man that can play in the paint, not another rookie that acts out fantasies of being an oversized wing. Is there someone on the coaching staff who tries to teach all of the rookies to play small or does the front office continually looking for the perfect jumpshooting big man?


Bingo. It doesn't matter how much potential a player has if there's nobody there showing him how to play like a big man. All this talk about versatility doesn't change the fact that this team is best when an old-fashioned big like Haywood is in the middle. But are they trying to get their other bigs to play that way? No, they want them on the perimeter guarding the other team's superstar.
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#339 » by SumTingWong » Thu Oct 9, 2008 2:06 pm

I know it's just the pre-season and it was against Memphis but his stat line yesterday was certainly encouraging.

In 27 minutes, he was 8/12 from the field, with 8 boards, 3 blocks, and just 2 TOs for a team leading 20 points! He does need to work on his free throws though, he was a pedestrian 4/8 from the charity stripe.

I didn't see the game so I don't know if this was just a case of playing well against scrubs but any way you shake it this aint bad for a rookie we weren't expecting much from.

Maybe, just maybe, we may have lucked into something special with this kid.
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#340 » by yungal07 » Thu Oct 9, 2008 4:48 pm

He has two things that will bode well for him in the future: a high motor (good work ethic from what we've heard from the coaching staff) and ridiculous athletic ability/length.

It also seems he has the skillset of Pech mixed with the athletic ability and fluidity of Andray. If AB and JM pan out, this is going to be an excellent frontline. Maybe not the bulkiest, but as far as talent, length, and court speed - we could challenge anyone.

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