What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick?

[miller31time]

How would you guys feel about a deal centered around #5 + DeShawn for Speights + #17. Lou Williams could be added for Songalia if needed.

I'd be very interested in 5+Songaila+Stevenson for Williams+Speights+17.

Yeah, but Philly wouldn't be.

[FreeBalling]

I'm in the camp of NO to letting Mcgee go, He's got way to much upside at the 5 spot. The kid runs with the team in the fast break, he plays above the rim like no one on this team. He's going to be our next center after Haywood leaves or moves to the 2nd team.

I can't say no enough. I'll be so pissed off if he is traded for a PG. Good big men are very hard to find.

I'm OK with Blatche and the 5th for Rubio and maybe the 2nd as a swap or Opec

Bosh still looks like the best option to help right now. I just hope Abe will spend the money to win a title.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

Im curious. Why do Wiz fans want Rubio? You wanna slide Arenas to the 2?

Just a little surprised you're so high on him.

[WizarDynasty]

Im curious. Why do Wiz fans want Rubio? You wanna slide Arenas to the 2?

Just a little surprised you're so high on him.

Because Arenas loves to shoots. He spends day and night practicing his shooting. His nickname is agent zero cuz he is an assassin from behind the arc and he is better at guarding 2 guards than point guards.
We will get rubio because memphis is willing to waste their 1st round pick and the wizards have the assets to compensate memphis for sliding down only one spot.

[FreeBalling]

Im curious. Why do Wiz fans want Rubio? You wanna slide Arenas to the 2?

Just a little surprised you're so high on him.

Because Arenas loves to shoots. He spends day and night practicing his shooting. His nickname is agent zero cuz he is an assassin from behind the arc and he is better at guarding 2 guards than point guards.
We will get rubio because memphis is willing to waste their 1st round pick and the wizards have the assets to compensate memphis for sliding down only one spot.

I'm sure this was asked before by someone else, I just dont know the answer.

Rubio has a 7 mill dollar buy out, NBA teams can only pay 500,000 leaving 6.5 Mill.

The 4th spot is going to pay 3.6 Mill

How does all of this work out?

[MJG]

Im curious. Why do Wiz fans want Rubio? You wanna slide Arenas to the 2?

Just a little surprised you're so high on him.

Because Arenas loves to shoots. He spends day and night practicing his shooting. His nickname is agent zero cuz he is an assassin from behind the arc and he is better at guarding 2 guards than point guards.
We will get rubio because memphis is willing to waste their 1st round pick and the wizards have the assets to compensate memphis for sliding down only one spot.

I'm sure this was asked before by someone else, I just dont know the answer.

Rubio has a 7 mill dollar buy out, NBA teams can only pay 500,000 leaving 6.5 Mill.

The 4th spot is going to pay 3.6 Mill

How does all of this work out?

He was hoping endorsements would be enough to cover the difference between his salary and the buyout.

[Rafael122]

You don't make money off your first contract anyway.

I'm sure he'll work out some sort of payment plan. Maybe something like $1.5 million over the course of 4 years. That way Rubio isn't playing for free.

[BigA]

He was hoping endorsements would be enough to cover the difference between his salary and the buyout.

Plus, I think I read he will be able to pay it off over the length of his rookie deal. Plus, I can't believe that the total amount won't be negotiated down somewhat.

[pancakes3]

Yeah we are not trading mcgee...his attitude alone makes him central to our future.

quite a turnaround from mcgee being a rail thin, no arsed, pushover who barely deserves to play in the d-league to being the cornerstone of our future front line.

i'm not bashing you, i'm just glad to see that deep down, people can change.

[WizarDynasty]

Yeah we are not trading mcgee...his attitude alone makes him central to our future.

quite a turnaround from mcgee being a rail thin, no arsed, pushover who barely deserves to play in the d-league to being the cornerstone of our future front line.

i'm not bashing you, i'm just glad to see that deep down, people can change.

Sanders has alot of experience coaching successful offensive bigmen--Sander can immediate say.."This is what i taught Garnett and he immediately has Blatche and McGee's respect. Cassel easily boosts Nick Young Basketball IQ so we definitely don't trade Nick Young. I also think Cassels boosts Critten IQ as well. EJ did not. The biggest longterm problem we have is that 6'5 non athletic Butler is logging heavy minutes at front court position on defense for the next three years and he is non athletic and management doesn't see this as a problem. Hopefully Saunders looks for his Tayshaun Prince in this draft or acquiring his Tayshaun prince in a trade. McGee is way better than Thabeet and has a way higher basketball IQ. Our problem right now is that we have an undersized front line with Butler and Jamison. i do feel confident in McGee's work ethic and attitude and that's the intangible that allows him to be superstar. I think McGee's work ethic makes Blatche more valuable because they are workout partners and force each other to get better sense both are athletic with high basketball IQ's and both can play p/f center. Blatche and McGee are both held back because neither are coordinated when..." and can't get high off the ground when"...and can't absorb force and still finish when... jumping off one leg on an offensive move. If they can find a world class trainer to dramatically improve this dimension of their game..then we have best front court in eastern conference. I think Blatche has been trying but ran into ankle problems attempting to improve this dimension. and McGee with two years undersaunders gives us the most talented front court in the east as long as the player manning the s/f position isn't 6'5 without shoes and non athletic and is a horrible 3Pt shooter. Also if there is magical way for both of them to train to get high lift on one leg jumps when attempting offensive moves. Obviously McGee has to improve his lateral quickness but i saw signs of that towards the end of the season.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

That McGee + #5 for #3 trade will never happen. I'm not in the slightest bit worried. EG isn't an idiot.

I'm not so sure he isn't.

I like his eye for talent.

However, when it comes to overpaying guys and when it comes to going for potential (What will Rubio do in the next year or two for this struggling franchise?) and not regarding chemistry (What type of dude is Rubio?). (He should have also seen that Nick Young might not grasp many facets of the game too quickly IMO).

I think he let Tapscott do a bunch of dumb stuff.

I think the contracts of Daniels, Songaila, Stevenson, Arenas, and Jamison weren't as good as they could have been. Overall, I'd give Grunfeld a C- or a D for paying too much and negotiating against himself.

As for the draft Blatche was a hit where he was drafted. How about Pecherov and Young? Millsap alone would have been better than what Ernie did.

Also, on EJ getting fired: Outside of Andray, who did Grunfeld trade or draft that could play a lick of defense. McGee couldn't and we predicted as much on draft night. Well, I will give EG credit for McGuire and Stevenson being adequate defenders. HOWEVER, Ernie never got the defensive PF to break into Caron/Jamison getting killed by Cleveland year by year.

THE REASON I'M ALL OVER GRUNFELD RIGHT NOW is the talk about (more of the same) Jordan Hill being his pick, along with him (reportedly) trying to get Rubio or Thabeet at the expense of McGee and the pick.

Give me a break!

DCZards: I'd have held Grunfeld just as responsible or moreso for the Wizards 19-63 as Eddie. Thibs was a hire that should have happened. EG and Tapscott looked bad to me all season long. Ernie should have MADE EJ AND ED TAPSCOTT STOP PLAYING JAMISON, ARENAS, AND BUTLER TOO MANY MINUTES! The fact that Tapscott did the same thing EJ did, I put it on the GM.

Ernie Grunfeld has been no savior. This team won 19 freaking games last year.

[P'Oed]

If this rumor is true then it sounds like Ernie had quite the temper tantrum after the lottery. Seriously, he sounds like a sore lottery loser...if there is such a thing. Sure, EVERYONE wanted Griffin. The guy would've changed the franchise and we should all be pissed that the stars (or ping pong balls) didn't align. But now, all of the sudden we want to move up and grab RUBIO?! Where the hell did that come from? For all we know Ty Lawson could be just as effective driving the lane freeing up shooters to drop dimes to. Moving Gil to the 2 and grabbing a good PG, in MY opinion, is a much easier thing to accomplish right now than fixing the absolute mess in our frontcourt. Don't throw away a fairly attractive pick to grab someone that, number one, is an absolute wildcard (even more so than McGee...I mean at least we got to see McGee play for a year) and, number two, isn't really even necessary. Try to move up to get Griffin and then I won't roll my eyes...



Also, anybody think this might be a stunt to pump up Rubio and make the dumbest organization in the league bite? In other words, the Clippers allow everyone to make them think that Rubio is the smart choice and the Wizards swoop into that #2 spot to take Griffin. I know it sounds insanely (Please Use More Appropriate Word) but remember we're talking about the Clippers here.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

P'Oed, I wouldn't be surprised if Lawson's more effective right now.

[WizarDynasty]

P'Oed, I wouldn't be surprised if Lawson's more effective right now.

yeah but rubio being 6'3 versus 5'11 lawson and lawson doesn't have a 38 inch vertical like chris paul.

[Higga]

I don't mind giving up McGee for Rubio but for THABEET? Hell **** no.

[the_bruce]

P'Oed, I wouldn't be surprised if Lawson's more effective right now.

yeah but rubio being 6'3 versus 5'11 lawson and lawson doesn't have a 38 inch vertical like chris paul.

lawson has a 35-36 inch vert. hes no slouch

[fishercob]

Why is everyone trashing Grunfeld as if this story were fact? If a trade goes down, trash away. But recognize this for what it is -- media BS.

[WizarDynasty]

Lawson doesn't have a one legged 38 vertical which is what allowed chris paul to be effective at 5"11

Big difference on offense jumping off one leg and getting 38inches versus needing both legs to get to 38 inches on offense

[DaRealHibachi]

So first it's bowleggedness and lateral quickness, then height and wingspan, then clutchness and now it's 1 legged vs 2 legged vertical...???

What's next...???

[Tiago]

P'Oed, I wouldn't be surprised if Lawson's more effective right now.

Right now, Lawson is a better player than Rubio in almost every aspects, he's stronger, faster, better shooter than Rubio, other aspects such as passing and basketball IQ will become difficult to compare because they're inserted in different competitions, but from what I watched on TV, and watched many games of both players, they've a good basketball IQ which is reflected, in some way, in the quality of the pass. I don't need to talk about defense, everyone knows that rubio is very poor defensively, which is not the case with Lawson.